Man CBS Screwed Up Big Time

[Red_Alert]

Is there some kind of Oregon-Nebraska rivalry that I am not aware of?

No. It's just that the Oregonian was laughing at the point that UCLA's viewership is going to increase considerably when they play a Big 10 schedule.
It's pretty simple in that there are far more TV sets tuned into college football in Big 10 country than in the PAC.

UCLA's viewership for PAC games is similar to Oregon's. So their laughing at anything is pathetic stupidity.

With USC and UCLA in the mix, it's possible (if not likely) that they'll be a ton more "great" games to put on CBS

haha you included UCLA in that.

 

[Red_Alert]

You quoted numbers with Oregon and a 9 game conference schedule. That is how what you said factually inaccurate.

We do not know what the Arizona/Oregon tv ratings are. Therefore, your initial post should only use an 8 game sample size. Christ, not that hard to figure out.

On the PAC 12 Network, they're not a million, dopey.

One should be able to figure that out by looking at FS1, ESPN2, and ESPNU numbers in similar timeslots and are far more available nationally.

LMFAO!!

 

[ericd7633]

On the PAC 12 Network, they're not a million, dopey.

One should be able to figure that out by looking at FS1, ESPN2, and ESPNU numbers in similar timeslots and are far more available.

LMFAO!!

Yeah, I guess so. Who knows though. The fact is using a 9 game sample with 8 games worth of data and averaging that out against said 9 games, leaves the numbers incorrect. Either add 200K to the overall number or divide you number by 8. It's pretty simple.

 

[Red_Alert]

Yeah, I guess so. Who knows though. The fact is using a 9 game sample with 8 games worth of data and averaging that out against said 9 games, leaves the numbers incorrect. Either add 200K to the overall number or divide you number by 8. It's pretty simple.

For UCLA it's a push because both teams played a conference opponent on the PAC 12 Network.
Oregon had a slight edge, but that edge was de minimis.

Regarding Indiana, just remove the 392k for the Maryland/Indiana game on ESPN2. That's being generous.

 

[Red_Alert]

Therefore....

2022 Viewership Totals
(10-3) Oregon vs PAC 12 teams: 14.3 million
(4-8) Indiana vs Big 10 teams: 13.5 million - 392k = 13.1 million

Oregon 9 game average = 1.58M
Indiana 9 game average = 1.45M

A 130,000 difference between a (10-3) team and a (4-8) perennial gutter team?

 

[CorpRebel]

IIRC (which is questionable at my age) I saw a stat that was mind blowing to me. Something like of the 100 most watched programs one year, 93 of them were NFL games. They were talking ALL programming, not just sports. If that’s the case, One can’t blame networks to hitching up to that star.

I guess I’m in the minority because I much prefer college sports to professional sports…even if the former is looking more and more like the latter.

Yep!! I don't actively watch ANY pro sports these days. Yeah, if I'm in a bar or something and sports is on, I'll watch it, but other than that I don't support any pro sports.
CFB is starting to get on my nerves, though, but I still watch it... for the time being, anyway.

 

[Volbound1700]

No. It's just that the Oregonian was laughing at the point that UCLA's viewership is going to increase considerably when they play a Big 10 schedule.
It's pretty simple in that there are far more TV sets tuned into college football in Big 10 country than in the PAC.

UCLA's viewership for PAC games is similar to Oregon's. So their laughing at anything is pathetic stupidity.

I was joking with that post for the most part. More making fun of the energy and aggressiveness behind the arguments more than the actual argument itself.

 

[ericd7633]

For UCLA it's a push because both teams played a conference opponent on the PAC 12 Network.
Oregon had a slight edge, but that edge was de minimis.

Regarding Indiana, just remove the 392k for the Maryland/Indiana game on ESPN2. That's being generous.

That's fine. That's all I was asking for regarding the IU/Oregon comparison. You can't use 9 game sample size when only 8 games were rated. My guess is the number is probably around that, so that's fair.

With that said IU is a shitty tv draw. OSU and Michigan drive up their ratings significantly. OSU and Michigan are tv monsters right now.

 

[Red_Alert]

That's fine. That's all I was asking for regarding the IU/Oregon comparison. You can't use 9 game sample size when only 8 games were rated. My guess is the number is probably around that, so that's fair.

With that said IU is a shitty tv draw. OSU and Michigan drive up their ratings significantly. OSU and Michigan are tv monsters right now.

My point was that Oregon is not the TV ratings behemoth they appear if you remove that Georgia game. They're living off that one game and everybody but they know that defending champ Georgia was the ratings draw.

In conference Oregon is quite similar to an Indiana from an average ratings perspective.

They certainly should not be laughing at UCLA who has basically the same PAC average ratings.

 

[ericd7633]

My point was that Oregon is not the TV ratings behemoth they appear if you remove that Georgia game. They're living off that one game and everybody but they know that defending champ Georgia was the ratings draw.

