Playoffs need to extend to at least 8 teams

[WhosYourDawggy]

something like this?

SEC West:
Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Missouri, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech
SEC East:
Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee Vanderbilt

Big 10 West:
Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Oklahoma, Wisconsin
Big 10 East:
Indiana, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers

I can't believe we are talking expansion again, but here we are. It is off-season, or as we call it, time to go get another off-season natty for us Dawgs.

A couple thoughts on your ideas:
- The idea of moving Auburn and Alabama to the East is one I've oddly favored. It preserves the UGA v. AU and UA v. UTjr. games which is key, but jeopardizes the UF v LSU game. Those are the only cross divisional games that matter. That said, having UGA, UF, AU and UA in the same division is idiotic without a 12 team CFP. Comparing the East and West, who wouldn't want to be in the west instead of east?
- Texas would have to eat some serious humble pie to get into the SEC. I mean serious hat in hand type of stuff. They won't be in control in the SEC, I don't care how much they are worth. I don't think that would ever happen. And the Texas network thing would have to go, and that's not happening.
- I always preferred the idea of bring in OU and OSU instead of more Texas teams. In fact, back in the expansion days I would have loved bringing in UT, TAMU, OU and OSU to get to 16. Missouri fucks that idea up now unless the B1G will take them off our hands.
- You are way off on the B1G ... there is no way they will take academically unqualified schools like Kansas and OU. Kansas is at least in the AAU (although somewhat shaky), but OU isn't and that is an absolute requirement. UT is a much better fit for the B1G from an academic perspective, and that actually matters to the B1G, not so much for the SEC.

Conference expansion ... don't you just love offseason?

 

[Thiefery]

I can't believe we are talking expansion again, but here we are. It is off-season, or as we call it, time to go get another off-season natty for us Dawgs.

A couple thoughts on your ideas:
- The idea of moving Auburn and Alabama to the East is one I've oddly favored. It preserves the UGA v. AU and UA v. UTjr. games which is key, but jeopardizes the UF v LSU game. Those are the only cross divisional games that matter. That said, having UGA, UF, AU and UA in the same division is idiotic without a 12 team CFP. Comparing the East and West, who wouldn't want to be in the west instead of east?
- Texas would have to eat some serious humble pie to get into the SEC. I mean serious hat in hand type of stuff. They won't be in control in the SEC, I don't care how much they are worth. I don't think that would ever happen. And the Texas network thing would have to go, and that's not happening.
- I always preferred the idea of bring in OU and OSU instead of more Texas teams. In fact, back in the expansion days I would have loved bringing in UT, TAMU, OU and OSU to get to 16. Missouri fucks that idea up now unless the B1G will take them off our hands.
- You are way off on the B1G ... there is no way they will take academically unqualified schools like Kansas and OU. Kansas is at least in the AAU (although somewhat shaky), but OU isn't and that is an absolute requirement. UT is a much better fit for the B1G from an academic perspective, and that actually matters to the B1G, not so much for the SEC.

Conference expansion ... don't you just love offseason?

I see that but they did take Neb who was shaky and lost it's AAU status.. also this is about sports and ou is the one of the big 3 additions to be had that brings in more value to a conference than without them.

As far as the LSU/FL game, they can still play as a permanent cross over game if need be.

Only reason I brought this up was talking about the CFP.. a set up of conferences like this could form a mini CFP. It's one extra game. There could be upsets, sure but the CFP never says a school has to be conference champions to get in anyways. They get who they want to and will make up the rules as it goes like any other year.

But I was just curious thinking that an extra postseason conference game could get close to a semifinal payout

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I see that but they did take Neb who was shaky and lost it's AAU status.. also this is about sports and ou is the one of the big 3 additions to be had that brings in more value to a conference than without them.

As far as the LSU/FL game, they can still play as a permanent cross over game if need be.

Only reason I brought this up was talking about the CFP.. a set up of conferences like this could form a mini CFP. It's one extra game. There could be upsets, sure but the CFP never says a school has to be conference champions to get in anyways. They get who they want to and will make up the rules as it goes like any other year.

But I was just curious thinking that an extra postseason conference game could get close to a semifinal payout

NE was AAU when they got in, and they subsequently lost it. I assure you there is buyer's remorse there. The B1G is never just about sports ... they are arrogant as hell about their academics. Even Rutgers and Maryland are AAU and top 60 schools.

I don't know what the numbers would be, but the only thing I can see in conference would be a 1 v. 1, 2 v. 2, 7 v. 7 type of thing the final weekend. I don't think that will happen as they want all eyes on the SECCG.

 

[Red_Alert]

I want a 16 team playoff. I know thats the minority but 16/130 is still way less than all other sports let in

Got it.

