More Michigan Cheating

[fishinabarrel]

What happens if Michigan is just like... nah and keeps Harbaugh in? Lol

I'm not even sure how much I care at this point. I'm kinda over it. Just here for the final verdict and the inevitable meltdown by one side or the other

 

[stakesarehigh]

I'm not even sure how much I care at this point. I'm kinda over it. Just here for the final verdict and the inevitable meltdown by one side or the other

Michigan has one last hurrah in them one way or another. I put Harbaugh leaving at 50/50 since his team is practically all seniors (starters anyway)

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

But it didnt look like that. He had showed how it was being signaled in which obviously game them more time to adjust their plays. Beside it dosesnt matter, it was how he did it and if it didnt help him that way why do it?

So a written signal and a picture signal changes everything?

Just so I am completely understanding your stance. Sending a list of another team's signals you played doesn't compromise the integrity of the game, but getting the signals on your own does?!?

In the end -- don't you end up with the exact same thing?

 

[stakesarehigh]

So a written signal and a picture signal changes everything?

Just so I am completely understanding your stance. Sending a list of another team's signals you played doesn't compromise the integrity of the game, but getting the signals on your own does?!?

In the end -- don't you end up with the exact same thing?

you're obviously not understanding the kind of context Michigan got with multiple games worth of video to correlate the signs to. And again

1 game versus 2 and a half seasons of scouting every opponent.

 

[ellupo]

So a written signal and a picture signal changes everything?

Just so I am completely understanding your stance. Sending a list of another team's signals you played doesn't compromise the integrity of the game, but getting the signals on your own does?!?

In the end -- don't you end up with the exact same thing?

Since the idiots in power do not have mics on the helmets the words are called on the field that were relayed signals for those words from the sideline. So yes those having those signals does change things and we saw it on camera.

How you get that info does change the game. We can both drive someplace and if I drove the speed limit and you went 30 over, does that mean you didnt break the law because we got to the same place?

It was not the exact same thing, very similar but the exact same.

 

[Red_Alert]

Teams exchange game films. Exchanging game film and giving teams a complete breakdown of all the signs a team used after you play them is way different.

The fact that needs to be explained is quite telling.

Do you have a link to a specific NCAA rule that makes it illegal?

At this point there's been no evidence it actually happened anyway.

It breaks the same sportsmanship policy Michigan is accused of breaking, as it compromises the "integrity of the game".

Other than the evidence provided online? Or is that only considered reliable if it is a report against UM?

So you have no evidence other than Michigan saying it was done.

LMAO!!

The call sheet was already posted on here

Rivals Decoded Michigan’s Signals—and Shared Them With Another Big Ten Team

Two single-page documents listing detailed breakdowns of Michigan’s deciphered signals were shared last season with a Big Ten school set to face the Wolverines.

www.si.com

It was even broken down to Tempo, Pass, Run, Play Action Pass. What exactly do you think Stalions was attempting to get? I will give you a hint -- it will look just like this.

Oh. You mean the signal sheets Michigan themselves released to SI as a distraction from their illegal activity. They claim they got it from an unidentified "source" and it's been verified by 3 other unidentified "sources".

So Michigan made up a couple signal sheets, redacted some stuff, gave it to SI and said "LooK wHaT SoMeOnE gAvE uS. We cAn'T GiVe yOu ThEiR nAmE ThO".

Looks more to me like SI is getting played by Michigan.

Not to mention....

"Schools sharing signal information is not uncommon in college football, multiple sources in the coaching profession told SI, nor is it against NCAA rules. “Every week you call your friends on other staffs and say, ‘Hey, what you got [on our next opponent]?’” A current coach with Big Ten experience said. “Everyone does it. Who cares?”

Sign-stealing off television, or across the field during games, is allowed. What Stalions is accused of doing—orchestrating a network of associates to perform impermissible, in-person advance scouting and recording future Michigan opponents’ signals dozens of times—is in violation of the rules. The now former analyst resigned last week amid a controversy that has consumed college football."

 

[CorpRebel]

Mind numbing thread...

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Since the idiots in power do not have mics on the helmets the words are called on the field that were relayed signals for those words from the sideline. So yes those having those signals does change things and we saw it on camera.

