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70.0 completion %, 2023 yards passing -9 rushing 0 TD. 28-4 TD-INT 5 sacks 203.9 QBR Stroud
63.9 completion % 1971 yards passing 235 rushing 3 TD. 19-1 TD-INT 15 sacks 162.3 QBR Williams
71.5 completion % 1809 yards passing 382 rushing 8 TD. 17-3 TD-INT 1 sack 165.9 QBR Nix
66.1 completion % 1906 yards passing 137 rushing 3 TD. 18-3 TD-INT 8 sacks 162.7 Young
70.6 completion %, 2093 yards passing 315 rushing 3 TD. 18-1 TD-INT 10 sacks 190.8 QBR Hooker

which one is Nix
the others are Stroud, Young, Williams and Hooker

 

[fishinabarrel]

If Bryce Young would have had the same type of game in their loss to Tennessee that Nix had against Georgia he wouldn't be in the Heisman race either.

Heisman is very much how you do against your best competition

 

[OlyDuck]

If Bryce Young would have had the same type of game in their loss to Tennessee that Nix had against Georgia he wouldn't be in the Heisman race either.

Heisman is very much how you do against your best competition

like the time RG3 won it with 3 losses 2 of which against ranked opponents including their highest ranked opponent?

 

[Wizardhawk]

compared to prior Heisman winners at the same point in the season. you know since its a season award not a week 1 award.

So you don't think Heisman voters look at how each did against the biggest games they were in? Huh. Weird.

 

[OlyDuck]

1st and last are Stroud and Hooker. Don't know the middle ones but I would make a bet with you right now that Nix doesn't even get an invite much less win

my point tho is does looking at these comparisons really make the mere suggestion of Nix really make it such an absolute no or a laughable idea?

 

[OlyDuck]

So you don't think Heisman voters look at how each did against the biggest games they were in? Huh. Weird.

and like when Mariota won with a loss to Arizona who won the south and got an at large to a NY6

 

[osubuckeye89]

like the time RG3 won it with 3 losses 2 of which against ranked opponents including their highest ranked opponent?

I think Baylor's history leading up to that point was probably taken into consideration

RG3 led them to their first 10 win season in 30 years. They had also only finished above .500 just once in the previous 15 years.

Also that team without RG3 might not had even finished .500.

 

[OlyDuck]

Johnny football 2 losses to ranked teams one of which he had a 51.8 completion %

 

[Wizardhawk]

So you can see that a guy who for how many years went up against the likes of Alabama, LSU, Texas AM, and other SEC defenses on a weekly basis comes to Oregon and starts to go up against the likes of Arizona, Washington State, Stanford, and other PAC defenses and doesn't see this as simply fun and playground style defenses compared to what he had at Auburn?

Bo Nix is absolutely owning this conference. His stats through the first 7 games are almost the same as Mariota's were the year Mariota won the heisman. Those numbers are only going to multiply by season's end along with the team wins.

So doing well against garbage defense says Heisman contender to you?

There isn't a single defense in the Pac rated in the top 25. Not 1.

The one game he played this year out of the PAC he got destroyed. That day took him 100% off the board no matter what else he does. That's a fact.

Again, that there are 2 to 3 other QBs in the PAC also feasting on the same bad defenses and putting up similar numbers also destroys any arguments that any are Heisman worthy. Everyone is doing it. None are special.

 

[Wizardhawk]

and like when Mariota won with a loss to Arizona who won the south and got an at large to a NY6

See my reply to OD. I already destroyed this.

Have a good afternoon.

 

[Volbound1700]

like the time RG3 won it with 3 losses 2 of which against ranked opponents including their highest ranked opponent?

It isn't just about whether the player wins or loses the game but how they look in the game. Nix looked out of his league against Georgia. That is the only top 10 opponent Oregon has faced so far in the season and he fell flat in his big game.

Take Bryce Young as an alternative, although Alabama lost to Tennessee, Bryce Young carried that team on his shoulders and made play after play to keep Alabama in the game.

 

[osubuckeye89]

So doing well against garbage defense says Heisman contender to you?