I misunderstood you.

 

[Red_Alert]

something like this?

SEC West:
Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Missouri, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech
SEC East:
Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee Vanderbilt

Big 10 West:
Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Oklahoma, Wisconsin
Big 10 East:
Indiana, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Purdue, Rutgers

Wait..... I thought Utah, Colorado, Arizona St, and Arizona were chomping at the bit to join the Big 12?

Now we're back to the Big 12 imploding and leaving TCU, Baylor, Okie Jr, Kansas St, and Iowa St, high and dry?

 

[Thiefery]

Wait..... I thought Utah, Colorado, Arizona St, and Arizona were chomping at the bit to join the Big 12?

Now we're back to the Big 12 imploding and leaving TCU, Baylor, Okie Jr, Kansas St, and Iowa St, high and dry?

I was talking about a hypothetical 16-18 school conferences

 

[Red_Alert]

These 16 school playoffs..I don't know. Half of the people will be pissed when their QB or RB get hurt in the first or second round.

What if they're hurt in the first few weeks, lose a couple games, and return mid-season to be full strength again?
i.e. Win 8 straight and their CCG?

 

[We Are Decent]

Because your statement contradicts each other. You want to fill neutral site 100,000 seat stadiums? That isn’t possible since there isn’t any (maybe 1 or 2) bowl games that have 100k seating

Wasn't the playoff format presented in the bracket. Higher seeds will typically play at the higher seed's location in the first two rounds usually. The neutral site games will be the bowl games as per usual. What is your problem with this format again?

So you may think my statement is “folly” but it factually accurate.

It's not, as you're arguing against a different claim than one I have made.

And proved in my first point, people don’t travel for the playoffs currently if it is at the Rose Bowl or Fiesta Bowl isn’t the first game if it is Clemson, Florida State or Alabama

Ok first off, that made zero sense. As for what I think you were trying to say here is that people won't travel to the games for whatever reason. I don't see why not, especially if it's a regional game like shown in the brackets. You're not asking people to travel all across the country until you get into big games.

nd using the bowl system as you laid out is not using the FCS model so again, you contradict yourself.

You don't know the models nor system. Replacing the Quarterfinals & Semifinals with the bowl games does not go against the I-AA system, it's just the games themselves of that standing. Don't know what's so difficult to comprehend.

It will generate more money because more games equals more money.

So what's the problem?

 

[Red_Alert]

NE was AAU when they got in, and they subsequently lost it. I assure you there is buyer's remorse there. The B1G is never just about sports ... they are arrogant as hell about their academics. Even Rutgers and Maryland are AAU and top 60 schools.

I don't know what the numbers would be, but the only thing I can see in conference would be a 1 v. 1, 2 v. 2, 7 v. 7 type of thing the final weekend. I don't think that will happen as they want all eyes on the SECCG.

The ONLY reason Nebraska lost AAU is because AAU made a new policy that UNMC (University of Nebraska Med Center) had to be "on campus". UNMC facilities are in Omaha for some reason.

 

[TaikoTiger]

The regular season is a playoff. Unfortunately it's a double elimination playoff for about 6-8 teams and single elimination for pretty much everyone else

So the solution is to turn the regular season to a 4 lost elimination for 6-8 teams and a 3 lost elimination for the rest?

 

[TaikoTiger]

These 16 school playoffs..I don't know. Half of the people will be pissed when their QB or RB get hurt in the first or second round.

No problem, most of the players will be well rested once they lock up a playoff spot and rest for the last month of the regular season

 

[rmilia1]

So the solution is to turn the regular season to a 4 lost elimination for 6-8 teams and a 3 lost elimination for the rest?

4 loss? No. 2 losses? Sure. 3 if the schedule is good enough ? Occasionally. I think the best thing to come of expanding the playoff is it makes more regular season games meaningful . Right now by week 12 there are really only a few games a week that mean anything. Expanding the playoff makes that 2-3 become 10-12. Plus you'd see far better ooc scheduling as 1 loss doesn't eliminate you but better SoS helps you

 

[TaikoTiger]

4 loss? No. 2 losses? Sure. 3 if the schedule is good enough ?

Depends if we're talking about 16 or 8 team playoffs, point is blue-blood bias will still exist in determining the last spots in the playoffs

Occasionally. I think the best thing to come of expanding the playoff is it makes more regular season games meaningful . Right now by week 12 there are really only a few games a week that mean anything. Expanding the playoff makes that 2-3 become 10-12.

I wouldn't say more just different. The meaningful games will be mainly around the bubble teams while the games involving the top seeds will lose interest once they lock up a spot.

