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OregonDucks said:
Make the jokes, but you'll be happy to hear things are in motion and Oregon is going to be in a stable conference soon.
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yeah the Pac 12. Stable for now anyway.
 
OregonDucks said:
We are going to the B1G. Expect announcement in the coming weeks. Enjoy.
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Is this the reason why you are confident?

4. The slog schedule process

The further Big Ten officials delve into a new schedule format, the more exposed is the reality of USC and UCLA alone on the West Coast.

Officials continue to work through format proposals — 3 permanent opponents and 6 rotating is still the likely choice — even though it could all be scrapped once a new commissioner is hired and if expansion is revisited.

Multiple Big Ten officials expressed concern about travel logistics with USC and UCLA, and earlier this month told Saturday Tradition that athletic scheduling/travel and academic “stress” for all student athletes at all member institutions (not just football players) must be addressed — and that USC and UCLA can’t be left “on a geographic island.”

The Big Ten and the SEC both will likely announce in May new schedule formats for their 16-team leagues in 2024. The Big Ten schedule could be reworked — and allow more flexibility for USC and UCLA — should the conference add 2 (Oregon, Washington) or more teams (Stanford, Cal) in expansion.

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The B1G 10: Jim Harbaugh poised to finally hit the elite level in recruiting at Michigan

Matt Hayes makes his weekly trek around the Big Ten, checking in on Michigan's quest to land a 5-star quarterback, plus a look ahead to 20024 schedules and more.
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OregonDucks said:
Make the jokes, but you'll be happy to hear things are in motion and Oregon is going to be in a stable conference soon.
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Which is exactly why the other schools should tell UO and UW to fuck off and go to the B12. With no conference, the B1G could go in dry on UO and UW and give them 50% shares, LOL.
 
Thiefery said:
Is this the reason why you are confident?

4. The slog schedule process

The further Big Ten officials delve into a new schedule format, the more exposed is the reality of USC and UCLA alone on the West Coast.

Officials continue to work through format proposals — 3 permanent opponents and 6 rotating is still the likely choice — even though it could all be scrapped once a new commissioner is hired and if expansion is revisited.

Multiple Big Ten officials expressed concern about travel logistics with USC and UCLA, and earlier this month told Saturday Tradition that athletic scheduling/travel and academic “stress” for all student athletes at all member institutions (not just football players) must be addressed — and that USC and UCLA can’t be left “on a geographic island.”

The Big Ten and the SEC both will likely announce in May new schedule formats for their 16-team leagues in 2024. The Big Ten schedule could be reworked — and allow more flexibility for USC and UCLA — should the conference add 2 (Oregon, Washington) or more teams (Stanford, Cal) in expansion.

saturdaytradition.com

The B1G 10: Jim Harbaugh poised to finally hit the elite level in recruiting at Michigan

Matt Hayes makes his weekly trek around the Big Ten, checking in on Michigan's quest to land a 5-star quarterback, plus a look ahead to 20024 schedules and more.
saturdaytradition.com saturdaytradition.com
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This has made sense from day 1.
 
OlyDuck said:
want to and holding out for it are 2 different things. Big Ten no commish and while a few loose reports are saying there might be one in place in the next month there is not certainty. After one is in place do you really think thats the first thing on the agenda? numerous reports that no big ten teams want more teams.
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There have been reports that both of those schools would take less to join the B1G too.

Anyone with half a brain can read through this that Oregon and Washington want to join the B1G.
 
ralphiewvu said:
There have been reports that both of those schools would take less to join the B1G too.

Anyone with half a brain can read through this that Oregon and Washington want to join the B1G.
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again want and holding out for are 2 differnt things.
All the group of 5 schools WANT to join a Power 5 but do you think all of them are waiting for an invite? no. would they jump at it if it came? absolutely.
at this point i would be there have been more talks between 4 corner and the BIg XII and between Notre Dame and the Big Tenn and SDSU and the Pac than there have been between OR and WA and the BigTen
 
ralphiewvu said:
There have been reports that both of those schools would take less to join the B1G too.

Anyone with half a brain can read through this that Oregon and Washington want to join the B1G.
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and even at taking less they would still need to get more than they would in the PAC which still means like 40M each coming from the other schools and they dont want that which is why a lot of the Big Ten schools are against it.
 
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OlyDuck said:
and even at taking less they would still need to get more than they would in the PAC which still means like 40M each coming from the other schools and they dont want that which is why a lot of the Big Ten schools are against it.
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At the end of the day there are things in your favor:

1. The B1G cares about academics, and having UO, UW, and maybe even Cal and Stanford would fit their academic model.

2. Unlike the SEC, so long as the per-team share is only moderately affected, they would do it. SEC, not a chance, IMO. The B1G might say, we are making more than everyone else, let's go ahead a bring in those 2/4 and be done with it.

