Kirby put a hit out on Marvin Harrison Jr?? Despicable

Mistaken4193 said:
Cause he is not in BHam anymore. Dude is a multi millionaire just because he answered a phone everyday and let Bama/Auburn fans argue on radio. Hell we do that everyday anyways.
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Where is he now? Atlanta? Yeah, there were some classics back in the day. He could get them riled up. He would troll both fanbases just to get the content going. Have to respect the hustle.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Where is he now? Atlanta? Yeah, there were some classics back in the day. He could get them riled up. He would troll both fanbases just to get the content going. Have to respect the hustle.
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He is in Charlotte. It also helped that his regular callers fit like every southern white trash stereotype
 
FTR, I didn't think the hit was dirty at all.. I felt he was leading with his shoulder the whole time. Sucks that when it comes to big hits, everyone assumes it might be dirty
 
Thiefery said:
FTR, I didn't think the hit was dirty at all.. I felt he was leading with his shoulder the whole time. Sucks that when it comes to big hits, everyone assumes it might be dirty
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I can see why at full speed they called it. I can see when slowed down they reversed it. Hell of a hit, timing was perfect.
 
tabascojet said:
Is all of ohio still crying or just the assholes here?
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The guys here have been very reasonable in my opinion. That was a rip your heart out loss. Hell, I was on my way here to congratulate them. Ooof, that had to hurt. I’ve been there, I know.
 
Mistaken4193 said:
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Never thought about it that way.

jimmy fallon lol GIF by The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Not a huge fan of Pauuuuul, but he's not quite the Bammer homer he used to be. He's right on this one ... we locked down Harrison after the 1st quarter.
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I would hope so since they were doubling him.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
I genuinely don't understand who watches, and/or participates in, these sports talk shows.
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In 2013/4 when I first moved back to Nashville I used to listen to a Titans radio show on 104.5 with Blaine "Hitman" Bishop, Frank Wycheck @RobBase (c) and Mickey Ryan every single day and called in a few times a week and they put me right on their air every single time.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
3rd Q - 4/7
Harrison goes out
4th Q - 4/8

What happened in the 3rd Q? Perhaps we made halftime adjustments? So Stroud's numbers drop in the 3rd Q and are almost the same as the 4th quarter, and Harrison played almost the entire 3rd quarter. What did we do to slow him down in the 3rd that we didn't in the 4th.

Again, I am not minimizing him going out (although you are Washington going out which means you don't realize how key he was for our O schematically). It obviously made a difference, like all injuries do. Hell, if you want to get into injury excuses we lost our WR1 and RT1 in the SEC Championship game, while you guys got a bye week. So let's not get into injuries ... we both were banged up.

Your photos don't show anything illegal. It was a legal shoulder to shoulder hit. Harrison even went on the record saying the hit was not to his head. No launching, no crown of the helmet.

Here is a slowed down version of it:



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In the spirit of why targeting was created, it was targeting.
Head lowered? Check.
Defenseless receiver? Check
Launching upwards towards head/neck area? Check.

It was a dirty hit that did what it was intended, and that is knock Harrison out of the game.

In the 3rd quarter, Stroud had 84 yards compared to 29 yards in the 4th. Nowhere near the same. You've also got to be kidding me about comparing a 2nd string TE to arguably the top WR in college football. I'm guessing you also don't know how important Stover was to our team this year as our 1st string TE by what you're saying.

At the end of the day, it is what it is. It was the second extremely close CFP game Ohio State has lost because of an extremely controversial targeting play that went against us in games that we largely dominated. Shit is just getting old.
 
HammerDown said:
In 2013/4 when I first moved back to Nashville I used to listen to a Titans radio show on 104.5 with Blaine "Hitman" Bishop, Frank Wycheck @RobBase (c) and Mickey Ryan every single day and called in a few times a week and they put me right on their air every single time.
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I feel like local sports radio is a bit different than these big national shows.
 
that dude lost me at without the SEC and Big ten there is no college football.
if those 2 conferences didnt exist those schools would be in other conferences and the teams mostly would likely still be who they are.
if those 28 schools didnt exist those players would just end up on teams across the country. maybe they would stay in the south and Miami, FSU and Clemson would be more than they are. but likely ND OK TX and USC would bump up.
college football would look a little different but mostly the same
 
Across The Field said:
In the spirit of why targeting was created, it was targeting.
Head lowered? Check.
Defenseless receiver? Check
Launching upwards towards head/neck area? Check.

It was a dirty hit that did what it was intended, and that is knock Harrison out of the game.

In the 3rd quarter, Stroud had 84 yards compared to 29 yards in the 4th. Nowhere near the same. You've also got to be kidding me about comparing a 2nd string TE to arguably the top WR in college football. I'm guessing you also don't know how important Stover was to our team this year as our 1st string TE by what you're saying.

At the end of the day, it is what it is. It was the second extremely close CFP game Ohio State has lost because of an extremely controversial targeting play that went against us in games that we largely dominated. Shit is just getting old.
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I am just going to respond this last time. We aren't ever going to agree and this has been going on the Internet since the game was over.

In the spirit of why targeting was created, it was targeting. - In that they reversed it, that simply isn't true. They bend over backwards to call targeting. They reversed it. Unless you are saying they cheated for UGA the presumption is it wasn't targeting. You then look at the video, no targeting. Legit, tough hit. Finally ... and make sure you read this ... your own WR who got knocked out of the game said it wasn't targeting. Maybe you should take a deep breath, understand that it is upsetting (been there, done that for 41 years) and realize maybe everyone else is right.

