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Thiefery said:
who is no one outside u, lol..u always take this so personal?

Is Udub, Oregon and Utah any good in basketball? I know BYU usually has some strong years, Colorado sucks
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Everyone can see what ya wrote dummie. You wished so hard and now it’s not coming true. Anything else you’d like to be wrong about?
 
ralphiewvu said:
We Already have a team in their area, I’m truthfully not sure how much they would bring in. Az gets us a new timezone with a neat blue blood basketball team. Az is first on my list
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Rivalries are great for selling content to networks. Again, there's such a huge different in the commitment level when it comes to Utah football vs. the others.

I don't really get the Arizona love. If the PAC only lost Arizona and replaced them with SDSU, I don't think it would matter at all.
 
duckboy33 said:
Rivalries are great for selling content to networks. Again, there's such a huge different in the commitment level when it comes to Utah football vs. the others.

I don't really get the Arizona love. If the PAC only lost Arizona and replaced them with SDSU, I don't think it would matter at all.
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Az love is more for basketball. Plus it’s a new timezone. For football the better add would probably be ASU. But it’s likely we’d get both if they do come.
 
ralphiewvu said:
Az love is more for basketball. Plus it’s a new timezone. For football the better add would probably be ASU. But it’s likely we’d get both if they do come.
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These moves aren't about basketball. Plus the timezone only matters because it allows the Big 12 to play more games in the late time slot. Any of the corner 4 can provide that flexibility.

As for football, Arizona has probably been the worst over the last 25 years (Other than Colorado). Which explains why those two are being the most proactive with the Big 12.
 
Thiefery said:
who is no one outside u, lol..u always take this so personal?

Is Udub, Oregon and Utah any good in basketball? I know BYU usually has some strong years, Colorado sucks
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Utah has a great tradition in bball. They were a tournament fixture in the 90's and 2000's, and made the title game in 1998. They haven't been as of late. Oregon has been a pretty good program since the turn of the century. Made 4 E8's in that time frame and a FF. Washington had a good 10 year stretch between like 04-2014, but have mostly been irrelevant in bball IMO. The talent they've gotten hasn't translated to on court success liken it should have IMO.
 
duckboy33 said:
Rivalries are great for selling content to networks. Again, there's such a huge different in the commitment level when it comes to Utah football vs. the others.

I don't really get the Arizona love. If the PAC only lost Arizona and replaced them with SDSU, I don't think it would matter at all.
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That would kill them from a bball standpoint. I get SDSU is a good program and coming off a title appearance, but AZ is one of a handful of schools that actually draw decent ratings in bball.
 
ralphiewvu said:
lol
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wait.. what did i say that was wrong? I said UT and ou would pay the fees but they thought they wouldn't have to because of the rumors that the Pac12 would also poach some schools..apparently SC had other thoughts to that.. and no one else wanted any of the remaining 8 schools.

I didn't say i was hoping it would implode
 
ralphiewvu said:
Az love is more for basketball. Plus it’s a new timezone. For football the better add would probably be ASU. But it’s likely we’d get both if they do come.
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AZ schools are interesting, they are getting more transplants there and the level of HSFB is improving..problem is..nobody wants to stay there

in '23 their top TEN players went out of state
In '22 their top SIXTEEN players went out of the state
In '21 thier top THIRTEEN players went out of state
In '20 their top FOURTEEN players went out of state

Maybe in a decade those recruits will feel more of a state pride and stay? But the schools in TX, osu, ksu, isu, ku would benefit from that
 
duckboy33 said:
These moves aren't about basketball. Plus the timezone only matters because it allows the Big 12 to play more games in the late time slot. Any of the corner 4 can provide that flexibility.

As for football, Arizona has probably been the worst over the last 25 years (Other than Colorado). Which explains why those two are being the most proactive with the Big 12.
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Agreed these aren't about basketball, but adding a school like AZ to the B12 only strengthens that league. And that matters in terms of units from the tournament. I don't really think any of the schools left will add anything monetarily from a tv perspective(Oregon being the one that might), so putting together a great bball league and collecting on all that unit money isn't insignificant. You get 10 teams in that's 20 million right there. On avg if you get one win per team, that's another 20 million. If you have a 16-team league, that's essentially an extra 2.5/per school.
 
Thiefery said:
AZ schools are interesting, they are getting more transplants there and the level of HSFB is improving..problem is..nobody wants to stay there

in '23 their top TEN players went out of state
In '22 their top SIXTEEN players went out of the state
In '21 thier top THIRTEEN players went out of state
In '20 their top FOURTEEN players went out of state

Maybe in a decade those recruits will feel more of a state pride and stay? But the schools in TX, osu, ksu, isu, ku would benefit from that
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Yeah, I think the AZ schools have potential because of the footprint. I also wonder what Utah will look like once Wittingham retires. My guess is they won't be able to get someone as good as him, so they could slip from where they currently are.
 
ericd7633 said:
Agreed these aren't about basketball, but adding a school like AZ to the B12 only strengthens that league. And that matters in terms of units from the tournament. I don't really think any of the schools left will add anything monetarily from a tv perspective(Oregon being the one that might), so putting together a great bball league and collecting on all that unit money isn't insignificant. You get 10 teams in that's 20 million right there. On avg if you get one win per team, that's another 20 million. If you have a 16-team league, that's essentially an extra 2.5/per school.
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Sure but those #s are based on conference wide success. Arizona isn't bringing each school 2.5M extra on their own just based on march madness. That's why I'd prioritize teams that I think could make the expanded CFP, like Utah.

