Rut Roh, Ford takes a 5% hit to their stock price. Future looking 'Not Bright'

I think as the years go on people will start to realize the lack of reliability, that it actually is very damaging to the environment to go all EV, and how expensive it will all be.

Maybe this will lead them to meet halfway and go with the hybrid type models, which i think are far better. Electric/Gasoline powered. The gasoline is still there for the power and reliability and the need for long travels, and the electric is used for city driving and short distances.
The first ICE vehicles were death traps and really bad for the environment. They kept evolving to add safety features, infrastructure, removed lead from gas, etc.

EV's have lasted long enough now that I think they have a place. They have to keep getting better by leaps and bounds, but I think they have moved beyond fad-status.
 
The first ICE vehicles were death traps and really bad for the environment. They kept evolving to add safety features, infrastructure, removed lead from gas, etc.

EV's have lasted long enough now that I think they have a place. They have to keep getting better by leaps and bounds, but I think they have moved beyond fad-status.
I don't see them having a good resale value. I don't know, but I don't see people selling their earlier model Tesla's. And as a consumer, I don't know if I would buy an old Tesla.
 
Or old electric vehicle model in any make/model. Like in 3 years if someone is posting their 2021 Ford F-150 Lightning, I am not at all interested in buying that.
 
I don't see them having a good resale value. I don't know, but I don't see people selling their earlier model Tesla's. And as a consumer, I don't know if I would buy an old Tesla.
First of all, I doubt too many families would have all EV's. Nice to have along side ICE vehicles sort of as a toy that doesn't use gas so that urban cowboys can flip the bird to da man. Second of all, if you were buying a used EV, you would have absolutely no idea how the battery was maintained and you'd want the dealer to put in a new batter pack, which he won't do so your're faced with a possible engine change in 2-3 years. Some argue that the batteries are guaranteed for 8 years but you better read the fine print. it says "under normal driving conditions" and if you adhered to the manufacturers battery care protocols. The lawyers are smart enough to ensure that the manufacturer won't be on the hook if your battery fries after 7 years. Buy a used beater if you will, but at your own risk.
 
I don't see them having a good resale value. I don't know, but I don't see people selling their earlier model Tesla's. And as a consumer, I don't know if I would buy an old Tesla.

Batteries eventually fail and cannot be recharged. A Tesla replacement battery pack will cost you $14,000 to $20,000 depending on the model.

For larger battery packs for Trucks the replacement costs must be prohibitive.
 
Batteries eventually fail and cannot be recharged. A Tesla replacement battery pack will cost you $14,000 to $20,000 depending on the model.

For larger battery packs for Trucks the replacement costs must be prohibitive.

and this is why i will never buy an EV
 
Tons of money in EV support. Charging networks, parts, "look how progressive I am", etc. Not so much on 3D TV. That only works if you have content creators, and that costs a lot as well. Sort of how VR is going now.


I guess the bottom line is we need to figure out how to get porn to incorporate EV's. Whatever porn adopts, lasts. :dhd:

Bang Bus EV-edition!

there are ways to get porn on the oculus now. I've never tried it.... you know kids and wife thing.
 
Not even sure how to read this, but doesn't look good about supply chain issues.


And what, exactly is that 'issue' ???
Anyone know, because they just keep saying it and never explaining it.

new cars/trucks/suvs are too fucking expensive... that's the issue.
 
I don't see them having a good resale value. I don't know, but I don't see people selling their earlier model Tesla's. And as a consumer, I don't know if I would buy an old Tesla.

that's why the recommendation is to lease any EV. It's like a really expensive computer on wheels. The tech is obsolete by the time you pay it off, so the resale is shit.

Fuck EVs
 
I don't see them having a good resale value. I don't know, but I don't see people selling their earlier model Tesla's. And as a consumer, I don't know if I would buy an old Tesla.
Can't disagree, but the early ICE's were throw away as well. Wasn't really until the late 90's that American autos had any resale value after 100k miles unless it was a special edition or 4x4.
 
