More Michigan Cheating

PSU?

I think they did, and when the NCAA releases their findings that will be the explanation you seek.
What makes you think that? This is beginning to sound a lot like Trump/Russian Collusion. If it is repeated enough, it must be true. I automatically this there was some truth to Michigan in-person scouting and signal decoding, because Harbaugh was suspended for it. I am not a denier, I just think it is getting blown out of proportion.
 
All of those seasons were on par with multiple seasons we had prior -- the ONLY difference is that we beat Ohio State. I simply don't believe that information gathering was the major thing that took down Ohio State. Especially when Ohio State admitted to changing signals in 2022 AND had two months to modify their approach to any prior known data in 2023. Stop whining. You lost.
Literally none of those seasons were on par with any prior seasons. Before 2021, Hoke had more 11 win seasons than Harbaugh at michigan. You had one season of double digit wins in the previous four, then won 12 out of nowhere.

Also, the OSU staffer that was quoted even made note that during the game, he looked over at Stallions reviewing his sheet of calls. If we changed our signals and Stallions didn't have anything, how could he have had any information to review? He said OSU "changed things up" but obviously Stallions still had everything (not to mention the continuous conversation about michigan having OSU practice film).
 
So basically, unless we have qualified accusations, then we must have a presumption of innocence during the aforementioned time span. Thank you for your cooperation.
Nope. The cat is out of the bag here. All the rumors of michigan's involvement in this have come to fruition. Remember a few months ago when michigan fans were saying there wasn't even going to be a NOA? Now here we are.
 
What makes you think that? This is beginning to sound a lot like Trump/Russian Collusion. If it is repeated enough, it must be true. I automatically this there was some truth to Michigan in-person scouting and signal decoding, because Harbaugh was suspended for it. I am not a denier, I just think it is getting blown out of proportion.
What makes me think that is UM leaked the first NOA to try to get ahead of it. Now they are suddenly VERY tight with the latest and official NOA. Doesn't take a lot of brainpower to figure out why. It's bad and there isn't a defense, so their tactic will be to wait the full 90 days to respond which gets them most of the way through this season before it all comes crashing down.
 
HN has been accused of a lot of things, but being a court of law has never been one of those names :suds:

What accusations against UM do you feel are not "qualified"?
Actually, I am not claiming anything, except my ignorance. I would like to accuse ohio state of cheating for many years, but that doesn't make it so. ohio state should not have to defend itself against my baseless, moronic accusations.

I thought Moore cried (tears of joy) after beating ohio state (I know I did)!!!
 
Nope. The cat is out of the bag here. All the rumors of michigan's involvement in this have come to fruition. Remember a few months ago when michigan fans were saying there wasn't even going to be a NOA? Now here we are.
I was actually thinking of the time span from Maryland to Washington.
 
I was actually thinking of the time span from Maryland to Washington.
I'm aware. Again, we know michigan was cheating, it's just a matter of how many people were in on it and how much information they were able to acquire (and if anything further was being done after Stallions was canned).
 
Literally none of those seasons were on par with any prior seasons. Before 2021, Hoke had more 11 win seasons than Harbaugh at michigan. You had one season of double digit wins in the previous four, then won 12 out of nowhere.

Also, the OSU staffer that was quoted even made note that during the game, he looked over at Stallions reviewing his sheet of calls. If we changed our signals and Stallions didn't have anything, how could he have had any information to review? He said OSU "changed things up" but obviously Stallions still had everything (not to mention the continuous conversation about michigan having OSU practice film).
Nonsense. Again, the only difference was beating Ohio State. In 2015, 2016, 2018 or 2019 Michigan would have had an almost identical season to 2021-2022....had we beat Ohio State. This "didn't come out of nowhere" as Ohio State fans are claiming. Harbaugh had 3 ten win seasons at Michigan prior to 2020. Multiple seasons where the B10 title came down to the Ohio State game. The difference is that we lost it; and in 2016 we were inches away from winning it. In 2018 we were close to winning it with our 3rd string QB. This wasn't something magical or new. Michigan completely re-tooled our coaching staff, finally hit on a QB and that QB stayed for a year longer than most would.
 
Actually, I am not claiming anything, except my ignorance. I would like to accuse ohio state of cheating for many years, but that doesn't make it so. ohio state should not have to defend itself against my baseless, moronic accusations.

