More Michigan Cheating

Across The Field said:
What you just said made 0 sense. Word for word, it says "Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited". The next two bylaws do not by any means absolve michigan of wrongdoing if they used material that was acquired in violation of 11.6.1. You are trying to bend words to make it seem like it's a loophole, but it's not. If they used recordings that were obtained through illegal means, they've violated this rule. Somehow every single person can see that except you.
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The two exceptions were added later, and imply that the main section they are sub-sections to also are talking about institutional staff members. The first section is about what institutional staff members can't do, the sub-sections are what they can do. They are bonded literally by being in the same section together.

If you are suggesting that the first section applies to everyone, associated with the University or not, then there would be a host of violations on any given saturday. Which is exactly why this section only specifically applies to institutional staff members. It also brings up the question of how someone not associated with the University can have "future opponents"?
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Buying tickets makes you an institutional staff member?
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Arguing semantics that a person employed by the University or volunteered is not a "institutional staff member". You lost, more BS excuses as is tradition.
 
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MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
The two exceptions were added later, and imply that the main section they are sub-sections to also are talking about institutional staff members. The first section is about what institutional staff members can't do, the sub-sections are what they can do. They are bonded literally by being in the same section together.

If you are suggesting that the first section applies to everyone, associated with the University or not, then there would be a host of violations on any given saturday. Which is exactly why this section only specifically applies to institutional staff members. It also brings up the question of how someone not associated with the University can have "future opponents"?
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You're still not getting it. Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited. This means no matter who is doing it, it is prohibited. That means if their coaching staff is using video that was obtained through this method, a violation has occurred. I need you to read and re-read my previous sentence, because it explains clearly why you are wrong. Did you really think you were going to get people to believe this wouldn't be the case?
 
Across The Field said:
You're still not getting it. Off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited. This means no matter who is doing it, it is prohibited. That means if their coaching staff is using video that was obtained through this method, a violation has occurred. I need you to read and re-read my previous sentence, because it explains clearly why you are wrong. Did you really think you were going to get people to believe this wouldn't be the case?
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Wrong
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
The entire paragraph, before and after, is referencing institutional staff members. It also simply doesn't make sense if that line isn't also applied to the same things every single line before and after is applied to. It doesn't make sense if that line applies to the population at large, and would make pretty much every school, and fans thereof, offenders of this. The NCAA would have a hell of a time arguing that it applies beyond institutional staff members, not only in the language they use in the subsection but also in how on earth that could possibly be applied.
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Keep gaslighting and using mental gymnastics.

11.6.1 says nothing about "institutional staff members".
The term "in-person" scouting was used to prevent anybody and everybody from doing it. That's why they used "person".
They omitted the phrase "institutional staff members" from the rule to prevent circumvention of the rule like Michigan's been doing.

Regarding "the population at large" being "offenders".... The typical fan at a game is there to support their own team against a current opponent whether that be at a home or away game.

Even if they were exclusively videoing the opponents sideline signals, it would be a current opponent not a future opponent. Therefore no offense.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Why don't teams just yell out the plays to the QB on the field if It's of no discernable advantage for the other team to know the play ahead of time.
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If you know who Marc Givler is, apparently there's more coming out this evening that he's going to be sharing. Not sure what level it will be or who it will involve, but one thing is for sure - it doesn't sound like this is going away any time soon.
 
Across The Field said:
If you know who Marc Givler is, apparently there's more coming out this evening that he's going to be sharing. Not sure what level it will be or who it will involve, but one thing is for sure - it doesn't sound like this is going away any time soon.
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Oh it's only going to get worse, it's not going away at all.

I can't wait to see who the first Michigan man to start throwing people under the bus is. Buckle up gonna be some prime comedy upcoming.
 
The CJ Stroud audible reaction is no where on the planet of normal behavior

It's laughable to argue otherwise
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
The two exceptions were added later, and imply that the main section they are sub-sections to also are talking about institutional staff members. The first section is about what institutional staff members can't do, the sub-sections are what they can do. They are bonded literally by being in the same section together.

If you are suggesting that the first section applies to everyone, associated with the University or not, then there would be a host of violations on any given saturday. Which is exactly why this section only specifically applies to institutional staff members. It also brings up the question of how someone not associated with the University can have "future opponents"?
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No there wouldn't because on "any given Saturday" fans are at a current game.

If I (in-person) with zero affiliation to the Nebraska football program were to spend my own money on a ticket, travel, lodging, meals, to go to the Minnesota/Michigan St game this Saturday (Oct 28th) and exclusively video Michigan St's sideline signals and sent it to the Nebraska staff for the Nov 4th Nebraska/Michigan St game, and Nebraska willfully accepted and used it for game prep, then it would be a violation of the rule by the Nebraska program, but not by me.

That is entirely different than what Michigan was doing. Their sending a "person" was planned with intent. Someone within the Michigan football program was buying the tickets (who knows whatever else) for someone else to "in-person" scout a future opponent's sideline signals.

That is the entire purpose of 11.6.1
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Oh it's only going to get worse, it's not going away at all.

I can't wait to see who the first Michigan man to start throwing people under the bus is. Buckle up gonna be some prime comedy upcoming.
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You can be sure that every Michigan opponent has been reviewing stadium film prior to their games with Michigan to see who was sitting in the seats bought by Conner Stalions and what they were doing.

Big 10 teams are likely working together on this for the NCAA and Big 10 investigations.

"CoLLeGe sTaDiUmS DoN'T hAvE CaMeRaS gOOd EnOuGh tO Do tHaT ThO" - maze&blew
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
It isn't. Michigan adjusting to an audible called by Ohio State, in a very clear passing formation and motioning the secondary to back up, is something any team should be able to do on normal scouting.

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If you can't beat the best...cheat. Pretty clear. Harbaugh got desperate and it could cost him his job.

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stakesarehigh said:
The CJ Stroud audible reaction is no where on the planet of normal behavior

It's laughable to argue otherwise
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Why are they looking at the sidelines and they immediately making signals and changes? Shouldn't they be looking at the formation and players? Extremely suspicious, nothing about it makes sense.
 
Red_Alert said:
You can be sure that every Michigan opponent has been reviewing stadium film prior to their games with Michigan to see who was sitting in the seats bought by Conner Stalions and what they were doing.

Big 10 teams are likely working together on this for the NCAA and Big 10 investigations.

"CoLLeGe sTaDiUmS DoN'T hAvE CaMeRaS gOOd EnOuGh tO Do tHaT ThO" - maze&blew
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I think the UM should be afraid of the B1G and the CFP. The NCAA may wait to act, but the other two may feel a need to protect the sanctity of fair competition. I can see enough B1G ADs/Presidents who might be willing to stick to a cheating program once they find out that they were scouting all their away games.
 
Shanemansj13 said:
Why are they looking at the sidelines and they immediately making signals and changes? Shouldn't they be looking at the formation and players? Extremely suspicious, nothing about it makes sense.
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Eggzactly.
 
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