More Michigan Cheating

osubuckeye89 said:
I think once it comes out we are going to hear from at least a couple of other programs (outside of the B1G) who may have good evidence that Michigan cheated or tried to cheat them as well. Tennessee already has good evidence that Stallions basically handed their playbook over to South Carolina to derail their 2022 season.

If this is really AS BAD as it could be, I doubt Michigan flinging accusations at anyone is going to work, it's just going to be seen as pathetic deflection attempts.
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Take it for what it's worth, but this was posted 9/10 months before the story broke publicly:

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osubuckeye89 said:
If the computer crimes stuff is indeed true and Michigan somehow obtained access to Ohio State's practice video server, the program should be burnt to the ground.
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I don't know about that, but there should be people that are criminally punished.
 
Voltaire said:
... and y'all couldn't defend against. A runner on 2nd, a catcher will change the signs. Maybe my dumb ass could coach football in college.
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In your example, the runner on second would have someone standing next to him who had sent people to the opponent's games in advance to watch when the runner was on second to see what the signs were changed to, then relayed that information to the runner. Hope that helps clear it up.
 
Red_Alert said:
maze&blew getting his mental gymnastics warmed up...

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You mean for the fake shit? OSU fans have been trying to connect this to Weis from the start.

Look. Even if the football aspect of that claim is true, it’s not a whole lot different than what we already know. IE if Weis was involved….so what? So stallions and Weis get show causes?
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
You mean for the fake shit? OSU fans have been trying to connect this to Weis from the start.

Look. Even if the football aspect of that claim is true, it’s not a whole lot different than what we already know. IE if Weis was involved….so what? So stallions and Weis get show causes?
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I am certain that's all you are hoping for.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
What’s different about what we already know?
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Up to this point I believe it had only been proven it was Big Ten teams, but this would pretty clearly demonstrate it wasn't confined to just those games, meaning their could have been even more we don't know about yet, which would further demonstrate the level 1 LOIC claim.
 
Across The Field said:
Up to this point I believe it had only been proven it was Big Ten teams, but this would pretty clearly demonstrate it wasn't confined to just those games, meaning their could have been even more we don't know about yet, which would further demonstrate the level 1 LOIC claim.
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I’m not sure that matters. In person scouting is only illegal for future opponents in the same season. Correct?
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
I’m not sure that matters. In person scouting is only illegal for future opponents in the same season. Correct?
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Not sure the NCAA would look kindly on scouting potential CFP opponents illegally given the scope of the rest of the investigation. Again, speaks pretty strongly to LOIC.
 
Across The Field said:
But you said this is exactly what you wanted. It was your words. You said you wanted michigan to go the A&M route, but now you think it's "pathetic"?

Wild that you don't think cheating to win is pathetic, but you are a true michigan man.

Also OSU hasn't done anything close to A&M, considering A&M hasn't even ever had a top 10 portal class while we have with only 7 players, but you don't really know football, so it tracks. Let me guess - when Harbaugh brought in 9 transfers last year, that was somehow different?
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When people compare Ohio Soft to A&M -- it is about buying players, nothing to do with "portal classes". Why you do you think when ESPN and CBS is writing articles about Ohio Soft the last few days -- it starts with Ohio Soft's 20+ million dollar team?!?

The elite programs don't have to do that -- the top players just want to go there and know they will earn their NIL, while competing for championships. Schools like Miami, A&M, Tennessee -- programs who haven't won anything in a long time are the schools buying players.............and now Ohio Soft.
 
Across The Field said:
Not sure the NCAA would look kindly on scouting potential CFP opponents illegally given the scope of the rest of the investigation. Again, speaks pretty strongly to LOIC.
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I think it's not even questionably illegal to go scout teams that aren't on your schedule. The NCAA rule "prohibits off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents during the same season"

I think the only thing that would be potentially an issue is if you were scouting teams you *might* play in a bowl game at some point. Not sure how the NCAA would handle that. They specifically call out "future opponents" and not "future and potential opponents" -- during the same season.

So as I read it, unless a team is confirmed on your schedule for that season, it's totally legal to scout them in person.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
You mean for the fake shit? OSU fans have been trying to connect this to Weis from the start.

Look. Even if the football aspect of that claim is true, it’s not a whole lot different than what we already know. IE if Weis was involved….so what? So stallions and Weis get show causes?
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LOL

Those clowns are long gone. They'll never work in CFB again.
What remains is Michigan's athletic department, and that's who the NCAA's gonna take a bite out of.

Lack of Institutional Control
Failure to Comply
Insufficient Monitoring
Repeat Offender

"MiCHiGaN DiD nOtHiNg WrOnG. iF ThEy hAd TeH NCAA wOuLd hAvE GiVeN tHeM A NoTiCe oF aLLeGaTiOnS" - maze&blew (Fall 2023)
 
Red_Alert said:
LOL

Those clowns are long gone. They'll never work in CFB again.
What remains is Michigan's athletic department, and that's who the NCAA's gonna take a bite out of.

Lack of Institutional Control
Failure to Comply
Insufficient Monitoring
Repeat Offender

"MiCHiGaN DiD nOtHiNg WrOnG. iF ThEy hAd TeH NCAA wOuLd hAvE GiVeN tHeM A NoTiCe oF aLLeGaTiOnS" - maze&blew (Fall 2023)
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According to the Netflix series, the NCAA is seeking a 3 year show cause for Stallions. I'm going to bet he'll be working in college again in 3 years.

Michigan will get some sort of fine, maybe recruiting limitations (because of the other recruiting related violations), a bunch of former staff will get a show cause (mostly for non-compliance) and Moore might get a suspension for the deleted text message thing?

Meh.

Again, I don't think Michigan did anything wrong with the initial violations. I think they were clearly operating in a grey area -- unless they have proof of the Stallions on the CMU sidelines thing and I've maintained that is a rule violation if it were in fact him. But they're definitely going to hit certain people and the school for things like Stallions not cooperating with the investigation. I think those are actually going to result in the more significant fines/punishments.

As I said when the draft notice leaked to ESPN, you'll note that there wasn't "52 level 1 violations for in person scouting" listed anywhere in that leak.
 
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