In conference Oregon is quite similar to an Indiana from an average ratings perspective.

They certainly should not be laughing at UCLA who has basically the same PAC average ratings.

The only ratings monsters IMO are OSU, Michigan and Alabama. They can carry a crappy opponent to a great rating. And when involved against another good team, the ratings are huge. The fact that IU has that poor of ratings despite a sixth of the schedule playing the best two draws is telling. Add in PSU, a third of their schedule is against huge brands. If you were to hypothetically switch IU and Oregon's schedule, my guess is Oregon probably doubles what they did last year simply because of playing OSU, Michigan and PSU. If Oregon played OSU and Michigan twice, I'd bet between those two games, that would get more viewers than what IU got all of last year.

Agree, they probably shouldn't be laughing at UCLA, but I do think Oregon is a better tv draw than they are.

 

[Wild Turkey]

The only ratings monsters IMO are OSU, Michigan and Alabama. They can carry a crappy opponent to a great rating. And when involved against another good team, the ratings are huge. The fact that IU has that poor of ratings despite a sixth of the schedule playing the best two draws is telling. Add in PSU, a third of their schedule is against huge brands. If you were to hypothetically switch IU and Oregon's schedule, my guess is Oregon probably doubles what they did last year simply because of playing OSU, Michigan and PSU. If Oregon played OSU and Michigan twice, I'd bet between those two games, that would get more viewers than what IU got all of last year.

Agree, they probably shouldn't be laughing at UCLA, but I do think Oregon is a better tv draw than they are.

Georgia and Notre Dame are pulling numbers as well.

Michigan has to be in the hunt or people seem to lose interest fast so they aren’t a 100% guarantee.

Then you have a handful of SEC schools like LSU, Auburn, Florida, aTm that aren’t consistent big rating machines but let them have a good season and play in a meaningful game, or hand them a decent OOC game and they will pull big.

When Texas and OK join their first season will be off the charts as everyone will want to see how they do that year. Same for USC (UCLA not so much).

You get passed Ohio State and Michigan and B1G games pulling the big numbers is very dependent on circumstances.

 

[Thiefery]

Yep!! I don't actively watch ANY pro sports these days. Yeah, if I'm in a bar or something and sports is on, I'll watch it, but other than that I don't support any pro sports.
CFB is starting to get on my nerves, though, but I still watch it... for the time being, anyway.

CA definitely check out

also;

 

[ericd7633]

Georgia and Notre Dame are pulling numbers as well.

Michigan has to be in the hunt or people seem to lose interest fast so they aren’t a 100% guarantee.

Then you have a handful of SEC schools like LSU, Auburn, Florida, aTm that aren’t consistent big rating machines but let them have a good season and play in a meaningful game, or hand them a decent OOC game and they will pull big.

When Texas and OK join their first season will be off the charts as everyone will want to see how they do that year. Same for USC (UCLA not so much).

You get passed Ohio State and Michigan and B1G games pulling the big numbers is very dependent on circumstances.

I think UGA and ND are definitely in a tier below the other 3. The thing that sticks out to me are games like OSU vs. Toledo that got over 3 million viewers, and a game like Michigan vs. Colorado State pulled in almost 4 million. Those are monster ratings given the opponent. A game like UGA/South Carolina didn't top either of them. Also, it's hard to get a good gauge on UGA because 1/3 of their games are on SECN, which isn't Neilsen rated. Would a UGA vs. Vandy/Missouri game pull in over 3 million? I certainly have my doubts.

As for ND, there's just too many uninspiring games against the likes of Marshall, Cal, BYU, Stanford etc. that don't rate well enough.

 

[Volbound1700]

I think UGA and ND are definitely in a tier below the other 3. The thing that sticks out to me are games like OSU vs. Toledo that got over 3 million viewers, and a game like Michigan vs. Colorado State pulled in almost 4 million. Those are monster ratings given the opponent. A game like UGA/South Carolina didn't top either of them. Also, it's hard to get a good gauge on UGA because 1/3 of their games are on SECN, which isn't Neilsen rated. Would a UGA vs. Vandy/Missouri game pull in over 3 million? I certainly have my doubts.

As for ND, there's just too many uninspiring games against the likes of Marshall, Cal, BYU, Stanford etc. that don't rate well enough.

Michigan and Ohio State are monsters.

It seems like the Texas teams bring in the most cash but I have the perception that Michigan and Ohio State may have the largest fan bases in the country.

There is a drop off with the B1G after them two but Penn State, Nebraska, and USC are not shabby either. Michigan State, Iowa, and Wisconsin have decent numbers and fanbase support as well. Once you get past the teams that I have listed, there is a significant drop off. Perhaps Purdue is the next big one or maybe Minnesota (seems like the Vikings dominate Minnesota though).