How you get that info does change the game. We can both drive someplace and if I drove the speed limit and you went 30 over, does that mean you didnt break the law because we got to the same place?

It was not the exact same thing, very similar but the exact same.

You do realize that your example is one person breaking the law, the other person did nothing wrong.

I'm going out on a limb and saying, giving a detailed listed of a team you played signs to a future opponent is not only illegal, but breaks the exact same 'integrity of the game clause' they say UM broke.

Using your logic -- no one would need to go video sidelines, as teams just pass along their signs to each other every game.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Oh. You mean the signal sheets Michigan themselves released to SI as a distraction from their illegal activity. They claim they got it from an unidentified "source" and it's been verified by 3 other unidentified "sources".

So Michigan made up a couple signal sheets, redacted some stuff, gave it to SI and said "LooK wHaT SoMeOnE gAvE uS. We cAn'T GiVe yOu ThEiR nAmE ThO".

Looks more to me like SI is getting played by Michigan.

Not to mention....

"Schools sharing signal information is not uncommon in college football, multiple sources in the coaching profession told SI, nor is it against NCAA rules. “Every week you call your friends on other staffs and say, ‘Hey, what you got [on our next opponent]?’” A current coach with Big Ten experience said. “Everyone does it. Who cares?”

Sign-stealing off television, or across the field during games, is allowed. What Stalions is accused of doing—orchestrating a network of associates to perform impermissible, in-person advance scouting and recording future Michigan opponents’ signals dozens of times—is in violation of the rules. The now former analyst resigned last week amid a controversy that has consumed college football."

So Michigan's is a distraction, yet all the others are fact?

I'm still waiting on the video where the supposed sign sheet Stalions was holding is. Funny how that hasn't been provided and it is nowhere to be found. But it is on the internet and against UM, so it must be true.

I laugh so hard every time you post, because it has nothing to do with Nebraska, but you are so invested in this. If I say I'm sorry for being 100% right about Nebraska's move to B1G, will that heal all the hurt you feel

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Since the idiots in power do not have mics on the helmets the words are called on the field that were relayed signals for those words from the sideline. So yes those having those signals does change things and we saw it on camera.

How you get that info does change the game. We can both drive someplace and if I drove the speed limit and you went 30 over, does that mean you didnt break the law because we got to the same place?

It was not the exact same thing, very similar but the exact same.

Again. You are arguing semantics. A team with the list provided to Purdue could simply make the EXACT SAME CHART, they say Stalions had.

It is quite odd though that when video was asked of the purported game you could blatantly see the list of signs from Stalions. No one can provide one. Yet somehow they have a crystal clear picture.

I know Stalions did something he wasn't supposed to. But as @Across The Field stated -- teams give the signs of other teams all the time (which is laughable to me) -- I can see it happening in a game like the B1G CG as you no longer have a chance to play in it and a Michigan loss could get OSU to the CFP. But giving signals during the season is asinine, as you'd be helping another team who could take your spot in the CCG.

 

[Red_Alert]

So Michigan's is a distraction, yet all the others are fact?

I'm still waiting on the video where the supposed sign sheet Stalions was holding is. Funny how that hasn't been provided and it is nowhere to be found. But it is on the internet and against UM, so it must be true.

I laugh so hard every time you post, because it has nothing to do with Nebraska, but you are so invested in this. If I say I'm sorry for being 100% right about Nebraska's move to B1G, will that heal all the hurt you feel

That a Michigan staffer paid "in-person" scouts to attend and electronically record sideline signals of "future (in-season) opponents" for Michigan's benefit/advantage, is a fact. That it is against the rules is a fact.

There is direct evidence of the illegal scheme and the staffer's own attorney admitted it was wrong for his client to have done it.

What Michigan and you fans are doing is trying to distract by attempting to conflate two similar but clearly different things.

"BuT nEbRaSkA, BuT oHiO StAtE, BuT gEoRGiA, BuT (fill in the blank)"

LMAO!!!

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

That a Michigan staffer paid "in-person" scouts to attend and electronically record sideline signals of "future (in-season) opponents" for Michigan's benefit/advantage, is a fact. That it is against the rules is a fact.

