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OlyDuck said:
but then would they change the "top 6 conference champs" thing or no. because if they keep it seems like staying in the Pac wouldnt be horrible as champ likely makes that top 6.
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Who knows what they will do in 2026. 2024 and 2025 required unanimity, whereas the rules in the 2026 contract don't. You will see a change in the way the money is distributed to favor the conferences that will put in the most teams, and you might see the PAC relegated to G5 status in the sense that they might insist on "top 5" instead of "top 6."
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
From a CFB economics perspective, this is correct. The payout per team is going to go through the roof in 2026. That's why you see the SEC and B1G numbers go through the roof that year. They both landed great TV deals, but with 12 teams an an estimated $1.8 billion CFP payout per year, getting into the 12 is going to be huge. Why the SEC edges ahead of the B1G who has the bigger TV contract for now is because you will also get paid for going deep in the CFP. Advantage SEC.

It's why adding Ore may make sense, but not Washington or any of the other Cali schools. It's why OU and TX were so valuable - OU because they have been there, and TX who should.
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How I see it too. But they’ll most likely nix that auto 6 should the B1G finish the PAC and the Sec and B1G take some from the ACC right? Maybe make an auto 4 (SEC, B1G, B12,G5) and the rest auto bids. Or does this start the great break off that terrifies the fuck out of me?

EDIT*** just read your next post, I pray y’all to break off
 
ralphiewvu said:
How I see it too. But they’ll most likely nix that auto 6 should the B1G finish the PAC and the Sec and B1G take some from the ACC right? Maybe make an auto 4 (SEC, B1G, B12,G5) and the rest auto bids. Or does this start the great break off that terrifies the fuck out of me?

EDIT*** just read your next post, I pray y’all to break off
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They very specifically didn't list P5/G5 in the CFP rules. At the time, there were five well defined P5, five G5. So they went with top 6 Conference Champs. In most years, this accomplished the goal of five P5, one G5. But, it left open some hope for the G5 that in some years they might be able to get 2 teams in. For example, in 2020 there were 2 G5 champs ranked higher than the PAC champ.

The problem now is that the PAC may be more akin to a G5 than a P5. If that is the case, do the SEC and the B1G really want an extra at-large spot taken by what amounts to a G5, or actually is a G5. My guess is that they won't. This is going to be cut-throat. The SEC and the B1G will want to get 3-5 teams in each year. Can't do that as often if you have two G5 each year.
 
ralphiewvu said:
Yeah they’d have to. The SEC and B1G wouldn’t be for having a G5 heavy PAC get an auto or another G5 taking the PACs place if it imploded.

But getting into the B1G would still yield Oregon more money then staying in the PAC.
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a G5 heavy Pac? 9 schools that have been P5 since it became a thing. 1 who has been P5 over a decade now. Even if they added 2 how would that be G5 heavy compared to Big XII which is 7 historical P5. 1 with just over a decade at P5 and 3 just out of G5 and BYU who you could call maybe in between but really sat more at the G5 side of things.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Who knows what they will do in 2026. 2024 and 2025 required unanimity, whereas the rules in the 2026 contract don't. You will see a change in the way the money is distributed to favor the conferences that will put in the most teams, and you might see the PAC relegated to G5 status in the sense that they might insist on "top 5" instead of "top 6."
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14 Oregon in Arizona would have been in 12. same number of teams as Big 10
15 stanford 5th ranked champ
16 Washington in USC and Colorado both in 12. 2 more than that SEC. only 1 team from BIG XII
17 USC 5th ranked champ Washington in 12. same number of teams as SEC more than BIG XII
18 Washington 6th ranked champ same as BigXII
19 Oregon 5th ranked champ Utah in 12. same as Big XII
21 Utah 5th ranked champ
22 Utah 4th ranked champ USC in 12. same as Big XII

20 was the only year that Pac woulndt have been in and who knows what would have happened if it played normal.

I dont get the notion that Pac cant get more than 1 in the 12 or that they would fall so far below the others.
 