There isn't a single defense in the Pac rated in the top 25. Not 1.

The one game he played this year out of the PAC he got destroyed. That day took him 100% off the board no matter what else he does. That's a fact.

Again, that there are 2 to 3 other QBs in the PAC also feasting on the same bad defenses and putting up similar numbers also destroys any arguments that any are Heisman worthy. Everyone is doing it. None are special.

Yea. Michael Penix is lighting it up after never being nothing more than a average QB at best at Indiana.

Utah currently has the "best" pass D in the Pac 12, and they are 42nd nationally.

They only have 2 in the top 50 (the other is Stanford at 46)

Half of the PAC is ranked below 90th.

 

[osubuckeye89]

^^^ I'm sure there will be a excuse that the Pass offenses are "just that good"

I think this is clearly more of a case of the defenses just being bad.

 

[Wizardhawk]

Yea. Michael Penix is lighting it up after never being nothing more than a average QB at best at Indiana.

Utah currently has the "best" pass D in the Pac 12, and they are 42nd nationally.

They only have 2 in the top 50 (the other is Stanford at 46)

Half of the PAC is ranked below 90th.

Add that rising, Williams, penix, and nix are all doing it to those defenses. There isn't a consensus as to which is the top of the PAC, more or less are any doing something special enough to be Heisman worthy.

They would have to do well against a top D to put up a resume. Nix had his chance with Georgia and totally blew it.

Sure, it's fun to watch penix throwing bombs down field and all that scoring, but there aren't any of our fans thinking his leading the country in yards and whatever else means anything nationally.

Penix hasn't looked sharp on the road. That and terrible defense on the road leave UW out of anything other than being a program that went from 4-8 last year to a bowl team on the rise this year.

 

[osubuckeye89]

Add that rising, Williams, penix, and nix are all doing it to those defenses. There isn't a consensus as to which is the top of the PAC, more or less are any doing something special enough to be Heisman worthy.

They would have to do well against a top D to put up a resume. Nix had his chance with Georgia and totally blew it.

Sure, it's fun to watch penix throwing bombs down field and all that scoring, but there aren't any of our fans thinking his leading the country in yards and whatever else means anything nationally.

Penix hasn't looked sharp on the road. That and terrible defense on the road leave UW out of anything other than being a program that went from 4-8 last year to a bowl team on the rise this year.

I'm sure Nix will get some votes if Oregon keeps winning, but he isn't finishing above like 5th or 6th.

He will continue to pad his stats this weekend against Cal, who ranks 115th in Pass D

 

[osubuckeye89]

I guess he is a "contender" if we are considering a distant 5th or 6th as a "contender"

 

[Deep Creek]

Yea. Michael Penix is lighting it up after never being nothing more than a average QB at best at Indiana.

Utah currently has the "best" pass D in the Pac 12, and they are 42nd nationally.

They only have 2 in the top 50 (the other is Stanford at 46)

Half of the PAC is ranked below 90th.

So, if Iowa would play some PAC teams their passing stats skyrocket?

 

[osubuckeye89]

So, if Iowa would play some PAC teams their passing stats skyrocket?

Probably not, their pass offense is just that awful.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

my point tho is does looking at these comparisons really make the mere suggestion of Nix really make it such an absolute no or a laughable idea?

Not to kick the PAC while they are down, but the conference, as a whole, has as much to do with the success of players like Nix at Oregon, like Penix Jr at Washington., like Charbonnet at UCLA (I'm sure i'm missing others) -- all these guys were average to below average players in the B1G and SEC.

Did they all of a sudden become stars after transferring to the PAC? Or are they simply playing against much worse defenses now?

 

[fishinabarrel]

Not to kick the PAC while they are down, but the conference, as a whole, has as much to do with the success of players like Nix at Oregon, like Penix Jr at Washington., like Charbonnet at UCLA (I'm sure i'm missing others) -- all these guys were average to below average players in the B1G and SEC.

Did they all of a sudden become stars after transferring to the PAC? Or are they simply playing against much worse defenses now?

It can be a little bit of both, completely one, or completely the other