There is direct evidence of the illegal scheme and the staffer's own attorney admitted it was wrong for his client to have done it.

What Michigan and you fans are doing is trying to distract by attempting to conflate two similar but clearly different things.

"BuT nEbRaSkA, BuT oHiO StAtE, BuT gEoRGiA, BuT (fill in the blank)"

LMAO!!!

You end up with the exact same thing. A detailed chart of signals.

I love how invested you are in this. It cracks me up. You should post more, because that will show that mean UM fan who was 100% correct about your school.

 

[Red_Alert]

Again. You are arguing semantics. A team with the list provided to Purdue could simply make the EXACT SAME CHART, they say Stalions had.

It is quite odd though that when video was asked of the purported game you could blatantly see the list of signs from Stalions. No one can provide one. Yet somehow they have a crystal clear picture.

I know Stalions did something he wasn't supposed to. But as @Across The Field stated -- teams give the signs of other teams all the time (which is laughable to me) -- I can see it happening in a game like the B1G CG as you no longer have a chance to play in it and a Michigan loss could get OSU to the CFP. But giving signals during the season is asinine, as you'd be helping another team who could take your spot in the CCG.

Who really cares about that? It could be photoshopped. What Michigan or a Michigan fan could do is find the video themselves, and take a screenshot to prove Stalions was holding something else. You know.... Take the initiative yourselves to disprove it.

It's not needed as evidence anyway, and is a simple distraction from the absolute evidence that actually exists.

 

[Across The Field]

Again. You are arguing semantics. A team with the list provided to Purdue could simply make the EXACT SAME CHART, they say Stalions had.

It is quite odd though that when video was asked of the purported game you could blatantly see the list of signs from Stalions. No one can provide one. Yet somehow they have a crystal clear picture.

I know Stalions did something he wasn't supposed to. But as @Across The Field stated -- teams give the signs of other teams all the time (which is laughable to me) -- I can see it happening in a game like the B1G CG as you no longer have a chance to play in it and a Michigan loss could get OSU to the CFP. But giving signals during the season is asinine, as you'd be helping another team who could take your spot in the CCG.

michigan could have broadcast their playcall on the jumbotron and beat Purdue. That's the weakest entrant into the Big Ten CCG ever.

 

[Red_Alert]

You end up with the exact same thing. A detailed chart of signals.

I love how invested you are in this. It cracks me up. You should post more, because that will show that mean UM fan who was 100% correct about your school.

That there's direct evidence of an illegal scheme that's been going on for 3 seasons of CFB, and the team doing it has benefitted greatly from it?

Yes, I find that very intriguing as does the entire CFB world.

 

[ellupo]

You do realize that your example is one person breaking the law, the other person did nothing wrong.

I'm going out on a limb and saying, giving a detailed listed of a team you played signs to a future opponent is not only illegal, but breaks the exact same 'integrity of the game clause' they say UM broke.

Using your logic -- no one would need to go video sidelines, as teams just pass along their signs to each other every game.

Yes I do. You are going out on a but you don't know you are right. We know MI did something illegal.
We no one except for MI since Harbs is such a dick.

 

[ellupo]

Again. You are arguing semantics. A team with the list provided to Purdue could simply make the EXACT SAME CHART, they say Stalions had.

It is quite odd though that when video was asked of the purported game you could blatantly see the list of signs from Stalions. No one can provide one. Yet somehow they have a crystal clear picture.

I know Stalions did something he wasn't supposed to. But as @Across The Field stated -- teams give the signs of other teams all the time (which is laughable to me) -- I can see it happening in a game like the B1G CG as you no longer have a chance to play in it and a Michigan loss could get OSU to the CFP. But giving signals during the season is asinine, as you'd be helping another team who could take your spot in the CCG.

You find it odd the ones that lied and cheated are not providing evidence against themselves? I do not find that odd.

I don't know of it's happening all the time but only a guess would be coaches who are friends will help if it helps themselves. Once again Harbs is a dick not many want to help him.

 

[mall3013]

BOOM!
And this is only the B1G. Just wait for the NCAA to unload during the offseason.

 

[mall3013]

And most of us should remember McMurphy.

 

[mall3013]

Thoughts? I want to hear from our friends up north how you got cheated?