More Michigan Cheating

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lol. No it’s not. Michigan arguing these are level II violations illustrates how non serious this actually is. That hammer is going to turn into a feather.
 
Remember when you didn’t understand that I was talking about someone screen grabbing a frame of that video via their phone? Still amazes me that you’re willing to bring up your stupidity like this.

Except that didn't happen. You didn't just argue with me you argued with two other posters that this was a screen grab. I know you think you are smart, but you continually showing the opposite with every post puts doubt in this.
 
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You don’t think the ncaa has to prove allegations? Weird.
Them getting the proof they need has been what this entire investigation was. michigan was just given the opportunity to prove them wrong once presented with the NOA, and it really sounds like they're doing an awful job of it. The NCAA isn't having to present this evidence to a higher power, they are the judge/jury/executioner. Do michigan fans not know this?
 
You don’t think the ncaa has to prove allegations? Weird.
I think it's closer to 'Preponderance of the evidence' because they don't even have subpoena power.
 
Except that didn't happen. You didn't just argue with me you argued with two other posters that this was a screen grab. I know you think you are smart, but you continually showing the opposite with every post puts doubt in this.
Jesus Christ. No. I didn’t. And it’s amazing you’re this dumb. I’ve actually gone back multiple times and shown you the original comment, which references a screenshot someone took on their phone of the video at the moment a blue light was seen. That is what this was talking about. Always has been but your dumb ass can’t get over the fact that someone took a screen grab of a video on their phone and tweeted it out. Because the original source was a video doesn’t negate the fact that from the start I’ve been referencing a viral screenshot of it.
 
I think it's closer to 'Preponderance of the evidence' because they don't even have subpoena power.
According to the articles, their entire evidence for in person scouting in all but 8 individual cases is that stallions bought a ticket to a game.

They actually came away with less evidence than the original claims when this blew up.
 
Them getting the proof they need has been what this entire investigation was. michigan was just given the opportunity to prove them wrong once presented with the NOA, and it really sounds like they're doing an awful job of it. The NCAA isn't having to present this evidence to a higher power, they are the judge/jury/executioner. Do michigan fans not know this?
And based on this article, it sounds like they didn’t get any proof. This now goes to an infractions committee - which is a 3rd party. So no, the NCAA isn’t the judge jury and executioner. They have to make the case now to this committee just like Michigan will have to, because no settlement was determined prior.

And based on these article, and if you believe Michigan, the ncaa came away with almost no evidence of the claims made early on. The real question is if they can talk those 8 proven cases of sign stealing down to minor infractions; which is significantly differential than the 100’s of cases claimed early in.
 
According to the articles, their entire evidence for in person scouting in all but 8 individual cases is that stallions bought a ticket to a game.

Circumstantial can be good enough for the NCAA should they choose it. Think that is what @cwerph is getting at. If they have 8 cases it happened then a bunch other times he purchased tickets they could easily say it's safe to assume he didn't go to those games for fun.

That doesn't hold up in court, but the NCAA isn't court
 
Jesus Christ. No. I didn’t. And it’s amazing you’re this dumb. I’ve actually gone back multiple times and shown you the original comment, which references a screenshot someone took on their phone of the video at the moment a blue light was seen. That is what this was talking about. Always has been but your dumb ass can’t get over the fact that someone took a screen grab of a video on their phone and tweeted it out. Because the original source was a video doesn’t negate the fact that from the start I’ve been referencing a viral screenshot of it.
Ohh, this not you?

Show me video of a blue flashy thing and not a screen grab. This is called confirmation bias. You want something to be true so you went looking for a way to make it. No, he wasn't wearing recording sunglasses.

You quite literally call my video a screen grab, get into it with red and BT about what a screen grab is. Thee only dumbass here is you maize.
 
I am going to break this down as simply as possible:

- Michigan cheated. That is not in dispute.
- A staffer in the Michigan football program instructed an intern to delete evidence of the scheme. That is not in dispute.
- An assistant coach who is now the head coach deleted 52 text messages between his phone and the staffer on the day the investigation became public. That is not in dispute.
- There were members of the Michigan coaching staff who were aware of the cheating scheme. An intern refused the staffer's instruction to rent a car to go record Georgia's signals in anticipation of a playoff meeting later in the year. The intern went to an assistant coach. That assistant coach went to the staffer and said, “You’re not using this kid in your signal organization stupid thing, so, like, just have him be a manager.” That is not in dispute.
- That same coach was fired for trying to influence the testimony of at least one Michigan player before the NCAA. That is not in dispute.
- The head coach refused to cooperate. That is not in dispute.
 
Circumstantial can be good enough for the NCAA should they choose it. Think that is what @cwerph is getting at. If they have 8 cases it happened then a bunch other times he purchased tickets they could easily say it's safe to assume he didn't go to those games for fun.

That doesn't hold up in court, but the NCAA isn't court
That will be up for the infractions committee to decide at this point I guess. But again, there's a lot of unanswered questions -- and specifically about what level of violations those end up being individually. A lot of the major infractions were either related to being "repeat" offenders for staff members or procedural things like the deletion of the recovered texts.
 