I thought Moore cried (tears of joy) after beating ohio state (I know I did)!!!
Well you claiming it against OSU would actually have some legs if, you know, OSU was formally investigated and served an NOA for doing the cheating you think they did.

Also Moore cried after Penn State, not OSU (at least not from what I saw).
 
Stop obfuscating, you cheated.
Nothing of the sort. By that standard of "cheated" any team who commits a pass interference on the way to winning the game "cheated".
 
Actually, I am not claiming anything, except my ignorance. I would like to accuse ohio state of cheating for many years, but that doesn't make it so. ohio state should not have to defend itself against my baseless, moronic accusations.

I thought Moore cried (tears of joy) after beating ohio state (I know I did)!!!
Maybe he did, but this is what I remember


"We won this game we were picked to win by everyone for you!" :L
 
Nothing of the sort. By that standard of "cheated" any team who commits a pass interference on the way to winning the game "cheated".
LOL. Quoting this one quick before you can undo it.

Now you are equating an in person, advanced scouting system to on field pass interference. Great stuff.
 
Nonsense. Again, the only difference was beating Ohio State. In 2015, 2016, 2018 or 2019 Michigan would have had an almost identical season to 2021-2022....had we beat Ohio State. This "didn't come out of nowhere" as Ohio State fans are claiming. Harbaugh had 3 ten win seasons at Michigan prior to 2020. Multiple seasons where the B10 title came down to the Ohio State game.
We also know one specific team was scouted far more than the others. Who do you suppose that was?

Yes, it completely came out of nowhere. Beating Ohio State came completely out of nowhere. Winning the Big Ten came completely out of nowhere. 2016 is the only season michigan came even close to winning the B1G. You could have in 2018 I think but instead we thoroughly destroyed you. Two of Harbaugh's 10 win teams were from using Hoke's recruits in his first two seasons. Harbaugh himself was a monumental disappointment who was on the hot seat until Stallions came along and that's not debatable.
 
LOL. Quoting this one quick before you can undo it.

Now you are equating an in person, advanced scouting system to on field pass interference. Great stuff.
Same level of offense in my opinion. Pass INT actually has more of an impact on the actual game. Neither is cheating in the sense that you're trying to use it.
 
Well you claiming it against OSU would actually have some legs if, you know, OSU was formally investigated and served an NOA for doing the cheating you think they did.
In order to prove a point, I said my accusation against were "baseless and moronic".
Also Moore cried after Penn State, not OSU (at least not from what I saw).
On the above ... I was wrong. I already implied that, but I will say it straight out so y'all don't get confused.
 
Same level of offense in my opinion. Pass INT actually has more of an impact on the actual game. Neither is cheating in the sense that you're trying to use it.
But in your opinion, two grown men voluntarily getting into a bar fight is the exact same thing as a small woman being sexually assaulted by a much larger man, so your opinion is dogshit.
 
We also know one specific team was scouted far more than the others. Who do you suppose that was?

Yes, it completely came out of nowhere. Beating Ohio State came completely out of nowhere. Winning the Big Ten came completely out of nowhere. 2016 is the only season michigan came even close to winning the B1G. You could have in 2018 I think but instead we thoroughly destroyed you. Two of Harbaugh's 10 win teams were from using Hoke's recruits in his first two seasons. Harbaugh himself was a monumental disappointment who was on the hot seat until Stallions came along and that's not debatable.
lol no it didn't. As I mentioned multiple instances where Michigan was an arm's length away from doing it. Ohio State was bound to get caught at some point, and the coaching change between Urban and Ryan Day was it. You no longer have an elite coach. You still have elite players, but without an elite coach you're beatable. He makes bad in game decisions, like punting inside Michigan territory (thanks for that BTW). Urban would have never

The biggest difference in the rivalry really wasn't Michigan, it was Ohio State hiring a high school coach.
 
In order to prove a point, I said my accusation against were "baseless and moronic".

On the above ... I was wrong. I already implied that, but I will say it straight out so y'all don't get confused.
Understood. I wasn't trying to take a dig about the game Moore cried, it's pretty irrelevant. The point was, he cried and cursed like an overly emotional kid because Harbaugh was serving a suspension he deserved in a game michigan was favored to win. That's why he gets the criticism.
 
But in your opinion, two grown men voluntarily getting into a bar fight is the exact same thing as a small woman being sexually assaulted by a much larger man, so your opinion is dogshit.
In terms of crimes, they are in fact both crimes. Hope that helps.
 
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