More Michigan Cheating

WhosYourDawggy said:
Dude is one of the dumbest posters I’ve ever seen on a sports board. Imagine how hard that is.
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Back at you big fella. It's amazing how your bias has lead you to not even understand something as simple as how rules work. You can't infer something is illegal because that's what they meant to say but didn't write down. The NCAA will almost certainly adjust the rulebook after this; and for a reason.
 
Red_Alert said:
maze&blew just regurgitates what he/she/they/them reads on MGoBlue.

Been wrong about everything for 233 pages, but keeps plugging away. :dhd:
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I'm quoting the NCAA rule book. I have been since the start of this. The NCAA rule does not ban 3rd parties or even boosters from recording signs. I can go to a Nebraska game, record your signals and give them to the Michigan staff. This is a perfectly legal action.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
I'm quoting the NCAA rule book. I have been since the start of this. The NCAA rule does not ban 3rd parties or even boosters from recording signs. I can go to a Nebraska game, record your signals and give them to the Michigan staff. This is a perfectly legal action.
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If what you're saying is true, what was the point of he investigation? What was the point of the NOA?
 
Across The Field said:
If what you're saying is true, what was the point of he investigation? What was the point of the NOA?
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Well there certainly seems to be some evidence that he attended games in person. THAT is a direct rule violation -- which I've maintained from very early in this thread. Even doing that once would lead to an investigation.

I think the NCAA may even try to say that 3rd party agents are a rule violation; and if that is the case I think Michigan may accept it depending on the penalty just to make it go away. I suspect if their entire case is built around that, and they try to enforce more strict punishments, then you'd see a legal fight come out of this.

Either way, the NCAA is going to change rules/language because of this.

There's also an interesting take on the CMU thing as well. If CMU hired stallions to help them on the sidelines, as there is evidence of, which school is he an employee of? if you're employed on the sideline of both to do a legal job, does that count as in person scouting against the other school?
 
Across The Field said:
Ryan Day beats 10-3 Notre Dame: Calls out the idiotic fossil that personally criticized him after beating his team
Sherrone Moore beats 10-3 Penn State: Literally cries and swears on air about Harbaugh serving a suspension he deserved

LOL at "big game". It was the same win, only your coach sobbed like an infant.
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Yeah -- same win. One coach found out the day of the game, he'd be the head coach for his 1st game ever, in a top 10 battle on the road during a national championship season. The other was worried about telling an 85 year old former coach his team is tough for winning by a FG.

Ohio Soft logic is something else.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Well there certainly seems to be some evidence that he attended games in person. THAT is a direct rule violation -- which I've maintained from very early in this thread. Even doing that once would lead to an investigation.

I think the NCAA may even try to say that 3rd party agents are a rule violation; and if that is the case I think Michigan may accept it depending on the penalty just to make it go away. I suspect if their entire case is built around that, and they try to enforce more strict punishments, then you'd see a legal fight come out of this.

Either way, the NCAA is going to change rules/language because of this.

There's also an interesting take on the CMU thing as well. If CMU hired stallions to help them on the sidelines, as there is evidence of, which school is he an employee of? if you're employed on the sideline of both to do a legal job, does that count as in person scouting against the other school?
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I mean, Harbaugh gave him the game ball from the Iowa game in 2022, it's an extreme stretch to say he didn't know that he was committing direct rule violations. Either he knew or he is genuinely the dumbest person on the planet. Given the fact he's already lied about having knowledge of a meeting he attended with proof/receipts, I'm going to guess it's the former. Also why would former assistants be working on making a deal in light of the NOA?
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Yeah -- same win. One coach found out the day of the game, he'd be the head coach for his 1st game ever, in a top 10 battle on the road during a national championship season. The other was worried about telling an 85 year old former coach his team is tough for winning by a FG.

Ohio Soft logic is something else.
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LOL he is currently your head coach and has been with michigan since 2018, dumbass. You're making it sound like he was some band member that they plucked from the stands. FYI, Day also won a top 10 battle on the road. Again, same caliber of win. Day celebrates it by triumphantly responding to dumbass Holtz on his own field while Moore literally sobs like an infant who can't control his emotions.

I see you've moved onto another benign insult that nobody else finds funny but you, good job little bro. michigan continues to be Auburn to Ohio State's Alabama. Enjoy your return to mediocrity this year.
 
Across The Field said:
I mean, Harbaugh gave him the game ball from the Iowa game in 2022, it's an extreme stretch to say he didn't know that he was committing direct rule violations. Either he knew or he is genuinely the dumbest person on the planet. Given the fact he's already lied about having knowledge of a meeting he attended with proof/receipts, I'm going to guess it's the former. Also why would former assistants be working on making a deal in light of the NOA?
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I don't understand your logic here. Sign stealing is legal. He was hired to steal signs. Harbaugh gave him the game ball because he clearly was good at it.

Former assistants are working with the NCAA because 1. They're no longer associated with the school and 2. According to the "leaked" draft, there were violations entirely separate from this that they uncovered while digging. I think it said recruiting violations?
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
The NCAA calls out situations where this is illegal. You are wrong.

Example, the NCAA defines a booster as an individual, agency, or organization that supports an institution's athletic program. This is specifically called out so, say, a coach can't have an unpaid fan recruiting for them in every illegal way.

Back at you big fella. It's amazing how your bias has lead you to not even understand something as simple as how rules work. You can't infer something is illegal because that's what they meant to say but didn't write down. The NCAA will almost certainly adjust the rulebook after this; and for a reason.
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I am a lawyer. I understand exactly how "agency" works. I can't emphasize how idiotic it is that you think that UM can excuse the conduct of a staff member on their payroll by saying, "well, he gave money to have third parties we weren't paying to do it for him" and because you haven't specified this exact scenario (which may or may not be true), you can't penalize us.