I am going to break this down as simply as possible:

- Michigan cheated. That is not in dispute.
- A staffer in the Michigan football program instructed an intern to delete evidence of the scheme. That is not in dispute.
- An assistant coach who is now the head coach deleted 52 text messages between his phone and the staffer on the day the investigation became public. That is not in dispute.
- There were members of the Michigan coaching staff who were aware of the cheating scheme. An intern refused the staffer's instruction to rent a car to go record Georgia's signals in anticipation of a playoff meeting later in the year. The intern went to an assistant coach. That assistant coach went to the staffer and said, “You’re not using this kid in your signal organization stupid thing, so, like, just have him be a manager.” That is not in dispute.
- That same coach was fired for trying to influence the testimony of at least one Michigan player before the NCAA. That is not in dispute.
This is under dispute. Michigan broke the rules. A lot of teams break rules. How many teams report secondary violations every year? Does that equal cheating? Are these major infractions or minor infractions? There's a lot we just don't know.

There were members of the Michigan coaching staff who were aware of the cheating scheme.
And no, this is in fact not true. Michigan clearly refutes this in their claim back to the NCAA.

Importantly, Michigan claims that producing phone, computer and other data have yet to reveal any evidence that "any coaches were aware of, much less participated in" Stalions' scheme.
 
This is under dispute. Michigan broke the rules. A lot of teams break rules. How many teams report secondary violations every year? Does that equal cheating? Are these major infractions or minor infractions? There's a lot we just don't know.

There were members of the Michigan coaching staff who were aware of the cheating scheme.
And no, this is in fact not true. Michigan clearly refutes this in their claim back to the NCAA.
Michigan assistant coach - “You’re not using this kid in your signal organization stupid thing, so, like, just have him be a manager.”

Michigan - "Our staff didn't know what Stalions was doing."

These are contradictory statements.

NCAA gets to determine who is telling the truth.
 
I see it is the offseason again, and michigan fans are delusional in thinking everyone else is fucking retarded enough to think they went from irrevelvant to champs without cheating and then crashed back to irrelevant once they were caught cheating.

Yup, it's all just one big coincidence.
 
That will be up for the infractions committee to decide at this point I guess. But again, there's a lot of unanswered questions -- and specifically about what level of violations those end up being individually. A lot of the major infractions were either related to being "repeat" offenders for staff members or procedural things like the deletion of the recovered texts.

Absolutely. There always is in these things. There were all kinds of unanswered questions in the NCAA's case against USC involving Reggie Bush. Didn't stop them. The fake classes thing at UNC, that didn't stop them, or at least slow them to a crawl. Cam Newton's payment at Auburn, the list goes on and on.

Biggest thing Michigan has going for them is the lack of power the NCAA has left. If this were 2010 or earlier, they probably would have already been punished
 
Ohh, this not you?



You quite literally call my video a screen grab, get into it with red and BT about what a screen grab is. Thee only dumbass here is you maize.
It's very clear we were talking about two very different things. There's a video. There's a screenshot of the video with the blue light. I went back and looked and it does look like you did post the video prior to that post, but prior to the video post I had been referencing a screenshot of said video. I'm not sure how you still don't understand that? At no point was I intentionally calling a video a screenshot.
 
I see it is the offseason again, and michigan fans are delusional in thinking everyone else is fucking retarded enough to think they went from irrevelvant to champs without cheating and then crashed back to irrelevant once they were caught cheating.

Yup, it's all just one big coincidence.
I find it fascinating you believe this. Weird that it carried on after this mastermind quit, huh? You know, where we won all of our most important games without a head coach or stallions on the sideline? And I think we recovered pretty well this year from losing 13 NFL draft picks and an entire coaching staff in one offseason, followed through by beating Ohio state and Alabama again after a rough break-in period for an entirely new staff and roster.

I also think people tend to forget that Michigan wasn't bad prior to 2021. We had a bad covid year but Harbaugh had 3 ten win seasons before 2020.
 
Absolutely. There always is in these things. There were all kinds of unanswered questions in the NCAA's case against USC involving Reggie Bush. Didn't stop them. The fake classes thing at UNC, that didn't stop them, or at least slow them to a crawl. Cam Newton's payment at Auburn, the list goes on and on.

Biggest thing Michigan has going for them is the lack of power the NCAA has left. If this were 2010 or earlier, they probably would have already been punished
The NCAA of today is not the NCAA of the reggie bush era -- see them returning his shit. If these are found to be level 2 violations, this may very literally turn into a nothingburger. I think the biggest thing they might get us on is the actual nothingburger combined with this for "repeat" offenders. But I suspect that will target more the school with fines and scholarship reductions than anything else.
 
It's very clear we were talking about two very different things. There's a video. There's a screenshot of the video with the blue light. I went back and looked and it does look like you did post the video prior to that post, but prior to the video post I had been referencing a screenshot of said video. I'm not sure how you still don't understand that? At no point was I intentionally calling a video a screenshot.
Is this your way of apologizing and admitting you were wrong?

We weren’t talking about two different things dummie. You literally called my post of the video on Twitter a screen grab. While also (confidently) saying the blue light on the glasses was a scoreboard reflection. lololololol

Dumbass
 
Is this your way of apologizing and admitting you were wrong?

We weren’t talking about two different things dummie. You literally called my post of the video on Twitter a screen grab. While also (confidently) saying the blue light on the glasses was a scoreboard reflection. lololololol

Dumbass
*dummy

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