Mel Tucker getting railroaded?

DayButtAssMans’s said:
Dude… he creeped on a sexual assault prevention advocate, through doing work at a university that just went through a huge public scandal. Even if he thought it was consensual, that’s really fucking dumb.

Coaches get fired for less—actual consensual affairs with university employees being outed. Given the question of consent in this one, the universities history, the creepy vibes of it, no, he’s not getting railroaded.
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Even if every word of his claim is true, and it was 100% consensual, it’s still a fireable offense. A) you’re very publicly caught cheating on your wife, B) MSU doesn’t need even a whiff of a sexual harassment scandal given its past issues.
 
PeoplesChicken said:
I like Clay, but unless he is privy to facts we don't have, his take is wrong here. Lying in an investigation is cause enough for termination. Being that MSU is still trying to distance itself from the last fiasco they are not going to chance it. It alreadys appears they waited much to long to take action
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Don't get me wrong -- I think Mel Tucker should be fired. That being said -- if it is true this lady had 30 calls with him of over 30+ minutes...............I don't believe a word she is saying about "freezing and being unable to hang up".

How exactly does one transition to beating off on the phone? Were they having a talk about what she was going to have to do at work and he just randomly started beating off? I think it was consenual and she was upset he cut it off and now she is trying to turn it around to look like the victim.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Don't get me wrong -- I think Mel Tucker should be fired. That being said -- if it is true this lady had 30 calls with him of over 30+ minutes...............I don't believe a word she is saying about "freezing and being unable to hang up".

How exactly does one transition to beating off on the phone? Were they having a talk about what she was going to have to do at work and he just randomly started beating off? I think it was consenual and she was upset he cut it off and now she is trying to turn it around to look like the victim.
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Your scenario is definitely plausible. I think there were to consenting parties in this but due to her professional connection to the school, his lying to investigators, and his alleged behavior during a call or calls...he is done
 
MarkOU said:
He admits to jerking off on the phone with a sexual assault victim that he invited to speak to his team about sexual violence. Says it was consensual.

He's suspended without pay.

He said. She said.

Wow. Like how the fuck that happen? Insane.
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so, he's basically uncle jack? yes, could you tell us about your assault?

 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Don't get me wrong -- I think Mel Tucker should be fired. That being said -- if it is true this lady had 30 calls with him of over 30+ minutes...............I don't believe a word she is saying about "freezing and being unable to hang up".

How exactly does one transition to beating off on the phone? Were they having a talk about what she was going to have to do at work and he just randomly started beating off? I think it was consenual and she was upset he cut it off and now she is trying to turn it around to look like the victim.
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Freezing in that kind of situation is pretty typical, especially if there's past trauma. The several prior calls could have started as planning for work stuff and morphed into something more, but that doesn't = time to whip it out and jerk off. I think it's totally reasonable to assume he misread the situation, but writing off her not consenting and being creeped out by the creepy behavior he admits to seems like a weird initial reaction based on the info we have.
 
PeoplesChicken said:
Your scenario is definitely plausible. I think there were to consenting parties in this but due to her professional connection to the school, his lying to investigators, and his alleged behavior during a call or calls...he is done
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He's already been caught lying, but she's the one who must be lying... It's a very weird take to me. Again, him misreading is very plausible, but that doesn't mean she's lying about not consenting to the beating off.
 
How hard is it to hang up.


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PeoplesChicken said:
Your scenario is definitely plausible. I think there were to consenting parties in this but due to her professional connection to the school, his lying to investigators, and his alleged behavior during a call or calls...he is done
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I agree, he is done and he should be fired immediately. I don't believe for a second that, not just Mel Tucker, but any individual is going to just start masturbating out of nowhere on a phone call with a person they have talked with 30 times for long extended conversations.

With the info that has been shared, It is pretty blatant they were having a relationship on the side and it looks like she wasn't happy it was ended and now is trying to make herself the victim and likely will want some sort of payday either from the school or Tucker.
 
DayButtAssMans’s said:
Freezing in that kind of situation is pretty typical, especially if there's past trauma. The several prior calls could have started as planning for work stuff and morphed into something more, but that doesn't = time to whip it out and jerk off. I think it's totally reasonable to assume he misread the situation, but writing off her not consenting and being creeped out by the creepy behavior he admits to seems like a weird initial reaction based on the info we have.
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"misread the situation"?!?! explain the situation where a guy gets a boner on a phone conversation, then decides to masturbate while having a conversation unannounced?!?!

i can see freezing if you are, in person, and something like this happens. on a phone call, hit the button and hang up, set the phone down and walk away, throw the phone across the room.

