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[Wild Turkey]

Big 12 Commissioner Hints He Might Raid And Pillage The PAC-12

The Big 12 might have its sights set on the only P5 conference out west. Will Brett Yormark's conference raid the PAC-12?

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During a recent interview on “Canzano & Wilner The Podcast,” Yormark doubled down on the strategy of bringing more teams under the Big 12 umbrella, according to SI.com.

“When I think about expansion, I think about it in a couple of ways. I think about performance, cultural fit and I also look at time zone and geography. We go through this modeling, is it the right fit for us? I continue to think about expansion for all of the right reasons and what’s going to be additive for our conference in every way possible.

When asked if the PAC-12 could be raided for parts, Yormark said he’s not “targeting” any specific program but he does want to expand into the Pacific Time Zone. Seeing as how the only P5 teams in that time zone are PAC-12 teams, it’s obvious what he’s saying.

 

[Wild Turkey]

PAC-12 Reportedly Suffers Major Blow During Chaotic Media Negotiations

CBS has reportedly dropped out of PAC-12 media negotiations. Will the conference land a new media deal or not?

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Brett McMurphy reported Wednesday that CBS & Turner are no longer involved in negotiations. That’s significant because it had been previously reported CBS was in the mix to be one of the major networks the PAC-12 could get a deal done with.

That is no longer the case.

The Big 12 has guaranteed cash on the way and can come calling with promises. Kliavkoff’s conference might not have anything to persuade members to stay amid all this instability.

 

[Deep Creek]

Minnesota has been in the B1G since the inception of the conference, so it doesn't matter if they are a shit show.

100%. Same goes for similar charter members in every conference. They’ll remain whether they carry their weight or not.

 

[Thiefery]

PAC-12 Reportedly Suffers Major Blow During Chaotic Media Negotiations

CBS has reportedly dropped out of PAC-12 media negotiations. Will the conference land a new media deal or not?

www.outkick.com

Brett McMurphy reported Wednesday that CBS & Turner are no longer involved in negotiations. That’s significant because it had been previously reported CBS was in the mix to be one of the major networks the PAC-12 could get a deal done with.

That is no longer the case.

The Big 12 has guaranteed cash on the way and can come calling with promises. Kliavkoff’s conference might not have anything to persuade members to stay amid all this instability.

he was on XM yesterday and said just because those networks pulled out doesn't mean that something is wrong. He says it happens, and that they already have a number where another network(s) are ok with..while others aren't.

 

[Thiefery]

What about it?
It's exactly what I said. They received a larger share every year before they got full share. They were only getting $9 million a year from the Big 12 the year they left.
They've more than made up the cost of leaving.

again, just saying BiG taxes it's newest additions.. how many years did it take for NU to finally get a full share? 5 years? lol. Rutgers (despite being called a genius move for the NYC market) also got taxed hard as did MD.

Anyone know if they are gonna do the same to the LA schools?

 

[Volbound1700]

The B1G is a little over valued in my opinion.

It is really just 5-6 major programs (minus USC/UCLA) with Michigan, Ohio State, Nebraska, Penn State and maybe Michigan State/Wisconsin.

For example, I have a lot of people at my job coming down to live in Nashville from the Midwest and they are big football fans but none of them watch CFB, they are all about the NFL. I was talking to a girl at lunch from Chicago and she cheers the Packers and didn't even know about Northwestern or the B1G.

Most of the schools in the B1G don't have a large following. It is very top heavy and not just results on field but from the perspective of fanbase size and media market output. Even smaller SEC schools like Kentucky and Ole Miss have a decent following. Only Vanderbilt is really a weak point for the SEC while you could argue that Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern, Rutgers, Illinois, Minnesota, etc. are all weak points for the B1G. There are probably ~8 B1G teams that I don't think drive more market share than let's say Kansas State, Oklahoma State, or Texas Tech for example.

 

[Thiefery]

The B1G is a little over valued in my opinion.

It is really just 5-6 major programs (minus USC/UCLA) with Michigan, Ohio State, Nebraska, Penn State and maybe Michigan State/Wisconsin.

For example, I have a lot of people at my job coming down to live in Nashville from the Midwest and they are big football fans but none of them watch CFB, they are all about the NFL. I was talking to a girl at lunch from Chicago and she cheers the Packers and didn't even know about Northwestern or the B1G.

Most of the schools in the B1G don't have a large following. It is very top heavy and not just results on field but from the perspective of fanbase size and media market output. Even smaller SEC schools like Kentucky and Ole Miss have a decent following. Only Vanderbilt is really a weak point for the SEC while you could argue that Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern, Rutgers, Illinois, Minnesota, etc. are all weak points for the B1G. There are probably ~8 B1G teams that I don't think drive more market share than let's say Kansas State, Oklahoma State, or Texas Tech for example.

