MLB may have a deal in place.......

a team from the correct part of this country finally wins it all, which would give baseball all the momentum in the world...now they're screwing it all up

sounds about right
 
stakesarehigh said:
The average salary deal was pretty striking to me and yes the entire structure of that is messed. Where I feel the players need adjustment is in the enormous deals handed to the top 2 percent. They virtually never pay off for the club and it takes money from the middle. If they were willing to budge on those I think you would see gains made for the other 98 percent.
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It’s not as simple as putting a cap with a floor in place….but that would be a great start. Or, maybe it is that simple.

Want to give a guy an outrageous amount of your cap each year for a decade and deal with the declining years later? Fine, take that up with your fans.

I’m not saying I know the players would be emphatically receptive to this idea, but put it out there. Stop covering for owners that willingly put out a cheap roster and pocket the rest.

If you want a cap you have to have a floor….
 
Orlando_Eagles said:
It’s not as simple as putting a cap with a floor in place….but that would be a great start. Or, maybe it is that simple.

Want to give a guy an outrageous amount of your cap each year for a decade and deal with the declining years later? Fine, take that up with your fans.

I’m not saying I know the players would be emphatically receptive to this idea, but put it out there. Stop covering for owners that willingly put out a cheap roster and pocket the rest.

If you want a cap you have to have a floor….
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Totally agree with the last sentence and I suggested as much.

To me it's bullshit that owners equally split certain revenues when some teams make no effort to compete.
 
stakesarehigh said:
Totally agree with the last sentence and I suggested as much.

To me it's bullshit that owners equally split certain revenues when some teams make no effort to compete.
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It’s possibly the biggest gripe I have with this game for a long time. Football and basketball addressed this (well…basketball half ass addressed this IMO) with caps. It’s leveled things at least a bit in the short term in creating parity….in the long term anyone can figure out how to operate within any set of rules.

I don’t know if players would accept any cap to the growth of their income….but I only know this as they have not been challenged on it.

Why waste an opportunity to make the other side look bad just to protect some shitheads that don’t care about the game or the fans?
 
Orlando_Eagles said:
It’s possibly the biggest gripe I have with this game for a long time. Football and basketball addressed this (well…basketball half ass addressed this IMO) with caps. It’s leveled things at least a bit in the short term in creating parity….in the long term anyone can figure out how to operate within any set of rules.

I don’t know if players would accept any cap to the growth of their income….but I only know this as they have not been challenged on it.

Why waste an opportunity to make the other side look bad just to protect some shitheads that don’t care about the game or the fans?
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A cap ceiling with a cap floor would likely end in a net positive for the players. But yea you'd have to eliminate big ticket contracts (not sure how they'd grandfather in the existing ones), and in turn the middle would get more. Also without the enormous long term deals there would be more leverage to put the end to the service time manipulation
 
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Orlando_Eagles said:
It’s possibly the biggest gripe I have with this game for a long time. Football and basketball addressed this (well…basketball half ass addressed this IMO) with caps. It’s leveled things at least a bit in the short term in creating parity….in the long term anyone can figure out how to operate within any set of rules.

I don’t know if players would accept any cap to the growth of their income….but I only know this as they have not been challenged on it.

Why waste an opportunity to make the other side look bad just to protect some shitheads that don’t care about the game or the fans?
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You’ve just described every work stoppage ever. There’s no remorse from owners or the union about what this does to fans. If anything, both sides acknowledge that payrolls are only going to increase and that the expenses will be pushed to the fans— in addition to a shittier form of the game via rule changes.

There’s been little of the way of apology here, since seeming united is more important than who is eventually screwed over. If there are owners who support a salary floor and increased revenue sharing, we’ve not heard of it. If there’s a man overrated, overpaid player who laments his salary pushing baseball’s economics to this brink (or is willing to see it slashed), it hasn’t made the news.

The owners should open their books and show us how unbalanced it is across the teams for profitability. The players should agree to salary caps. And fuck the Yankees.
 
Mofo said:
You’ve just described every work stoppage ever. There’s no remorse from owners or the union about what this does to fans. If anything, both sides acknowledge that payrolls are only going to increase and that the expenses will be pushed to the fans— in addition to a shittier form of the game via rule changes.

There’s been little of the way of apology here, since seeming united is more important than who is eventually screwed over. If there are owners who support a salary floor and increased revenue sharing, we’ve not heard of it. If there’s a man overrated, overpaid player who laments his salary pushing baseball’s economics to this brink (or is willing to see it slashed), it hasn’t made the news.

The owners should open their books and show us how unbalanced it is across the teams for profitability. The players should agree to salary caps. And fuck the Yankees.
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I’m not looking for an apology. I’m just looking for both greedy sides to find a way.

And the last sentence of your post…..

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stakesarehigh said:
A cap ceiling with a cap floor would likely end in a net positive for the players. But yea you'd have to eliminate big ticket contracts (not sure how they'd grandfather in the existing ones), and in turn the middle would get more. Also without the enormous long term deals there would be more leverage to put the end to the service time manipulation
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I dont know….my fiscal conservative side shows up here a bit. I get that it’s a tough predicament to want to get the best players and put the best product on the field, but not handicap yourself with these mega deals…..but if you can’t figure a balance to this just sell the team.

In a world with a cap these things become relative. You’re not trying to keep up with the jones’ (or worse….just giving up because you can’t).

Yeah….the cap can have inherent pluses for players, but it will also stifle big deals with some sanity, which is needed here.

(Knowing there are countless other issues to address, like the service time manipulation) I would put out the cap with floor as a win for players and expect them to give somewhere else, like maybe there will be no addressing of the “collusive” player signing practices of the last few years.

Give to get.
 
Jfc. They’re going to bastardize the game
 
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While I agree the owners offer was shit and I’m fine with the players turning it down, that just seems like a bad place for Passan to be interjecting himself. He has solid baseball coverage, but he also has a history of infusing his politics into a lot of things.
 
RubinRock said:


While I agree the owners offer was shit and I’m fine with the players turning it down, that just seems like a bad place for Passan to be interjecting himself. He has solid baseball coverage, but he also has a history of infusing his politics into a lot of things.
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Madden also parrots whatever owners tell him, so who knows if that's even true.

 
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