OlyDuck said:
14 Oregon in Arizona would have been in 12. same number of teams as Big 10
15 stanford 5th ranked champ
16 Washington in USC and Colorado both in 12. 2 more than that SEC. only 1 team from BIG XII
17 USC 5th ranked champ Washington in 12. same number of teams as SEC more than BIG XII
18 Washington 6th ranked champ same as BigXII
19 Oregon 5th ranked champ Utah in 12. same as Big XII
21 Utah 5th ranked champ
22 Utah 4th ranked champ USC in 12. same as Big XII

20 was the only year that Pac woulndt have been in and who knows what would have happened if it played normal.

I dont get the notion that Pac cant get more than 1 in the 12 or that they would fall so far below the others.
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We'll see.

Take out USC and you have Utah, Oregon, and maybe Washington.

Comparisons to the SEC and B1G are useless since mostly you are looking back in 2014-ish .. it's a different situation today.

If you can stay together, then maybe you have a chance. But, if the PAC loses Ore and UW, or can't land even a B12 contract, I don't see giving the PAC a guaranteed slot.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
We'll see.

Take out USC and you have Utah, Oregon, and maybe Washington.

Comparisons to the SEC and B1G are useless since mostly you are looking back in 2014-ish .. it's a different situation today.

If you can stay together, then maybe you have a chance. But, if the PAC loses Ore and UW, or can't land even a B12 contract, I don't see giving the PAC a guaranteed slot.
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Usc didnt account for much of those stats. But if thats the argument then the same has to be made for the Big XII as Oklahoma was a more prominent factor for them.
And again the pac has no guaranteed slot. No conference does. Its the top 6 champions. Could easily be 4 p5 and 2 g5. Im pretty sure if you go back to like 2000 all but the sec would have been out of the top 6 at least once.
 
OlyDuck said:
Usc didnt account for much of those stats. But if thats the argument then the same has to be made for the Big XII as Oklahoma was a more prominent factor for them.
And again the pac has no guaranteed slot. No conference does. Its the top 6 champions. Could easily be 4 p5 and 2 g5. Im pretty sure if you go back to like 2000 all but the sec would have been out of the top 6 at least once.
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The point I am making is that we are getting to where there is a P2, M3 (middle 3), and G5. The P2 are going to want to make rules that favor them. The further down the M3 go toward G5 status, the less likely there will be a guaranteed 6. If Ore and UW were to leave, then the PAC would have to be lowered to a G5 status. With Ore and UW staying, maybe they keep a guaranteed slot.
 
OlyDuck said:
a G5 heavy Pac? 9 schools that have been P5 since it became a thing. 1 who has been P5 over a decade now. Even if they added 2 how would that be G5 heavy compared to Big XII which is 7 historical P5. 1 with just over a decade at P5 and 3 just out of G5 and BYU who you could call maybe in between but really sat more at the G5 side of things.
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Huh? WTF are you talking about? A heavy G5 PAC was said in the event UO and uDub bolt to the B1G. If that happens Arizona and Colorado are gone to the B12 and likely ASU and Utah too. That leaves the PAC with 4 (P5) members, you really think they don’t add anyone? Please follow the context of the conversation.
 
The post below shows why quoting anything other than Football and possibly Basketball for Sports is meaningless. This is LSU's budget for sports. Keep in mind, LSU won the Women's Basketball title. Stanford's beach volleyball titles, etc. are not going to matter in scheme of things. USC was the main football power for the Pac12, even if they have been down lately.


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OlyDuck said:
UW going the way of the SEC getting a DIII team right before Oregon
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P5s do not play div lll teams in football. Not allowed. Also not allowed to play Div. ll in football. Whatever this ILW is, they are at least fcs or that's their week off. Oct. 7-- off week.
 
ericd7633 said:
Lmao. That's obviously not correct. Why the hell would Washington play on the road against a D3 school?
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Ill Wes is playin Washington U at St Louis Bears on Oct 7th -
 
wazzu31 said:
I hope so, then giving us a huge chunk of money for leaving will help WSU’s budget.
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For about 2 years and then that sports budget gets cut to 1/3rd of what it’s at now for the better part of eternity.
 
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