More Michigan Cheating

osubuckeye89 said:
Basically what you are telling us to believe is that Stallions just knocked on Harbaugh's door one day, handed him binders of info on all opponents and Harbaugh said "oh thanks we will use this!" without asking any questions or doing any due diligence about how the info was obtained.

You have to be at least mildly retarded to come to any conclusion near that.
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That was his legal job. We have another Stallions on staff right now doing that same thing with our opponents this year. That's expected. What would raise red flags about that?
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Sure. If someone was involved in some crazy scheme the first thing I'd do is delete any connection I had with that person. In hindsight it was a bad move, luckily one that could be resolved -- and messages show no connection.

I think this reach is a funny one. Like Moore had a huge part in this elaborate scheme and somehow did it in just 52 text messages over multiple years.
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Well, if you say there is no connection in the messages then it MUST be true! :rolleyes:
 
ralphiewvu said:
That doesn’t make it easier to do it yourself maize. Travel, logistics buying the equipment, getting into the stadium as opposed to asking a non opponent for film on their last/your future opponent.

And this whole day you have argued there is no difference getting it yourself or asking a team for that game film. Your linked tweet quite literally proves it’s more advantageous to be on the sideline than not.

Stallions did this because he and others on the coaching staff knew this was the best way to steal signs. Not game film from worse angles, this way. If that was false in any way there is no chance Stallions would have done this.
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It makes it easier for Stallions. His biggest burden was the money that he venmo'd to these people. It meant he didn't have to comb through data to get the results. He got was he needed directly with less time spent. That's pretty simple; the "easy" part is related to time.
 
Anyone who writes any kind of "manifesto" tends to be mentally unstable. I guess these are the types of people Harbaugh wants to align himself with though. Not shocking since Harbaugh's uh "personality" isn't far off from that.
 
A school consistently trips over its own dick for two decades, then this no name guy hatches a plan all by himself and the team suddenly can't lose. No one ever asks who the guy is, where he is getting his info, or tags along. He pays for it all on his own while he makes little money based on his title...and why would UM pay more if they aren't aware what all he is doing for them.

Anyone that can believe that is a dumbshit.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
We should be thankful that Stallions has channeled his obsessions into college football. Guy is the type who possibly woulda became a serial killer otherwise.
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That's kinda a far reach :pound: ... now for you ohio state people, y'all knew Michigan could decode your simplistic signals, and you could not stop them. Damn, that's kinda sad.
 
Voltaire said:
That's kinda a far reach :pound: ... now for you ohio state people, y'all knew Michigan could decode your simplistic signals, and you could not stop them. Damn, that's kinda sad.
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Sounds like the NCAA should keep digging and see if there are some sort of bugs planted in tOSU facilities or perhaps some practice spying has been going on.

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Voltaire said:
That's kinda a far reach :pound: ... now for you ohio state people, y'all knew Michigan could decode your simplistic signals, and you could not stop them. Damn, that's kinda sad.
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Is it. The guy is clearly obsessed with college football (Michigan specifically) he wrote a fucking self described MANIFESTO about it. This is not "normal" behavior.
 
fordman84 said:
Sounds like the NCAA should keep digging and see if there are some sort of bugs planted in tOSU facilities or perhaps some practice spying has been going on.

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There are rumors from credible "insiders" about this out there. But i'm not even going to try to bring it up here unless it actually comes out.

Long story short. Supposedly they found Ohio State practice footage on Michigan computers and that Weiss the guy that got fired for "computer access crimes" was found with the log in. Also a couple of other high level (Bama being one) programs are claiming someone traced back to Michigan attempted to access their servers and obtain practice footage as well. If true that is infinitely a bigger story than the Stallions shit. Supposedly a FBI investigation is ongoing and a completely separate NCAA investigation (away from the Stallions one) is in the works for this.
 
fordman84 said:
A school consistently trips over its own dick for two decades, then this no name guy hatches a plan all by himself and the team suddenly can't lose. No one ever asks who the guy is, where he is getting his info, or tags along. He pays for it all on his own while he makes little money based on his title...and why would UM pay more if they aren't aware what all he is doing for them.