Plus you'd see far better ooc scheduling as 1 loss doesn't eliminate you but better SoS helps you

We'll see a few more games but they would just become more and more an exhibition

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

So the solution is to turn the regular season to a 4 lost elimination for 6-8 teams and a 3 lost elimination for the rest?

3 loss and 4 loss teams won't get in. Go look back at the past 10 years and tell me how many top 12 teams had more than 2 losses at the end of 12 games? Very, very few. There will definately be some 2 loss teams, and that is fine.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

No problem, most of the players will be well rested once they lock up a playoff spot and rest for the last month of the regular season

You know that won't happen, right? I mean you guys coast through the ACC every year so maybe that is how you guys do it. But in real conferences we have to be ready to play every week. In all seriousness, no one will be resting. UF tried that against LSU and we see how that worked out. Do you think your team will be willing to get beat by USCjr at the end of the season because you have a playoff spot wrapped up?

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Depends if we're talking about 16 or 8 team playoffs, point is blue-blood bias will still exist in determining the last spots in the playoffs

I wouldn't say more just different. The meaningful games will be mainly around the bubble teams while the games involving the top seeds will lose interest once they lock up a spot.

We'll see a few more games but they would just become more and more an exhibition

12 or 16, I am for 12. Of course there will always be blue blood bias, but it will still increase interest.

This idea that teams will lose interest is just nuts. You never played sports, I am guessing. You play USCjr every year, last game. You think your team won't be interested? If you go undefeated you will get a top seed, play worse teams. You think your team won't care about that? Depending on the way it is setup, there might be home games ... you don't think your team will get up for that?

We are already seeing scheduling go through the roof starting mid-2020s. What do you mean it will just be an exhibition? You think when we play you guys game 1 next year, our players will think "it's just an exhibition?"

You seem to object to having more teams in a playoff? Why exactly is it a bad idea?

 

[Deep Creek]

Depends if we're talking about 16 or 8 team playoffs, point is blue-blood bias will still exist in determining the last spots in the playoffs

12 or 16, I am for 12. Of course there will always be blue blood bias, but it will still increase interest.

Damn! You guys are the first I've seen that would admit this!

Most others seem to treat it like the wacko aunt that was put in the closet. Everyone in the family knows she is there but they pretend like she doesn't exist. Or, they claim the blue bloods have "earned" that bias.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Damn! You guys are the first I've seen that would admit this!

Most others seem to treat it like the wacko aunt that was put in the closet. Everyone in the family knows she is there but they pretend like she doesn't exist. Or, they claim the blue bloods have "earned" that bias.

I don't know anyone that knows anything about college football that doesn't think that the blue bloods get the breaks. It's a $$$ thing, and ND is the biggest recipient of it. There is a reason they are 0-9 in NY6 Bowls since 2000, or something like that.

Now, it's a little trickier when you try and define Blue Blood. I don't think Clemson is one, and UGA is just off the edge. The BBs are Bama, tOSU, UM, OU, UT, USC, ND, maybe NE. Next tier is PSU, UTjr, UGA, Clemson, LSU and Auburn, but I wouldn't call them BBs. Teams like UF and Oregon are the nouveau riche tier.

So, if you look at that list, you also have to consider that "recency bias" comes into play. Clemson, for example, is really good recently, so they will get the benefit of the doubt on a CFP place until they stop winning the ACC. UGA kind of gets that now ... typically being in the top 5 each year at the beginning of the year.

 

[Deep Creek]

I don't know anyone that knows anything about college football that doesn't think that the blue bloods get the breaks. It's a $$$ thing, and ND is the biggest recipient of it. There is a reason they are 0-9 in NY6 Bowls since 2000, or something like that.

Now, it's a little trickier when you try and define Blue Blood. I don't think Clemson is one, and UGA is just off the edge. The BBs are Bama, tOSU, UM, OU, UT, USC, ND, maybe NE. Next tier is PSU, UTjr, UGA, Clemson, LSU and Auburn, but I wouldn't call them BBs. Teams like UF and Oregon are the nouveau riche tier.

So, if you look at that list, you also have to consider that "recency bias" comes into play. Clemson, for example, is really good recently, so they will get the benefit of the doubt on a CFP place until they stop winning the ACC. UGA kind of gets that now ... typically being in the top 5 each year at the beginning of the year.

Well then, you haven't met enough real blue blood homers then! In fact, some of them even claim the deck is stacked "against them" instead of them getting breaks.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Well then, you haven't met enough real blue blood homers then! In fact, some of them even claim the deck is stacked "against them" instead of them getting breaks.

The only argument there is that ND is 0-9 because they keep getting picked for NY6 bowls. I suppose that if ND wants to go to Jax for the Taxslayer Gator Bowl, they might be 4-5. But, going to NY6 bowls sounds better.