Head lowered? Check. - heads never touched or if it did was incidental, didn't lead with his head, didn't hit with the crown of his helmet.
Defenseless receiver? Check - agreed, but the rest is not there. You can hit defenseless players, just not in certain ways.
Launching upwards towards head/neck area? Check. - you are seeing things if you think he launched, or you don't know what launched means. Both his feet were on the ground when he hit him. And he hit him square shoulder to shoulder, not the head or neck area. I mean look at the videos I posted.

It was a dirty hit that did what it was intended, and that is knock Harrison out of the game. - ok, that's just absurd. That's conspiracy bullshit. It was a competitive game where this was a key play with our player acting naturally as he would react. The idea that we would intentionally do this is bullshit and you don't look good saying that

In the 3rd quarter, Stroud had 84 yards compared to 29 yards in the 4th. Nowhere near the same. You've also got to be kidding me about comparing a 2nd string TE to arguably the top WR in college football. I'm guessing you also don't know how important Stover was to our team this year as our 1st string TE by what you're saying. - Here are the trends for Stroud ... we obviously adjusted in the second half. Compare Q3 to Q2. Teams adjust and we did. It wasn't just Harrison going out that slowed Stroud down. So, how you do account for that?

As for the TE, he's TE1b, not second-string TE, and he's a first or second-rounder. You don't understand our O if you don't think he was a key, no, a primary key to the way we run our O. Period. I know my team. You don't have to be a WR to have an impact on a game. In fact, a TE who does a ton of blocking and receiving can have the same effect. You suddenly didn't have to account for a 270-pound, 6'7 TE. Not saying he's Gronk, but if Gronk went out in a game, NE's O had to adjust. And, you bring up Stover, so you totally should get how important they can be. We run 12 formation 67% of the time ... Washington is in as much as Bowers is, if not more.
 
I thought it was very clear that Georgia just didn’t want to be there for 3 quarters.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Not a huge fan of Pauuuuul, but he's not quite the Bammer homer he used to be. He's right on this one ... we locked down Harrison after the 1st quarter.
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They definitely did much better against him late in the first half and in the second half before he went out but it was at the expense of letting Fleming and Ebuka start running free.

I posted at 10:30 that Georgia had to start blitzing bc the front by itself was not getting it done.

The hit was a hard hit but was not malicious. I've seen plenty of those get held up for targeting and the player ejected but I have no issue with this one being overturned. It was a good football play that unfortunately cost us one of the players we couldn't afford to lose
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I am just going to respond this last time. We aren't ever going to agree and this has been going on the Internet since the game was over.

In the spirit of why targeting was created, it was targeting. - In that they reversed it, that simply isn't true. They bend over backwards to call targeting. They reversed it. Unless you are saying they cheated for UGA the presumption is it wasn't targeting. You then look at the video, no targeting. Legit, tough hit. Finally ... and make sure you read this ... your own WR who got knocked out of the game said it wasn't targeting. Maybe you should take a deep breath, understand that it is upsetting (been there, done that for 41 years) and realize maybe everyone else is right.

Head lowered? Check. - heads never touched or if it did was incidental, didn't lead with his head, didn't hit with the crown of his helmet.
Defenseless receiver? Check - agreed, but the rest is not there. You can hit defenseless players, just not in certain ways.
Launching upwards towards head/neck area? Check. - you are seeing things if you think he launched, or you don't know what launched means. Both his feet were on the ground when he hit him. And he hit him square shoulder to shoulder, not the head or neck area. I mean look at the videos I posted.

It was a dirty hit that did what it was intended, and that is knock Harrison out of the game. - ok, that's just absurd. That's conspiracy bullshit. It was a competitive game where this was a key play with our player acting naturally as he would react. The idea that we would intentionally do this is bullshit and you don't look good saying that

In the 3rd quarter, Stroud had 84 yards compared to 29 yards in the 4th. Nowhere near the same. You've also got to be kidding me about comparing a 2nd string TE to arguably the top WR in college football. I'm guessing you also don't know how important Stover was to our team this year as our 1st string TE by what you're saying. - Here are the trends for Stroud ... we obviously adjusted in the second half. Compare Q3 to Q2. Teams adjust and we did. It wasn't just Harrison going out that slowed Stroud down. So, how you do account for that?

As for the TE, he's TE1b, not second-string TE, and he's a first or second-rounder. You don't understand our O if you don't think he was a key, no, a primary key to the way we run our O. Period. I know my team. You don't have to be a WR to have an impact on a game. In fact, a TE who does a ton of blocking and receiving can have the same effect. You suddenly didn't have to account for a 270-pound, 6'7 TE. Not saying he's Gronk, but if Gronk went out in a game, NE's O had to adjust. And, you bring up Stover, so you totally should get how important they can be. We run 12 formation 67% of the time ... Washington is in as much as Bowers is, if not more.
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1. Helmet to helmet isn't required for targeting
2. Yep, defenseless receiver
3. Yeah, he very clearly launched. The second picture I sent very clearly shows his body launching upwards with both feet off the ground. This is the key reason they created targeting, getting rid of these sort of hits. The fact that he didn't happen to hit his helmet was happenstance, it clearly could have easily happened when you hit a player launching your body upward like he clearly did.

You didn't adjust at all in the 3rd quarter. We had 123 yards of total offense and two scoring drives, which would've been more yards and two TD drives if the targeting was correctly upheld.

Yes, Washington going out was exactly the same as Stover. Both TEs were critical to each offense's gameplan so it's a moot point. I never said it didn't matter, I said it's not on the level of us losing Harrison, and I can't see how you would rationally disagree considering how major of an impact player Harrison is on each and every passing play, whether he's getting the ball or not (as we saw for all 3 quarters he was in).

Like I said, it is what it is. We both see things the way that would benefit our teams. Like I said, it's just tiring having your team lose a game that was impacted by targeting twice (and both times resulting in the loss of a vitally important OSU player that was playing extremely well up to that point) that they were otherwise dominating.
 
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