They get ratings... If you can do that.. you are valuable.

 

[Volbound1700]

I do think with the demographics change and just general culture, the SEC will eventually (and should) pass the B1G in TV Market money. The big problem can also be summarized below in that the B1G region generally has an NFL program that competes with the B1G teams.

B1G vs NFL:

Ohio State > Cleveland or Cincinnati
Michigan > Detriot
Indiana and Purdue < Indianapolis Colts
Northwestern and Illinois < Chicago Bears (Illinois might be the weakest of the B1G markets in that neither Illinois program has a sizable following)
Minnesota < Minnesota Vikings
Wisconsin < Green Bay Packers
Penn State = Pittsburgh Steelers and Philadelphia Eagles (NFL might have the stronger fan base but Penn State does have a strong following. I do think this one is healthy in that fans will root for both Penn State and NFL).
Nebraska - No competition
Maryland < Baltimore Ravens
Rutgers < NY Giants and Jets

As you can see, most of the B1G outside of the Power programs are grossly overshadowed by the NFL

SEC vs NFL:

Tennessee Vols and Vandy > Tennessee Titans (this one is close because Titans have a strong following but just like Penn State situation, it doesn't compete with CFB like I feel it does in B1G region as fans often cheer for both)
Georgia Bulldogs > Atlanta Falcons
LSU Tigers > New Orleans Saints (likely same scenario as Tennessee and Pennsylvania with a dual fanbase).
Texas and Texas A&M = Dallas Cowboys and Houston Texans
Florida Gators > Jacksonville Jaguars and Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Missouri < Kansas City Chiefs
Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Kentucky, Ole Miss, Miss State, Oklahoma, South Carolina - No competition

So in the SEC, with the exception of Missouri, nearly ever major SEC program has a larger fan following than their NFL competition or at least an equal following. There are also 8 SEC Programs with no in-state NFL competition while the B1G only has one (Nebraska).

NFL overshadows B1G in a lot of its region but it is hard to argue the NFL overshadows the SEC in any of its states with the exception of Missouri.

 

[Volbound1700]

They get ratings... If you can do that.. you are valuable.

Do we have numbers for programs like Illinois, Rutgers, Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota, etc.? I am not sure they are much stronger than some of the Irate 8 from the Big12.

 

[Thiefery]

this is why I laughed when the Big12 decided to extend an offer to UH.. If UH is doing well, people will show up and make that 40k stadium look full.. but when they are so, so.. people rather go catch a late season Astros game.. or wait til sunday for NFL action.. Houston is a pro sports city..

 

[Thiefery]

Do we have numbers for programs like Illinois, Rutgers, Northwestern, Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota, etc.? I am not sure they are much stronger than some of the Irate 8 from the Big12.

did you know that IL vs Chattanooga pulled in more viewers than TCU vs SMU last season?

EDIT: I was looking at the ratings for this past season.. SEC teams usually won every week with the most watched game.. But I did find it interesting that tosu vs um.. they had over 17 millon people watching.. think the 2nd highest of the regular season was TN vs UGA at like 13 million

 

[Wild Turkey]

did you know that IL vs Chattanooga pulled in more viewers than TCU vs SMU last season?

Non-sense SMU is a ratings juggernaut just ask the PAC.

 

[Volbound1700]

did you know that IL vs Chattanooga pulled in more viewers than TCU vs SMU last season?

EDIT: I was looking at the ratings for this past season.. SEC teams usually won every week with the most watched game.. But I did find it interesting that tosu vs um.. they had over 17 millon people watching.. think the 2nd highest of the regular season was TN vs UGA at like 13 million

Michigan and Ohio State are juggernauts.

Ohio State may have the biggest fanbase in CFB. Those two programs pretty much run the B1G historically on numbers and revenue. This isn't a cut at them at all. Penn State and Nebraska are NOT slouches either.

EDIT: I definitely hear more about Ohio State from people from Ohio than the NFL teams and typically most people in Michigan know the Wolverines and root for them as well. That is not the case with many of the other B1G teams.

I am not sure about Iowa, Michigan State, or Wisconsin but I get the vibes they have decent followings although 90% of the people that I talk to from Wisconsin seem to not care much about the Wisconsin Badgers but definitely love the Packers.

The HUGE advantage of the SEC is its ability to stay ahead of the Pro Sports (or at least break even) in the regions it covers. I think that is going to make things even more lopsided in the future.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

The B1G is a little over valued in my opinion.

It is really just 5-6 major programs (minus USC/UCLA) with Michigan, Ohio State, Nebraska, Penn State and maybe Michigan State/Wisconsin.

For example, I have a lot of people at my job coming down to live in Nashville from the Midwest and they are big football fans but none of them watch CFB, they are all about the NFL. I was talking to a girl at lunch from Chicago and she cheers the Packers and didn't even know about Northwestern or the B1G.