Ultimately, it probably doesn't matter because the Big 12 will likely add all four if the PAC crumbles.
 
duckboy33 said:
Sure but those #s are based on conference wide success. Arizona isn't bringing each school 2.5M extra on their own just based on march madness. That's why I'd prioritize teams that I think could make the expanded CFP, like Utah.

Ultimately, it probably doesn't matter because the Big 12 will likely add all four if the PAC crumbles.
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I get that, but if they make a FF, that's 10 million for the conference right there. I think Utah would be a good add for what you mentioned, I'd just be worried about sustaining success in football like they have the past 4 years once Wittingham retires.

I think the P12 is just about dead, they've gotten no traction on the tv deal, there's to much smoke out here about schools looking elsewhere, and outside of Oregon, there really isn't a main attraction for football anymore. Which is a shame, I always enjoyed watching the P12 for both CFB and bball.
 
ericd7633 said:
I get that, but if they make a FF, that's 10 million for the conference right there. I think Utah would be a good add for what you mentioned, I'd just be worried about sustaining success in football like they have the past 4 years once Wittingham retires.

I think the P12 is just about dead, they've gotten no traction on the tv deal, there's to much smoke out here about schools looking elsewhere, and outside of Oregon, there really isn't a main attraction for football anymore. Which is a shame, I always enjoyed watching the P12 for both CFB and bball.
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Sure but Arizona hasn't made the FF since 2001. That's not something I would bank on happening regularly. As for Utah, I think they've made huge investments which should allow them to remain competitive even after Wittingham retires.

PAC 12 is in trouble but I have to believe a big part of that is because UO and UW won't sign on to anything ATM. If the Big Ten were to choose not to expand, and UO and UW were on board, that would significantly help the PAC in negotiations IMO. At this point, there's no reason for the media companies to negotiate because the PAC can't even get everyone in the conference to sign off on any potential deals.
 
duckboy33 said:
Sure but Arizona hasn't made the FF since 2001. That's not something I would bank on happening regularly. As for Utah, I think they've made huge investments which should allow them to remain competitive even after Wittingham retires.

PAC 12 is in trouble but I have to believe a big part of that is because UO and UW won't sign on to anything ATM. If the Big Ten were to choose not to expand, and UO and UW were on board, that would significantly help the PAC in negotiations IMO. At this point, there's no reason for the media companies to negotiate because the PAC can't even get everyone in the conference to sign off on any potential deals.
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Oh yeah, for sure not on a regular basis, but they've made 5 S16's and 2 E8's in the last decade. Even getting to an E8 is an additional 8 million. I'm guessing they'll break through at some point if they keep fielding top 10 teams. I just think if no school left is going to move the needle much from a tv revenue standpoint, load up on schools that can make the conference money in bball, which AZ can.

Like I said, I do think Utah would be a good add, assuming they keep this up in football, but I think AZ being a top 10 bball program is more likely than Utah being a top 10 football program moving forward.

And yeah, I agree with that last part. Getting some assurance from Oregon and UW would help with negotiations, I just don't think they'd be able to reach what the B12 is making per school.
 
ericd7633 said:
Oh yeah, for sure not on a regular basis, but they've made 5 S16's and 2 E8's in the last decade. Even getting to an E8 is an additional 8 million. I'm guessing they'll break through at some point if they keep fielding top 10 teams. I just think if no school left is going to move the needle much from a tv revenue standpoint, load up on schools that can make the conference money in bball, which AZ can.

Like I said, I do think Utah would be a good add, assuming they keep this up in football, but I think AZ being a top 10 bball program is more likely than Utah being a top 10 football program moving forward.

And yeah, I agree with that last part. Getting some assurance from Oregon and UW would help with negotiations, I just don't think they'd be able to reach what the B12 is making per school.
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I don't disagree with much here. Other than I think Utah can be a top 20 football program moving forward and that's more valuable than a top 10 basketball program. A lot of extra revenue is on the table if you can get in the new expanded CFP.
 
duckboy33 said:
I don't disagree with much here. Other than I think Utah can be a top 20 football program moving forward and that's more valuable than a top 10 basketball program. A lot of extra revenue is on the table if you can get in the new expanded CFP.
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Yeah, I agree. Maybe I'm a little lower on Utah maintaining once he retires. They do have a track record of hiring successful coaches this century, so perhaps they get another HR hire. They would have made 3 expanded CFP's since 2014, so that's certainly significant. Also, BYU/Utah in the same league again would be intriguing, and I think get a decent number in terms of a rating.
 
Thiefery said:
wait my dream is for the Big12 to die?
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LOL.. I didn't wish it death, everyone just thinks it is. I stand by what I said too Big12 would just take about anyone sans a SDSU or Boise St.. they want to solidify themselves as the 3rd or 4th best conference after schools move in '24

What's interesting is that they are reaching further West now.. I bet if you put truth sermon in the ADs coffee in about a year.. they will say UH, Cincy and UCF were mistakes
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UH definitely was. There was no reason for them.
 
I think a lot of people that are criticizing the Big 12's additions are doing so with the gift of hindsight. The Big 12 needed more teams to solidify their future and help prepare for any future poaching. They did a good job adding the best available schools. There's no way they could have known the PAC would become vulnerable later on. The Big 12 did what they had to do to survive IMO and didn't really end up with any horrible additions.
 
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