If you really think that, you are genuinely the dimwit I believe you to be.

For your information, "In law, agency is a legal relationship between a principal and an agent where the agent acts on the principal's behalf and under their control. The principal is liable for the agent's actions, which is known as the Latin phrase respondeat superior."

The idea that a governing body has to define every relationship, like "boosters," or else the relation can do whatever they please and not be held accountable is laughable. Not surprising that you don't understand that, dimwit.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Back at you big fella. It's amazing how your bias has lead you to not even understand something as simple as how rules work. You can't infer something is illegal because that's what they meant to say but didn't write down. The NCAA will almost certainly adjust the rulebook after this; and for a reason.
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I assure you that "agency" is part of the rulebook, dimwit.
 
Connor Stallions being a better coach than Ryan Day 3 years in a row isn’t a conversation people are ready for.

:harbaugh:
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I am a lawyer. I understand exactly how "agency" works. I can't emphasize how idiotic it is that you think that UM can excuse the conduct of a staff member on their payroll by saying, "well, he gave money to have third parties we weren't paying to do it for him" and because you haven't specified this exact scenario (which may or may not be true), you can't penalize us.

If you really think that, you are genuinely the dimwit I believe you to be.

For your information, "In law, agency is a legal relationship between a principal and an agent where the agent acts on the principal's behalf and under their control. The principal is liable for the agent's actions, which is known as the Latin phrase respondeat superior."

The idea that a governing body has to define every relationship, like "boosters," or else the relation can do whatever they please and not be held accountable is laughable. Not surprising that you don't understand that, dimwit.
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We aren't talking about laws. We're talking about rules. And how "agency" is regulated in the rule of law is entirely different than how it's regulated within an organization like the NCAA. The NCAA is an organization with rules that all of these schools and universities have agreed upon. Things not listed are legal. This is how Harbaugh got away with satellite camps as ways to get around recruiting regulations; until the NCAA changed the rules. The NCAA does, in fact, have to define every single broad instance.

The NCAA does regulate agency -- which is why there's a whole section around boosters, definitions on who counts as university employees, boosters, ect. And regulates their actions, especially around recruiting. It's why I, as a defined University booster, couldn't (5 years ago) offer a recruit $50k to attend Michigan.

The NCAA rule says institutional employees are regulated in how they scout teams and it even goes as far as to define institutional employees. That definition does not include private contracts between an individual associated with the institution and one who isn't - or simply acquaintances performing this; nor does the rule attempt to regulate that. Which is why, to this day, I (as a defined university booster) can go to a Georgia game, record all the signals, even scout Georgia to the best of my abilities, and give that information over to every single team in the SEC. This is legal for the same reason that having any third party scout a team, is legal.

Now this is a clear loophole that the NCAA might argue against, and even issue rule violations over. Like I said, Michigan could fight it if it comes to that - but my guess is that they're going to say these are secondary violations, Michigan is going to accept that as the lesser of two evils and move on with the minor punishment for those "violations". After which, the NCAA will modify the rule to be more clear (or we'll see in person scouting become legal).
 
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WhosYourDawggy said:
I assure you that "agency" is part of the rulebook, dimwit.
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It is for specific parts. It absolutely isn't in terms of a large concept that applies to the entire thing...but feel free to cite that if you think it exists.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
I don't understand your logic here. Sign stealing is legal. He was hired to steal signs. Harbaugh gave him the game ball because he clearly was good at it.

Former assistants are working with the NCAA because 1. They're no longer associated with the school and 2. According to the "leaked" draft, there were violations entirely separate from this that they uncovered while digging. I think it said recruiting violations?
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Well see, now I'm confused. For so long you just said he was some "low level staffer" and downplayed the importance of what he was doing (which was illegally giving michigan an advantage):
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
My favorite thing is that some people have truly convinced themselves it had an impact on the field
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Now you're saying Harbaugh gave him a game ball because he was so important to the team's success, and of course we know he was operating illegally to give michigan an advantage.

So which is it?
 
michaeljordan_fan said:
He might need to beg AlaskaGvy to come back just to make him look better.
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You summoned him incorrectly
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Across The Field said:
LOL he is currently your head coach and has been with michigan since 2018, dumbass. You're making it sound like he was some band member that they plucked from the stands. FYI, Day also won a top 10 battle on the road. Again, same caliber of win. Day celebrates it by triumphantly responding to dumbass Holtz on his own field while Moore literally sobs like an infant who can't control his emotions.

I see you've moved onto another benign insult that nobody else finds funny but you, good job little bro. michigan continues to be Auburn to Ohio State's Alabama. Enjoy your return to mediocrity this year.
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Day has won plenty of big games but he has been pretty unlucky too. I mean they lost their best player while in control vs that Georgia team. If that doesn't happen he is holding a trophy up and none of this is being talked about but shit happens. He has a bad QB away from beating that scUM team. Mccord threw two costly picks that decided that game and Ohio St didn't even play their best. Moore is nothing more than a motivator, he isn't a head coach. He won't last long.
 
Across The Field said:
Well see, now I'm confused. For so long you just said he was some "low level staffer" and downplayed the importance of what he was doing (which was illegally giving michigan an advantage):


Now you're saying Harbaugh gave him a game ball because he was so important to the team's success, and of course we know he was operating illegally to give michigan an advantage.

So which is it?
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He is a low level staffer. He's one of the (what) 4 analyst positions they're allowed? By definition that's a low level staffer. He was hired to steal signs. He stole signs.

I'm sure there's a reason for him giving him the ball, my guess is that Stallions helped on a pivotal drive or play? But again, sign stealing is legal. There's nothing about that in which would alert anyone to how he was gathering information.
 
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