3. The B1G cares about non-Football sports. The SEC, not so much. And, with USC and UCLA sitting out there on their own, having 4 or 6 teams that can play each other in minor sports may well be a bigger deal than we are thinking.

4. The decision isn't ultimately made by the ADs or the commissioner ... it is made by the Presidents. Having Stanford and Cal, and to a lesser degree UO and UW, in the B1G to go along with USC and UCLA would look really good on the non-sports resume. Let's be real - adding a western group of schools of UCLA, USC, Stanford, Cal, Oregon, and Washington looks really sweet both academically (all AAU) and athletically especially if you look past just football.

5. As I have pointed out in the SEC expansion discussions, there comes a time when the lesser teams say, screw this, stop bringing in all these teams that can beat us. Bringing in Cal and Stanford brings in some losses for the lower teams, and bringing in UO and UW brings in some losses for the mid tier and top teams.

6. The huge contract they just signed may make this possible. They would own late-night TV on Saturday nights. Think of starting 3:00pm PT USC v. Michigan, and then 6:00pm PT Stanford v. Notre Dame (they play every year), and then 8:00pm PT Oregon v. Purdue.
 
Arizona president likes to talk:

University of Arizona president Robert Robbins, who recently expressed optimism about the state of the conference, now makes it seem there’s still a way to go.

“I have heard nothing to suggest [a deal is] imminent. There’s all these things about, well, ‘We want to wait until [after] the Final Four.’ That has nothing to do with it. It has to do with assessing who is the right fit, who assesses us. I hope [commissioner George Kliavkoff] gets something done sooner rather than later so that the whole thing stops, so we don’t have focus on it. [But] I am perfectly willing to sit here and wait,” Robbins told CBS Sports when explaining the current state of the situation.
 
Thiefery said:
Is this the reason why you are confident?

4. The slog schedule process

The further Big Ten officials delve into a new schedule format, the more exposed is the reality of USC and UCLA alone on the West Coast.

Officials continue to work through format proposals — 3 permanent opponents and 6 rotating is still the likely choice — even though it could all be scrapped once a new commissioner is hired and if expansion is revisited.

Multiple Big Ten officials expressed concern about travel logistics with USC and UCLA, and earlier this month told Saturday Tradition that athletic scheduling/travel and academic “stress” for all student-athletes at all member institutions (not just football players) must be addressed — and that USC and UCLA can’t be left “on a geographic island.”

The Big Ten and the SEC both will likely announce in May new schedule formats for their 16-team leagues in 2024. The Big Ten schedule could be reworked — and allow more flexibility for USC and UCLA — should the conference add 2 (Oregon, Washington) or more teams (Stanford, Cal) in expansion.

saturdaytradition.com

The B1G 10: Jim Harbaugh poised to finally hit the elite level in recruiting at Michigan

Matt Hayes makes his weekly trek around the Big Ten, checking in on Michigan's quest to land a 5-star quarterback, plus a look ahead to 20024 schedules and more.
saturdaytradition.com saturdaytradition.com
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For the benefit of the student athletes, the B1G should add more West Coast teams. For basketball and the Olympic Sports, they are going to endure more traveling than NBA and NHL teams. Just look at a B1G 20 game conference schedule. If they schedule 2 games on the east coast at a time, that's a ton of flying. If they schedule 3, they're on the east coast for damn near 8 days. If they do a Tuesday-Saturday-Tuesday schedule. It's just not going to work logistically. Imagine going to UCLA/USC for women's soccer and wind up playing games in Indiana, PA, Ohio and Michigan. Lmao.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
At the end of the day there are things in your favor:

1. The B1G cares about academics, and having UO, UW, and maybe even Cal and Stanford would fit their academic model.

2. Unlike the SEC, so long as the per-team share is only moderately affected, they would do it. SEC, not a chance, IMO. The B1G might say, we are making more than everyone else, let's go ahead a bring in those 2/4 and be done with it.

3. The B1G cares about non-Football sports. The SEC, not so much. And, with USC and UCLA sitting out there on their own, having 4 or 6 teams that can play each other in minor sports may well be a bigger deal than we are thinking.

4. The decision isn't ultimately made by the ADs or the commissioner ... it is made by the Presidents. Having Stanford and Cal, and to a lesser degree UO and UW, in the B1G to go along with USC and UCLA would look really good on the non-sports resume. Let's be real - adding a western group of schools of UCLA, USC, Stanford, Cal, Oregon, and Washington looks really sweet both academically (all AAU) and athletically especially if you look past just football.

5. As I have pointed out in the SEC expansion discussions, there comes a time when the lesser teams say, screw this, stop bringing in all these teams that can beat us. Bringing in Cal and Stanford brings in some losses for the lower teams, and bringing in UO and UW brings in some losses for the mid tier and top teams.

