Have to cancel our Christmas Eve party.

[Red_Alert]

you don't take being corrected well, do you?

Actually you don't read very well. I said I don't get the common cold. I don't remember the last time I had one.
That means I must have some immunity from corona viruses.
I also pointed out that there is no vaccine for the common cold corona virus.

Now go away, idiot. You're a bad pet owner.

 

[Peter Gozintite]

 

[DraftNerd]

it is a challenge

A Guide to Global COVID-19 Vaccine Efforts

The swift development of effective vaccines against COVID-19 was an unprecedented scientific achievement. But production challenges, vaccine nationalism, and new variants have all presented hurdles.

www.cfr.org

I’ve read this exact article. This is a problem.

Omni is an example. This didn’t originate in South Africa. It was sequenced and identified as a new variant by the South Africans. Because….they have been doing this shit for decades with how nasty viruses spread like crazy down there.

So….they identified it (thank you SA) and the response, both in the media and official policy was to travel ban them. Some thanks……

Reality was that once they identified it the horse was already out of the barn and this thing was spreading everywhere.

We don’t reduce these variants from occurring with travel bans and hoarding vaccines.

 

[White Knight]

but it still exists...and that doesn't mean the original strains aren't still out there. A new strain does not mean the old ones are being replaced.

Yes it still exists and probably always will.

 

[ill]

Actually you don't read very well. I said I don't get the common cold. I don't remember the last time I had one.
That means I must have some immunity from corona viruses.
I also pointed out that there is no vaccine for the common cold corona virus.

Now go away, idiot. You're a bad pet owner.

why do I care what YOU get

I am correcting you in that the common cold is not a coronavirus, as you claimed

 

[ill]

Yes it still exists and probably always will.

good thing we are working towards making it less of a thing in the future.

 

[ill]

I’ve read this exact article. This is a problem.

Omni is an example. This didn’t originate in South Africa. It was sequenced and identified as a new variant by the South Africans. Because….they have been doing this shit for decades with how nasty viruses spread like crazy down there.

So….they identified it (thank you SA) and the response, both in the media and official policy was to travel ban them. Some thanks……

Reality was that once they identified it the horse was already out of the barn and this thing was spreading everywhere.

We don’t reduce these variants from occurring with travel bans and hoarding vaccines.

I agree, it is an issue that needs to be solved...and efforts are being made.

We might be dealing with this for 5 yrs and it gradually get better and better as we progress...it's not a snap your finger, and it's gone kind of thing.

 

[White Knight]

good thing we are working towards making it less of a thing in the future.

The virus will mutate into less of a thing without our help.

 

[DraftNerd]

I agree, it is an issue that needs to be solved...and efforts are being made.

We might be dealing with this for 5 yrs and it gradually get better and better as we progress...it's not a snap your finger, and it's gone kind of thing.

That’s a common truth I think for most. It’s not going away fast. Options to mitigate against it exist if you choose them.

I’m just not sure I trust that efforts are being made effectively to fix the global vaccine imbalance.

I don’t mean that to suggest conspiracy of any sort….just finding it harder then ever to trust government to do things right, good intentions though they are.

 

[White Knight]

We might be dealing with this for 5 yrs and it gradually get better and better as we progress...it's not a snap your finger, and it's gone kind of thing.

I believe it is here to stay just like the Flu.

 

[DraftNerd]

The virus will mutate into less of a thing without our help.

I believe I’ve seen this with Delta. As with anything these days there are schools of thought.

I expect to see the same thing with Omni. Only thing I’m still waiting to play out conclusively is if we still have protection options against something that has 32 mutations on it a protein spikes.

I’m hopeful and confidant we do….but solid proof remains to be seen.

 

[Red_Alert]

why do I care what YOU get

I am correcting you in that the common cold is not a coronavirus, as you claimed

You flaming idiot. You cared enough to inject your stupidity into myself and another's conversation.

LOL. Your own link title says they are.
Now go abuse your pet.

 

[White Knight]

I believe I’ve seen this with Delta. As with anything these days there are schools of thought.

I expect to see the same thing with Omni. Only thing I’m still waiting to play out conclusively is if we still have protection options against something that has 32 mutations on it a protein spikes.

I’m hopeful and confidant we do….but solid proof remains to be seen.

Younger, healthier folks need not be concerned.

 

[batchaps4me]

If this were a cut and dried thing it would not be nearly as polarizing. But, it’s not. It’s a complex thing, made maddeningly complex by the bungling way every official channel has handled both the disease and the messaging on it.

Perhaps even a fully vaccinated crew of sailors getting a lot of cases simply means that enough of them are ill enough in the short term to not being able to adequately perform their duties. In that case it would make sense to delay the deployment.

I fully agree with you on the messaging and handling of the disease. I also think that keeping the ship from patrol is more of the same bungling and is in fact counterintuitive to the purpose of mandating the vaccine for the military.

But, to you point….based on their age and likely general health they will have positive outcomes. And at least one young and healthy vaccinated solider will have comorbidities that creates a not so positive outcome. That alone could be a compelling reason to keep them close to base and facilities.

And this is before I even get into the fact that this IS a ship that is 100% vaccinated, meaning that unvaccinated sailors were taken off duty due to their vaccination status. And that’s bullshit.

Most of the comorbidities effected by covid are a disqualifier for military service so there are not nearly as many as you think. There is an easy workaround for anyone that has one(TDY) and replacing them if necessary.

This is where bungling the messaging and handling of covid comes into play. Vaccine mandates that the military are under are supposed to eliminate this very issue of readiness, not by eliminating cases but by eliminating the severe effects of the disease. On a ship at sea, full of vaccinated crewmembers that are relatively young and free of comorbidities, isolation for a positive test is outlandish because it is diametrically opposed to the mandate justification.

 

[ill]

The virus will mutate into less of a thing without our help.

so you don't think we should be doing anything more to defeat it? It will just "run it's course"?

do you think any lives have been saved by the actions taken in America against COVID?

 

[ill]

Younger, healthier folks need not be concerned.

why take the chance?

and they should be concerned if they don't want to get it and spread it to someone who is at risk.

 

[White Knight]

so you don't think we should be doing anything more to defeat it? It will just "run it's course"?

Yes.

 

[ill]

You flaming idiot. You cared enough to inject your stupidity into myself and another's conversation.

LOL. Your own link title says they are.
Now go abuse your pet.


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how about you click on the link and read what I said

there are some common colds caused by coronavirus, but not all.

 

[White Knight]

do you think any lives have been saved by the actions taken in America against COVID?

No.

 

[ill]

Yes.

that is lazy