Phil Knight Cold Calling The SEC and B1G

[Knight&Day]

Eastern Washington

Yeah, uhh, I was actually talking about the fifty or so teams that don’t have an ugly, bright, red field.

 

[Red_Alert]

Yeah, uhh, I was actually talking about the fifty or so teams that don’t have an ugly, bright, red field.

Wut about dem highlighter ducky uni's on there doh?

 

[ralphiewvu]

It won't matter truly what either conference does, IMO. You've removed the flag ship programs with the largest television markets from each conference. It includes 3 blue blood programs and 4 programs with national brands.

The television deal was already weak when they had those programs -- now you take them out of the equation and it will be next to impossible to compete when you have 40 programs bringing in 100 million a year. I actually feel bad for the fans of teams outside the two superconferences. They will end up on the outside looking in, which is why you see guys like Phil Knight calling to ask conferences to consider Oregon, as he knows the writing is on the wall.

It matters to people like one that root for one of those mediocre small programs (ME). I’m selfish as shit, I’m just worried about WVU. And although we’re screwed pretty good, I still want them to remain in a viable B12. Teams like WVU will never compete with programs in the B1G and SEC when it comes to money. I just don’t want WVU to be in the MAC in 10 years.

 

[ojb81]

It matters to people like one that root for one of those mediocre small programs (ME). I’m selfish as shit, I’m just worried about WVU. And although we’re screwed pretty good, I still want them to remain in a viable B12. Teams like WVU will never compete with programs in the B1G and SEC when it comes to money. I just don’t want WVU to be in the MAC in 10 years.

Ugh. I can just see it now. Tuesday night MACtion featuring WVU vs.....Ball State

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

What about UNC? Think if they would be willing to jump now you’d take them ?

I wrote a 3,200 word article on this that got published as Analysis by Rivals. I'll post it here later this week.

I don't think UNC comes close to moving the needle to $80-$110 million per year. So, no, even if there was no ACC GOR I don't think any of the more likely candidates - Clemson, OkSU, FSU, Miami and UNC would get added. Those are the 5 that would move the needle the most that are in the SEC footprint and I think they stick to their footprint.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Ugh. I can just see it now. Tuesday night MACtion featuring WVU vs.....Ball State

The stuff of nightmares. I’d only have me and TB on my game threads. I mean sure it happens now but it’s on a Saturday now, then it’d be on a Tuesday. Pure horror

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

It won't matter truly what either conference does, IMO. You've removed the flag ship programs with the largest television markets from each conference. It includes 3 blue blood programs and 4 programs with national brands.

The television deal was already weak when they had those programs -- now you take them out of the equation and it will be next to impossible to compete when you have 40 programs bringing in 100 million a year. I actually feel bad for the fans of teams outside the two superconferences. They will end up on the outside looking in, which is why you see guys like Phil Knight calling to ask conferences to consider Oregon, as he knows the writing is on the wall.

I don't have time to get the graph, but it showed 2027 dollars with the SEC at $115 million per team, the B1G at $110 million, and then the other 3 at about $52-$56 million. Not sure the B1G move raises them up that much, and could even slow them down. UCLA is dead weight. What will be interesting is what happens to the PAC and B12. Let's say the B12 absorbs 4-6 of the PAC. Then the PAC is really dead mane walking, moving back to G5 levels even with Oregon and Washington. ACC still stays the same, at 50% of the Big Boys. The B12 likely jumps up to about $60 million per team.

 

[CoalTrain]

Not likely. Two just jumped ship. Pretty sure another 6 or so also want out (see “in negotiations”).

One conf. is obvs much more stable than the other conf..

The Pac would have better luck adding someone from the MWC or the FCS.

You sayin the Big12 is stable and don’t lose schools?

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

I don't have time to get the graph, but it showed 2027 dollars with the SEC at $115 million per team, the B1G at $110 million, and then the other 3 at about $52-$56 million. Not sure the B1G move raises them up that much, and could even slow them down. UCLA is dead weight. What will be interesting is what happens to the PAC and B12. Let's say the B12 absorbs 4-6 of the PAC. Then the PAC is really dead mane walking, moving back to G5 levels even with Oregon and Washington. ACC still stays the same, at 50% of the Big Boys. The B12 likely jumps up to about $60 million per team.