Batteries eventually fail and cannot be recharged. A Tesla replacement battery pack will cost you $14,000 to $20,000 depending on the model.

For larger battery packs for Trucks the replacement costs must be prohibitive.
I don't personally see that any different than the 50k mile internal oil filter work that needs to be done on something like a BMW. Multiple thousands of dollars for a stupid little oil filter in the engine. It's why everyone wants to ditch a BMW at 45k miles.
 
new cars/trucks/suvs are too fucking expensive... that's the issue.
And finance rates are crazy high right now. Guy at work just bought a new car and got a 7.2% rate. No other options, so he had to sign it and then will refinance when possible.
 
I don't personally see that any different than the 50k mile internal oil filter work that needs to be done on something like a BMW. Multiple thousands of dollars for a stupid little oil filter in the engine. It's why everyone wants to ditch a BMW at 45k miles.

Total cost of ownership (TCO) has to be a major factor in a lease/purchase decision.
 
Total cost of ownership (TCO) has to be a major factor in a lease/purchase decision.
I've never leased and don't see a day where I will. I like to outright town my stuff, and leasing is just signing up to make payments the rest of your life.
 
I've never leased and don't see a day where I will. I like to outright town my stuff, and leasing is just signing up to make payments the rest of your life.
I leased one time and it was on a Honda Mini Van around 2004. They were coming out with a new model and were so aggressive on the lease option I literally paid less over 3 years than the depreciation hit would be if I had bought and then sold.

Turned out to be a good decision because the wife didn’t love the Van and wanted something different when the lease was up. We bought next go around because there wasn’t anything close to that lease deal.

It’s rare but there are times when the dealerships get super aggressive and leasing actually makes sense.
 
I leased one time and it was on a Honda Mini Van around 2004. They were coming out with a new model and were so aggressive on the lease option I literally paid less over 3 years than the depreciation hit would be if I had bought and then sold.

Turned out to be a good decision because the wife didn’t love the Van and wanted something different when the lease was up. We bought next go around because there wasn’t anything close to that lease deal.

It’s rare but there are times when the dealerships get super aggressive and leasing actually makes sense.
Yeah when I was first out of college and looking at getting a new car I did the math. The only time it actually was a good deal, for me in 2005'ish timeframe was if the lease was $0 upfront. Any of the leases that required an upfront payment negated any savings in the end. So I just ended up buying.
 
Yeah when I was first out of college and looking at getting a new car I did the math. The only time it actually was a good deal, for me in 2005'ish timeframe was if the lease was $0 upfront. Any of the leases that required an upfront payment negated any savings in the end. So I just ended up buying.
That’s exactly when I pulled the trigger.

My dad did it on Mercedes for my mom about 4 years ago but it was an aggressive deal also. To be honest with Mercedes, BMW and Range Rovers the lease makes sense because you don’t want those cars after 50K miles. The expense of up keep on them is ridiculous after the warranty is over.

That’s why we stick with Toyota, Honda or Nissan products as you can easily drive them 10 years and put 200k miles on them if you need to with little maintenance. Plus they hold resale.

My dad and I over 25 years combined have owned 8 Pathfinders and all of them were solid vehicles.
 
That’s exactly when I pulled the trigger.

My dad did it on Mercedes for my mom about 4 years ago but it was an aggressive deal also. To be honest with Mercedes, BMW and Range Rovers the lease makes sense because you don’t want those cars after 50K miles. The expense of up keep on them is ridiculous after the warranty is over.

That’s why we stick with Toyota, Honda or Nissan products as you can easily drive them 10 years and put 200k miles on them if you need to with little maintenance. Plus they hold resale.

My dad and I over 25 years combined have owned 8 Pathfinders and all of them were solid vehicles.
That really is the key, buy foreign that holds value. I'll add one more rule I have, and that's always buy SUV's or trucks that are 4x4. There is a floor on those regardless of the shape they are in simply because of the off-road market.
 
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