More Michigan Cheating

osubuckeye89 said:
This "unnamed staffer" thing isn't the bombshell they think it is. Is there any rule against the sharing of info with other coaches? If the signs were legally obtained. Nobody cares.
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Everything posted is unnamed staffer. Unnamed sources. All of it is non-sense until they come out with an actual ruling.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Eh I think if there were truly "nothing to see here" The NCAA and B1G woulda given up already.
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What Stalions did is wrong. If Harbaugh knew about it -- he will be fired and rightfully so.

But even if Harbaugh didn't know, it doesn't mean he won't get penalized for it. He is responsible for his staff. That's why the B1G and NCAA are still involved. There is no such thing as plausible deniability anymore. So Harbaugh will get some form of punishment. It will come down to if he knew or didn't on the severity.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Everything posted is unnamed staffer. Unnamed sources. All of it is non-sense until they come out with an actual ruling.
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At least you've been consistent on the questionable nature of "anonymous sources"

Unlike M&B, who lashes out at them when they are bad for Michigan, but latches on to them as great when they are positive.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Everything posted is unnamed staffer. Unnamed sources. All of it is non-sense until they come out with an actual ruling.
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you mean like the Purdue coach flat out saying they have proof of what Michigan did?

Other coaches are doing flips to stay out of the fray but the polling data is pretty telling that they think what Michigan did is vastly different than your run of the mill sign stealing. If it was...then this story would have been shot down long ago

surely you don't think you're bringing some kind of angle no one in the CFB community considered right?
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
What Stalions did is wrong. If Harbaugh knew about it -- he will be fired and rightfully so.

But even if Harbaugh didn't know, it doesn't mean he won't get penalized for it. He is responsible for his staff. That's why the B1G and NCAA are still involved. There is no such thing as plausible deniability anymore. So Harbaugh will get some form of punishment. It will come down to if he knew or didn't on the severity.
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Yep. Even if they come up with no sure fire evidence that "Harbaugh Knew" he's still the captain of the ship. The fact that something like that was going on under his watch and he was oblivious to that will get him in trouble.

Plausible deniability is hard to believe here though. You are asking people to believe that legit coaches just started taking serious play calling advice from a "low level" staffer without even asking how he got his info, they had to know it was good info to actually use it.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
At least you've been consistent on the questionable nature of "anonymous sources"

Unlike M&B, who lashes out at them when they are bad for Michigan, but latches on to them as great when they are positive.
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to his credit he's a reasonable poster

whereas M&B isnt.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
What Stalions did is wrong. If Harbaugh knew about it -- he will be fired and rightfully so.

But even if Harbaugh didn't know, it doesn't mean he won't get penalized for it. He is responsible for his staff. That's why the B1G and NCAA are still involved. There is no such thing as plausible deniability anymore. So Harbaugh will get some form of punishment. It will come down to if he knew or didn't on the severiisn't.
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this is almost spot on to my opinion. You will note I haven't said Harbaugh directed this.
 
stakesarehigh said:
this is almost spot on to my opinion. You will note I haven't said Harbaugh directed this.
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I don't think Harbaugh was the director either. It was likely assistants, whether they are still there or not who started it. Of course Stallions is the main figure, but I mean like coaches under Harbaugh, perhaps the OC/DC were the directors who Stallions reported to. They actually probably did all they could to keep Harbaugh ever from 100% directly know what was going on (for plausible deniability for him) But if Harbaugh really is that oblivious, he deserves to get in some trouble. That shows complete lack of control of your program that you could let all of this go on under you "without noticing"
 
This line makes me thing the AP story is nothing more than a desperation "Harbaugh good, Harbaugh do no wrong, Harbaugh treated unfair" piece. It's written like propaganda.

Also doesn't help that it comes from a 100% biased toward Michigan writer.

He also said he gave the details to Michigan last week because he hoped it would help Jim Harbaugh’s embattled program and that he believes Harbaugh and his coaches are being unfairly blamed for the actions of a rogue staffer.
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osubuckeye89 said:
This line makes me thing the AP story is nothing more than a desperation "Harbaugh good, Harbaugh do no wrong, Harbaugh treated unfair" piece. It's written like propaganda.

Also doesn't help that it comes from a 100% biased toward Michigan writer.
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I honestly don't give these "bombshell" defense pieces any credit.

As I said if this was some incredibly common practice that everyone knew about they wouldn't be falling all over themselves about it. You have never heard about any coaches etc excessively commenting on USC paying players or the shit Miami was doing either. Because everyone had a guy or guys that were doing that.

This is unique in the kind of response we've seen in that it provided a large competitive advantage other teams weren't seeking out.
 
stakesarehigh said:
I honestly don't give these "bombshell" defense pieces any credit.

As I said if this was some incredibly common practice that everyone knew about they wouldn't be falling all over themselves about it. You have never heard about any coaches etc excessively commenting on USC paying players or the shit Miami was doing either. Because everyone had a guy or guys that were doing that.

This is unique in the kind of response we've seen in that it provided a large competitive advantage other teams weren't seeking out.
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If Michigan really had some kind of earth shattering evidence of cheating by everyone else, they woulda dropped it long ago, not make it a last ditch effort at the midnight hour attempt.
 
stakesarehigh said:
I honestly don't give these "bombshell" defense pieces any credit.

As I said if this was some incredibly common practice that everyone knew about they wouldn't be falling all over themselves about it. You have never heard about any coaches etc excessively commenting on USC paying players or the shit Miami was doing either. Because everyone had a guy or guys that were doing that.

This is unique in the kind of response we've seen in that it provided a large competitive advantage other teams weren't seeking out.
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There would be freaking out already leaking from the other schools if it were really some "damning info". Ohio State insiders from what I see are laughing and saying it's a joke.
 
Seems like maybe the AP article is a attempt to try to somewhat sway public perception more in Michigan's favor. I doubt it has much real teeth to it if the B1G knew about it and carried on anyway.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Seems like maybe the AP article is a attempt to try to somewhat sway public perception more in Michigan's favor. I doubt it has much real teeth to it if the B1G knew about it and carried on anyway.
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There's no doubt it was released right before the disciplinary notice from the B1G. The NCAA formally announcing no OSU connection is probably even more devastating to their fanbase though.
 
Across The Field said:
There's no doubt it was released right before the disciplinary notice from the B1G. The NCAA formally announcing no OSU connection is probably even more devastating to their fanbase though.
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Took a stroll to their messages board and twitter. They are either ignoring it or claiming the B1G is covering up for Ohio State
 
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