I'm confused as to who isn't raising up by moving to the B1G? USC? The Big 12 teams were already getting $30 million a year less than B1G teams WITH USC and UCLA. Exactly how are they going to sell the PAC 12 television rights when you remove the 2nd largest television market in the US?

Same with the Big 12 -- you take out OU and Texas, you've just lost your flagship programs and the biggest draws in your conference.

 

[Red_Alert]

I'm confused as to who isn't raising up by moving to the B1G? USC? The Big 12 teams were already getting $30 million a year less than B1G teams WITH USC and UCLA. Exactly how are they going to sell the PAC 12 television rights when you remove the 2nd largest television market in the US?

Same with the Big 12 -- you take out OU and Texas, you've just lost your flagship programs and the biggest draws in your conference.

Do not listen to this idiot (TrustMeIAmRight). The dumbass doesn't even know which conference USC and UCLA are in.

 

[outofyourmind]

I don't think UNC comes close to moving the needle to $80-$110 million per year.

What if you add in basketball money ?? how close do they get do you think

 

[Top Cat]

What if you add in basketball money ?? how close do they get do you think

A lot of that money is tied up in the NCAAT. Same problem Kansas has. NCAA has to go first.

 

[Jon Deaux]

You sayin the Big12 is stable and don’t lose schools?

IMO, yes. They just added four teams. G5 junk, but 3 of them have good G5 programs and can move up with a P5 conf. I believe there will not be any B12 moving to the P12. A backwards move. If any moving, the outlying P12 teams will move to the B12. Will these four wait and see if the P12 will continue? That's the one question the P12 better hurry and answer.
Will the B12 lose schools? IF the B10 or SEC comes acallin', then hell yes. Other than that, no.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Do not listen to this idiot (TrustMeIAmRight). The dumbass doesn't even know which conference USC and UCLA are in.

As you can see from the next line -- it was obviously a mistake. Just like it was a mistake for the B1G to give their token poor academics spot to Nebraska. Little did the B1G know Nebraska's academics would look great when compared to how they performed on the football field.

Hmmmmmm -- i wonder if the PAC would do a swap? B1G gets Oregon to take over the token poor academics school spot, Nebraska goes to a conference they could finish .500 in (if they find the right coaches). Seems like a win/win.

 

[Red_Alert]

As you can see from the next line -- it was obviously a mistake.

It was no mistake.

You yourself said you were "confused".

I'm confused as to who isn't raising up by moving to the B1G? USC? The Big 12 teams were already getting $30 million a year less than B1G teams WITH USC and UCLA.

 

[fishinabarrel]

 

[Wishbone]

Is this scenario village?

 

[CorpRebel]

Is this scenario village?

 

[Deep Creek]

Dude, if the B12 can’t get the Az schools and Utah/Colorado to join and kill the PAC, that conference could snatch a few from the B12 and be a viable conference for sometime.

I'm afraid both are doomed ralphie....at least in regards to generating anything close to B1G and SEC level revenue. They'll do good to get 40% of that from what I'm reading.

You could choose an all star team from the 22 teams that will be left in the two leagues and not create a big stir with the broadcast folks. BYU's LDS around the globe and Kansas hoops are probably the only two "brands" that move the needle on a national level...at least in media eyes. I know that'll disappoint OD but.................

 

[Deep Creek]

It won't matter truly what either conference does, IMO. You've removed the flag ship programs with the largest television markets from each conference. It includes 3 blue blood programs and 4 programs with national brands.

The television deal was already weak when they had those programs -- now you take them out of the equation and it will be next to impossible to compete when you have 40 programs bringing in 100 million a year. I actually feel bad for the fans of teams outside the two superconferences. They will end up on the outside looking in, which is why you see guys like Phil Knight calling to ask conferences to consider Oregon, as he knows the writing is on the wall.

Which teams left in either the PAC or the Big 12 do you consider 3 blue bloods and 4 programs with national brands. Outside Kansas and Arizona basketball, I can't find any considered that.