Most of the schools in the B1G don't have a large following. It is very top heavy and not just results on field but from the perspective of fanbase size and media market output. Even smaller SEC schools like Kentucky and Ole Miss have a decent following. Only Vanderbilt is really a weak point for the SEC while you could argue that Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern, Rutgers, Illinois, Minnesota, etc. are all weak points for the B1G. There are probably ~8 B1G teams that I don't think drive more market share than let's say Kansas State, Oklahoma State, or Texas Tech for example.

The B1G's value is derived from their large fanbases - B1G schools have been in the 40,000-60,00 student bodies for decades. The SEC schools are just starting to get larger. The B1G has way more alumni, hence more eyeballs.

 

[OlyDuck]

Big 12 Commissioner Hints He Might Raid And Pillage The PAC-12

The Big 12 might have its sights set on the only P5 conference out west. Will Brett Yormark's conference raid the PAC-12?

www.outkick.com

During a recent interview on “Canzano & Wilner The Podcast,” Yormark doubled down on the strategy of bringing more teams under the Big 12 umbrella, according to SI.com.

“When I think about expansion, I think about it in a couple of ways. I think about performance, cultural fit and I also look at time zone and geography. We go through this modeling, is it the right fit for us? I continue to think about expansion for all of the right reasons and what’s going to be additive for our conference in every way possible.

When asked if the PAC-12 could be raided for parts, Yormark said he’s not “targeting” any specific program but he does want to expand into the Pacific Time Zone. Seeing as how the only P5 teams in that time zone are PAC-12 teams, it’s obvious what he’s saying.

weird take.
you're argument is that the only P5 teams in the pacific time zone are Pac 12 teams. the most popular assumption is that they will go for the 4 corners schools which are (checking notes) not in the pacific time zone.
also (looking over notes again) in their last 2 expansions they added 1 school out of 6 from a Power conference though it was the Big East after it had mostly been reduced to less than a power conference. was Big East with Cinci, Louisville, Pitt, Rutgers, South Florida, Syracuse, Uconn and West Virginia still considered Power 6

 

[Wild Turkey]

weird take.
you're argument is that the only P5 teams in the pacific time zone are Pac 12 teams. the most popular assumption is that they will go for the 4 corners schools which are (checking notes) not in the pacific time zone.
also (looking over notes again) in their last 2 expansions they added 1 school out of 6 from a Power conference though it was the Big East after it had mostly been reduced to less than a power conference. was Big East with Cinci, Louisville, Pitt, Rutgers, South Florida, Syracuse, Uconn and West Virginia still considered Power 6

Not my take I just quoted the article and I think the most vulnerable to poaching (at least in the beginning) are the corner schools but let's be honest the list isn't large.

No one is going to go after Washington State and Oregon State, Stanford and Cal will stick it out until the end and Oregon and Washington have other agendas and it's best for them if the PAC stays together.

I don't see the Big 12 being interested in Fresno or SDSU as it would make more sense for them to go after Memphis, South Florida or one of the academies. So I do think the Big 12 commisioner is sending a cryptic message but I can't tell you why he chose to do it.

 

[CorpRebel]

 

[Boise4Life]

I understand SDSU. Nice new stadium. Get back into So Cal where there’s nothing left there. Their football teams have kicked the PAC 12s ass on the regular for quite some time now, mostly on the road (of course). The basketball team has been great for a long time now. Makes sense.

SMU has the big endowment and I guess you kind of get into the Dallas/Texas area although I’m pretty sure most Texans and particularly higher end recruits there could give a damn about SMU. The problem for me is SMU’s athletics suck. Embarrassingly bad. Their football team (pretty much all that matters) sucks and the basketball team (which is the last little bit of anything else that matters) sucks.

 

[Thiefery]

I understand SDSU. Nice new stadium. Get back into So Cal where there’s nothing left there. Their football teams have kicked the PAC 12s ass on the regular for quite some time now, mostly on the road (of course). The basketball team has been great for a long time now. Makes sense.

SMU has the big endowment and I guess you kind of get into the Dallas/Texas area although I’m pretty sure most Texans and particularly higher end recruits there could give a damn about SMU. The problem for me is SMU’s athletics suck. Embarrassingly bad. Their football team (pretty much all that matters) sucks and the basketball team (which is the last little bit of anything else that matters) sucks.

yeah but who else can they add that will bring them a window into CST? SMU may suck too, but they are in the heart of a recruiters wet dream.. I can see why the PAC is talking to him.. Deion wants in on TX.. I know he's gonna want an annual game down there

 

[OlyDuck]

saw one talking head say something like the Pac could be waiting for the conference basketball tourney to make any announcements about expansion and or media deals.