Anyone that can believe that is a dumbshit.
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Stallions was on staff in some part since about 2016. He started I believe as an intern. So again, false narrative. He started in his role as a sign stealer in 2019/2020. And Michigan was just fine without him post his resignation in 2023.

What you just posted is nonsense.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
It makes it easier for Stallions. His biggest burden was the money that he venmo'd to these people. It meant he didn't have to comb through data to get the results. He got was he needed directly with less time spent. That's pretty simple; the "easy" part is related to time.
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It’s not easier or timely for Stallions. It is a fools errand trying to argue it’s less time traveling and collecting data rather then picking up the phone and calling CMU for their game tape. It is however more advantageous to Michigan and Stallions. Or they would have never done this.

But small steps Maize, at least we appear to have moved off the tHeReS nO dIfFeReNcE line.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Stallions was on staff in some part since about 2016. He started I believe as an intern. So again, false narrative. He started in his role as a sign stealer in 2019/2020. And Michigan was just fine without him post his resignation in 2023.

What you just posted is nonsense.
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No one is going to listen to a plan from an intern, so he put it into place around 2019. Refined it and grew it in 2020 and success started to roll in.

What you posted to deny it didn't actually disprove anything, but I thank you for helping me make my joke post actually fact based.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Well right. The NCAA sucks. That's why they got nothing, they lack the power to actually get evidence most of the time. Not because it wasn't happening. Tressel didn't get fired JUST for tattoo gate, it was because that was the end of multiple accusations all surrounding the same thing and the coverup which he was directly linked to.
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No, the reason he was fired is because he lied to the NCAA about knowing about the tattoos. That's very well-documented. He did literally the same thing Harbaugh did with the breakfast meeting, which is why Harbaugh also got a show-case penalty. That entire situation quite literally had nothing to do with anything else.
 
fordman84 said:
Sounds like the NCAA should keep digging and see if there are some sort of bugs planted in tOSU facilities or perhaps some practice spying has been going on.

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Do you really think ohio state could carry out a complex operation when they can't adjust their signals?

osubuckeye89 said:
Is it. The guy is clearly obsessed with college football (Michigan specifically) he wrote a fucking self described MANIFESTO about it. This is not "normal" behavior.
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I have to admit, I am a huge Michigan fan and alumni, but writing a manifesto has never entered my brain. Kinda creepy.
 
Across The Field said:
No, the reason he was fired is because he lied to the NCAA about knowing about the tattoos. That's very well-documented. He did literally the same thing Harbaugh did with the breakfast meeting, which is why Harbaugh also got a show-case penalty. That entire situation quite literally had nothing to do with anything else.
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Harbaugh never lies! The guy who's been suspended for a ton of games for lying and now has a 4 year show cause for lying never lies :pound: :pound: :pound:

Harbaugh has got that fan base so hilariously gas lit. Harbaugh could have a hell of a career as a mega church pastor when he flames out of the NFL again
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Harbaugh never lies! The guy who's been suspended for a ton of games for lying and now has a 4 year show cause for lying never lies :pound: :pound: :pound:

Harbaugh has got that fan base so hilariously gas lit. Harbaugh could have a hell of a career as a mega church pastor when he flames out of the NFL again
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"All rise while Reverand Asberger's drinks a full glass of milk and then tells you he doesn't recall doing it"
 
Across The Field said:
No, the reason he was fired is because he lied to the NCAA about knowing about the tattoos. That's very well-documented. He did literally the same thing Harbaugh did with the breakfast meeting, which is why Harbaugh also got a show-case penalty. That entire situation quite literally had nothing to do with anything else.
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Tressel was a fun guy to hate ... I miss him. That punishment was bullshit too.
 
Voltaire said:
Tressel was a fun guy to hate ... I miss him. That punishment was bullshit too.
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My wife had the chance to work closely with him on some projects while he was at OSU, and unsurprisingly she was not a fan of having to work with Urban after Tressel. We're really only now opening up the program for fans to the Tressel era-level (other than games), Urban shut that down immediately.
 
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