6. The huge contract they just signed may make this possible. They would own late-night TV on Saturday nights. Think of starting 3:00pm PT USC v. Michigan, and then 6:00pm PT Stanford v. Notre Dame (they play every year), and then 8:00pm PT Oregon v. Purdue.
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Oregon is ranked 105 in public universities which would put them below all but Rutgers and Nebraska per my count.

Washington is 55 which is respectable
UCLA is 20
USC is 25

For the record, there are a ton of ties so they are actually further down the list than that. They aren't a slam dunk on the academic model front.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
At the end of the day there are things in your favor:

1. The B1G cares about academics, and having UO, UW, and maybe even Cal and Stanford would fit their academic model.

2. Unlike the SEC, so long as the per-team share is only moderately affected, they would do it. SEC, not a chance, IMO. The B1G might say, we are making more than everyone else, let's go ahead a bring in those 2/4 and be done with it.

3. The B1G cares about non-Football sports. The SEC, not so much. And, with USC and UCLA sitting out there on their own, having 4 or 6 teams that can play each other in minor sports may well be a bigger deal than we are thinking.

4. The decision isn't ultimately made by the ADs or the commissioner ... it is made by the Presidents. Having Stanford and Cal, and to a lesser degree UO and UW, in the B1G to go along with USC and UCLA would look really good on the non-sports resume. Let's be real - adding a western group of schools of UCLA, USC, Stanford, Cal, Oregon, and Washington looks really sweet both academically (all AAU) and athletically especially if you look past just football.

5. As I have pointed out in the SEC expansion discussions, there comes a time when the lesser teams say, screw this, stop bringing in all these teams that can beat us. Bringing in Cal and Stanford brings in some losses for the lower teams, and bringing in UO and UW brings in some losses for the mid tier and top teams.

6. The huge contract they just signed may make this possible. They would own late-night TV on Saturday nights. Think of starting 3:00pm PT USC v. Michigan, and then 6:00pm PT Stanford v. Notre Dame (they play every year), and then 8:00pm PT Oregon v. Purdue.
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I've read/heard that the Presidents don't want to expand at this point. I personally think it makes sense to from a logistical standpoint. As I said before having UCLA/USC on their own island is terrible for the student-athletes.

And like you said they could own the day, really. Noon kickoffs, all the way down to a 10:00/10:30 et kickoff. Same with basketball too. 12 full hours during Saturday's.
 
Wild Turkey said:
Oregon is ranked 105 in public universities which would put them below all but Rutgers and Nebraska per my count.

Washington is 55 which is respectable
UCLA is 20
USC is 25

For the record, there are a ton of ties so they are actually further down the list than that. They aren't a slam dunk on the academic model front.
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I think he was mostly talking about Cal and Stanford with Academics.

I agree with @WhosYourDawggy that there seems to be a West Coast push with B1G and they could grab more Pac12 teams even though not all make Financial sense (I do think there TV money making ability increases slightly by being in the B1G and getting more favorable matchups for them and reducing games against lower rated Pac12 opponents). Basically, it would be addition by subtraction for those schools.
 
Wild Turkey said:
Oregon is ranked 105 in public universities which would put them below all but Rutgers and Nebraska per my count.

Washington is 55 which is respectable
UCLA is 20
USC is 25

For the record, there are a ton of ties so they are actually further down the list than that. They aren't a slam dunk on the academic model front.
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FWIW, ties are factored in. If you have a tie at 58, 58, and 58, the next school will be 61. So 105 means 105.

And AAU means more to them than the ranking. Plus, when you bring in 4 top 25 schools, bringing in 105 and 55 isn't a problem. We aren't talking the ACC taking Louisville here.
 
OlyDuck said:
again want and holding out for are 2 differnt things.
All the group of 5 schools WANT to join a Power 5 but do you think all of them are waiting for an invite? no. would they jump at it if it came? absolutely.
at this point i would be there have been more talks between 4 corner and the BIg XII and between Notre Dame and the Big Tenn and SDSU and the Pac than there have been between OR and WA and the BigTen
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You are the only one that said holding out when you at first said you doubted they “WANT” to. That’s why I laughed at that hilariously false response.
 
OlyDuck said:
and even at taking less they would still need to get more than they would in the PAC which still means like 40M each coming from the other schools and they dont want that which is why a lot of the Big Ten schools are against it.
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The PAC at best looks like they are getting what the B12 is (31 and change). They aren’t getting close to 40. I would be willing to bet Washington and Oregon (and many others) would take 31 in the B1G for a trial period. They’d be foolish not to if it guarantees them a seat at the table. To suggest UW and UO aren’t praying to get into B1G especially With these rumors out there is humorous.
 
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