Electric Cars

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

I'm not saying there isn't something to that. I'm saying that you're acting like they wear out in 15k miles, when in reality it's like 30-40k vs. 40-50k. And the fuel savings, oil change savings, brake pad/rotor savings MORE than make up for that. If you're suggesting the reason you aren't going to get an electric car is because the tires may wear a bit faster, I'd argue that's a stupid reason.

Thought I would do an update on this. My wife hit 52,000 miles and her tires finally needed replacing. Spent some time doing research and while there are a few tires that were specifically designed with EVs in mind, I was a little surprised to find out that there's not really a thing as an "EV tire". Softer tires, especially winter tires, can impact the overall range of the vehicle. I was mostly concerned with replicating the performance of her OM tires, Michelin energy saver, without having to spend $230 per tire. Did a ton of research and a lot of forums dealing with this topic were recommending Nexen N5000 Platinums for the Bolt; about half the cost. Ended up being like $650 for a set of four (installed), which was really nothing compared to the $1100 the Michelins were going to cost. So far she seems to have experienced a slight range boost of a few miles at the end of the day, which is great. And all reviews suggest these are better in snow/rain than the OM tires.

Should also note, at 50k miles we have yet to see any significant battery degradation. The battery is still showing full range at 100% charge.

So at 52,000 miles our only maintenance cost so far has been $650 tires, which is about what we'd pay at that mileage on an ICE vehicle. Brakes look brand new. If you consider the 8-9 oil changes we haven't had to do, that's nearing $1000 we've saved so far on oil changes alone.

 

[dikowt dowg]

Thought I would do an update on this. My wife hit 52,000 miles and her tires finally needed replacing. Spent some time doing research and while there are a few tires that were specifically designed with EVs in mind, I was a little surprised to find out that there's not really a thing as an "EV tire". Softer tires, especially winter tires, can impact the overall range of the vehicle. I was mostly concerned with replicating the performance of her OM tires, Michelin energy saver, without having to spend $230 per tire. Did a ton of research and a lot of forums dealing with this topic were recommending Nexen N5000 Platinums for the Bolt; about half the cost. Ended up being like $650 for a set of four (installed), which was really nothing compared to the $1100 the Michelins were going to cost. So far she seems to have experienced a slight range boost of a few miles at the end of the day, which is great. And all reviews suggest these are better in snow/rain than the OM tires.

Should also note, at 50k miles we have yet to see any significant battery degradation. The battery is still showing full range at 100% charge.

So at 52,000 miles our only maintenance cost so far has been $650 tires, which is about what we'd pay at that mileage on an ICE vehicle. Brakes look brand new. If you consider the 8-9 oil changes we haven't had to do, that's nearing $1000 we've saved so far on oil changes alone.

I think Michelin's are the best tires made. I doubt I would have switched.

 

[Deep Dish Pizza Goat]

Should also note, at 50k miles we have yet to see any significant battery degradation. The battery is still showing full range at 100% charge.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

I think Michelin's are the best tires made. I doubt I would have switched.

The problem with them is that they're super slick in the snow. Not ideal for a small little car like that and Michigan winters. The new tires we got are supposed to be better in both rain and snow, and at half the cost it was a bit of a no brainer so long as we didn't lose range out of it. Both are rated to 50k miles.

 

[fordman84]

Thought I would do an update on this. My wife hit 52,000 miles and her tires finally needed replacing. Spent some time doing research and while there are a few tires that were specifically designed with EVs in mind, I was a little surprised to find out that there's not really a thing as an "EV tire". Softer tires, especially winter tires, can impact the overall range of the vehicle. I was mostly concerned with replicating the performance of her OM tires, Michelin energy saver, without having to spend $230 per tire. Did a ton of research and a lot of forums dealing with this topic were recommending Nexen N5000 Platinums for the Bolt; about half the cost. Ended up being like $650 for a set of four (installed), which was really nothing compared to the $1100 the Michelins were going to cost. So far she seems to have experienced a slight range boost of a few miles at the end of the day, which is great. And all reviews suggest these are better in snow/rain than the OM tires.

Should also note, at 50k miles we have yet to see any significant battery degradation. The battery is still showing full range at 100% charge.

So at 52,000 miles our only maintenance cost so far has been $650 tires, which is about what we'd pay at that mileage on an ICE vehicle. Brakes look brand new. If you consider the 8-9 oil changes we haven't had to do, that's nearing $1000 we've saved so far on oil changes alone.

Is the ride any noisier or stiffer with the new tires on it? That has been my issue with veering away from Michelin for road vehicles.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

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I'm not sure if you're taking a shot or not -- but to explain what that means, the Bolt shows predicted max and min ranges, with an average in the middle. At 100% in decent weather that's about 247 miles. As the battery degrades, at 100% that number drops. So it will go down to 245, for example. Then into th 230's. Our is still at 247, meaning we haven't lost any maximum battery range yet.