 

[Wild Turkey]

I think UGA and ND are definitely in a tier below the other 3. The thing that sticks out to me are games like OSU vs. Toledo that got over 3 million viewers, and a game like Michigan vs. Colorado State pulled in almost 4 million. Those are monster ratings given the opponent. A game like UGA/South Carolina didn't top either of them. Also, it's hard to get a good gauge on UGA because 1/3 of their games are on SECN, which isn't Neilsen rated. Would a UGA vs. Vandy/Missouri game pull in over 3 million? I certainly have my doubts.

As for ND, there's just too many uninspiring games against the likes of Marshall, Cal, BYU, Stanford etc. that don't rate well enough.

Georgia is on a roll and pulling huge numbers right now and will do so next year as well. If they go back down their numbers will decrease but the same is true for Bama and Ohio State. The more you win the better your numbers even Notre Dame isn't immune to that but less so than most.

Let's put it this way: Auburn has its share of big numbers in a season and those bumps come from OOC, Iron Bowl and the Georgia game which typically pull no matter what. However, if they get good all of a sudden you see numbers start pulling for their games vs LSU, aTm and most of the SEC opponents. It pays to be a winner.

LSU should be pretty dang good this year so watch their numbers start to jump if they meet expectations. People will watch because they want to see them lose.

 

[Volbound1700]

Georgia is on a roll and pulling huge numbers right now and will do so next year as well. If they go back down their numbers will decrease but the same is true for Bama and Ohio State. The more you win the better your numbers even Notre Dame isn't immune to that but less so than most.

Let's put it this way: Auburn has its share of big numbers in a season and those bumps come from OOC, Iron Bowl and the Georgia game which typically pull no matter what. However, if they get good all of a sudden you see numbers start pulling for their games vs LSU, aTm and most of the SEC opponents. It pays to be a winner.

LSU should be pretty dang good this year so watch their numbers start to jump if they meet expectations. People will watch because they want to see them lose.

I will preface this, I hate Georgia but Georgia was always a sleeping Titan and frankly has been very competitive with the exception of a couple of seasons here and there since 2001.

Georgia is a very large state, #3 ranking most years in blue chips put out (plus they border Florida, Alabama and the Carolinas who also produce blue chips at a larger quantity), media hub with Atlanta, large fanbase, and frankly is the only real power left in the state with Georgia Tech's decline. It reminds me of LSU prior to Saban. They just needed to break through the ceiling to take advantage of their vast resource potential.

Sure they don't have the blue chip history but they have a lot of advantages over many of the blue chip programs. The future looks bright for them, unfortunately.

 

[OlyDuck]

No. It's just that the Oregonian was laughing at the point that UCLA's viewership is going to increase considerably when they play a Big 10 schedule.
It's pretty simple in that there are far more TV sets tuned into college football in Big 10 country than in the PAC.

UCLA's viewership for PAC games is similar to Oregon's. So their laughing at anything is pathetic stupidity.

how do you still not understand that laughing at UCLA not bringing in ratings has nothing to do with Oregon and so any comparison you are making is not relevant.

 

[OlyDuck]

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That's not what he said at all, you disingenuous POS.

wait you get upset that i interpret a ton more great games with UCLA being in the Big ten as UCLA being in the top 5 rating getter? are you suggesting that the teams 6-16 generally are known to generate great games with high ratings?
also "That's not what he said at all" could also have been said to you in that I never said anything about Oregon in the discussion.
Like i have been saying this is about UCLA not UCLA compared to Oregon as much as you want it to be.

 

[Volbound1700]

wait you get upset that i interpret a ton more great games with UCLA being in the Big ten as UCLA being in the top 5 rating getter? are you suggesting that the teams 6-16 generally are known to generate great games with high ratings?
also "That's not what he said at all" could also have been said to you in that I never said anything about Oregon in the discussion.
Like i have been saying this is about UCLA not UCLA compared to Oregon as much as you want it to be.

I feel for you as an Oregon fan and not getting an invite (although I think it eventually comes). However, I don't think you have a very good argument here. UCLA is a big-name team and, if they are good, they will get ratings. In fact, I expect their ratings to improve being in the B1G.

 

[OlyDuck]

The numbers don't reflect potential viewers that you pick up by the conference move as well. I think there will be even more excitement with programs like UCLA, USC, Oklahoma, and Texas when they join B1G/SEC.

For example, a Miss State fan maybe more likely to watch an OU or Texas game now that they are in the SEC or Ohio State fan more likely to watch a USC game.

You will also just get people that are not involved now in that area that may tune in to see Ohio State vs. USC that would not have prior to the realignment.

Ohio State vs USC would get eyes no matter what. 1999 season would probably have still been in the top 5 rating game (OSU 6-6 USC 7-5)
those arent the games to watch and see ratings. its the USC vs Purdue and UCLA vs Northwestern to see if they really draw more than when they played Cal or WSU.