None of the story makes any sense. What does make sense is -- He had an inappropriate relationship with the woman. He ended the relationship, she was scorned. If it got out she was having an extra marital affair and phone sex with someone paying her to speak at the school -- she'd never get hired again. SO...............................instead she turns it around and now she is the victim, and while she likely is done speaking at schools, she can try to get a big pay day.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
"misread the situation"?!?! explain the situation where a guy gets a boner on a phone conversation, then decides to masturbate while having a conversation unannounced?!?!

i can see freezing if you are, in person, and something like this happens. on a phone call, hit the button and hang up, set the phone down and walk away, throw the phone across the room.

None of the story makes any sense. What does make sense is -- He had an inappropriate relationship with the woman. He ended the relationship, she was scorned. If it got out she was having an extra marital affair and phone sex with someone paying her to speak at the school -- she'd never get hired again. SO...............................instead she turns it around and now she is the victim, and while she likely is done speaking at schools, she can try to get a big pay day.
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If it was unannounced she probably wouldn't have known, firstly.

But noted, it doesn't make sense to you, so she must be lying, not the guy who's already been caught lying and tried to bribe his way out of it.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
"misread the situation"?!?! explain the situation where a guy gets a boner on a phone conversation, then decides to masturbate while having a conversation unannounced?!?!

i can see freezing if you are, in person, and something like this happens. on a phone call, hit the button and hang up, set the phone down and walk away, throw the phone across the room.

None of the story makes any sense. What does make sense is -- He had an inappropriate relationship with the woman. He ended the relationship, she was scorned. If it got out she was having an extra marital affair and phone sex with someone paying her to speak at the school -- she'd never get hired again. SO...............................instead she turns it around and now she is the victim, and while she likely is done speaking at schools, she can try to get a big pay day.
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That makes more sense to you than a consultant working directly with a man with high power, able to black ball her and dump her current contract, felt powerless to stop his advances before this event, and up through it.

Don't wank where you work.

Women feel trapped routinely by men in power making advances they don't want, but fear professional retribution for not going along with it.

And no, I'm not saying that must be what happened here, but it is all least as plausible as a woman scorned over not having a relationship that was never even alleged to be physical in person.

Who tries to ruin someone over losing a phone sex buddy?

I'm not buying it.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
"misread the situation"?!?! explain the situation where a guy gets a boner on a phone conversation, then decides to masturbate while having a conversation unannounced?!?!
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Simple. Ask any telemarketer that has cold dialed my cell number. I mean we could do a zoom call if you need help visualizing it, but daddy gotta get paid for that ...
 
Wizardhawk said:
That makes more sense to you than a consultant working directly with a man with high power, able to black ball her and dump her current contract, felt powerless to stop his advances before this event, and up through it.

Don't wank where you work.

Women feel trapped routinely by men in power making advances they don't want, but fear professional retribution for not going along with it.

And no, I'm not saying that must be what happened here, but it is all least as plausible as a woman scorned over not having a relationship that was never even alleged to be physical in person.

Who tries to ruin someone over losing a phone sex buddy?

I'm not buying it.
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She was hired to speak at an event. She wasn't hired to work at the university and she wasn't under contract, other than individual times to speak at an event.

It seems you are under the impression she was a MSU employee.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
She was hired to speak at an event. She wasn't hired to work at the university and she wasn't under contract, other than individual times to speak at an event.

It seems you are under the impression she was a MSU employee.
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Can you guess who might have had enough pull to schedule her for more paid apearances or deny her the same?
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
She was hired to speak at an event. She wasn't hired to work at the university and she wasn't under contract, other than individual times to speak at an event.

It seems you are under the impression she was a MSU employee.
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I would assume she signed a contract with the University.

10K as a consultant isn’t like being a guest speaker in a lecture hall.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
She was hired to speak at an event. She wasn't hired to work at the university and she wasn't under contract, other than individual times to speak at an event.

It seems you are under the impression she was a MSU employee.
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Nope. Not making any assumptions on something I have little information about. That was the point.

There are many possible reasons she could still have not wanted to rock the boat for professional considerations.
 
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