 

[Deep Dish Pizza Goat]

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I'm not sure if you're taking a shot or not -- but to explain what that means, the Bolt shows predicted max and min ranges, with an average in the middle. At 100% in decent weather that's about 247 miles. As the battery degrades, at 100% that number drops. So it will go down to 245, for example. Then into th 230's. Our is still at 247, meaning we haven't lost any maximum battery range yet.

Just saying it’s incredible that you’ve driven the thing to half it’s warranty and seen zero degradation on a multi thousand pound object when an iPhone can’t go a month without losing at least 1% of its capacity.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Is the ride any noisier or stiffer with the new tires on it? That has been my issue with veering away from Michelin for road vehicles.

The actual cabin noise seems to be about equal. I haven't noticed a difference if there is one. I think because of the weight of the little car the actual drive is always a bit stiff, again nothing noticeably different that I've seen.

 

[fordman84]

Just saying it’s incredible that you’ve driven the thing to half it’s warranty and seen zero degradation on a multi thousand pound object when an iPhone can’t go a month without losing at least 3% of its capacity.

Eh, it's a calculation. My truck has a gas engine and does the same. I've driven my truck (admittedly right to a gas station) when it has an estimated remaining miles at 0 more than once.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Just saying it’s incredible that you’ve driven the thing to half it’s warranty and seen zero degradation on a multi thousand pound object when an iPhone can’t go a month without losing at least 1% of its capacity.

Unlike Teslas, the bolt doesn't offer granular battery metrics. So it's very likely it has lost some performance, it's just not showing up in the range estimates. And from what I understand, GM puts a buffer into usable battery capacity so that you don't actually see the top 5% or something like that. So we probably have lost some, but it's within that range where it's not impacting our range yet.

IE when the bolt shows 0% range it's actually not not fully drained. I think it's to protect the battery from extremes (100% and 0%) that ultimately impact longevity

 

[Deep Dish Pizza Goat]

And from what I understand, GM puts a buffer into usable battery capacity so that you don't actually see the top 5% or something like that. So we probably have lost some, but it's within that range where it's not impacting our range yet.

Smells like a lawsuit.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Smells like a lawsuit.

I think it's a pretty common EV thing to protect the longevity of the battery. It prevents draining to full 0 or charging to full 100. Your usable 0-100 is actually like 2%-97%.

 

[Dolemite censored]

I wonder when Tesla shareholders will sue Musk for not attending to Tesla business and inciting a backlash against the brand negatively affecting sales and share prices.

 

[ill]

I wonder when Tesla shareholders will sue Musk for not attending to Tesla business and inciting a backlash against the brand negatively affecting sales and share prices.

they are probably still reeling a bit from the last settlement...although that is just a drop in the bucket for Musk

Tesla board will return more than $900M in shareholder settlement

A Delaware court approved the deal to settle a complaint accusing the automaker’s directors of overpaying themselves for several years.

www.legaldive.com

 

[Dolemite censored]

Musk makes a play for the MAGA crowd, since the left is torching Teslas.

President Donald Trump buys new Tesla alongside Elon Musk

President Donald Trump shopped for a new Tesla on the White House driveway on Tuesday, selecting a shiny red sedan to show his support for Elon Musk 's electric vehicle company as it faces blowback because of his work to advance the president's political agenda and downsize the federal...

www.fox13seattle.com

 

[ill]

Musk makes a play for the MAGA crowd, since the left is torching Teslas.

President Donald Trump buys new Tesla alongside Elon Musk

President Donald Trump shopped for a new Tesla on the White House driveway on Tuesday, selecting a shiny red sedan to show his support for Elon Musk 's electric vehicle company as it faces blowback because of his work to advance the president's political agenda and downsize the federal...

www.fox13seattle.com

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the left has moved away from Tesla since Musk went MAGA. It only makes sense for Trump to do what he can to help his friend make more money...it's what he does.

are you all on the right good with EVs now?

 

[beardown07]

the left has moved away from Tesla since Musk went MAGA. It only makes sense for Trump to do what he can to help his friend make more money...it's what he does.

are you all on the right good with EVs now?

About as much as I was all in on "Trump's" vaccine.


Your projection is duly noted tho. (Hint: Shitlibs are the ones that follow marching orders and buy into bullshit)

 

[ill]

About as much as I was all in on "Trump's" vaccine.


Your projection is duly noted tho. (Hint: Shitlibs are the ones that follow marching orders and buy into bullshit)

what projection?

I am just wondering if the right is going to flip flop on EVs now that their great leader and his lapdog are in the White House...

 

[beardown07]

what projection?

I am just wondering if the right is going to flip flop on EVs now that their great leader and his lapdog are in the White House...

I quite literally spelled out the projection, and now you've doubled down on it.

 

[dikowt dowg]

what projection?

I am just wondering if the right is going to flip flop on EVs now that their great leader and his lapdog are in the White House...

It's the left who bought EV's and the left who is now trying to rid the earth of tesla's anyways. The right laughs at the left for messing up the shit other lefties bought. Conservatives still continue to support all forms of energy with the lions share of that support towards the type of energy that does the heavy lifting.