So what is the latest news on the OU and Texas to SEC situation?

[Red_Alert]

They'll continue to get the same amount of money.. even with 4 new schools coming in, til the contract expires..UT/ou in it or not.

You're a laugh a minute.

If that were the case TX/OU would be playing in the SEC for 2022.

The fact is it's good that leveler heads (attys and bean counters) are in control of TX/OU's move and not you.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

thats where its hard to judge. why do you have USC, a team who just went 4-8 as the top team? why is BYU already your 3rd team?
where do you place UCF, Cinci and Houston?
people assume they will just stay winning 10 games a season with the switch need to look at other teams that have made the jump.
how did Utah and TCU do when they moved up?

Utah coming off 13-0 in 08, 10-3 in 09, 10-3 in 2010 to 8-5 in the pac in 2011 and 5-7 in 12.
TCU off 12-1 in 09, 13-0 in 2010 and 11-2 in 2011 to 7-6 in 12 and 4-8 in 13.

there will be growing pains for those teams.
BYU may have an easier transition because they have been playing like half a schedule with P5 teams most years anyway.

I asked you to do the work. I am an SEC guy, I don't really care beyond curiosity. I chose USC because with their new coach, NIL and the transfer portal they are in the best position to be the best team in your league. I chose BYU because they play Utah every year already.

Again, I don't have a dog in the hunt. But if you guys are going to argue which leagues is going to be best, matching up teams seems like something you might want to do.

 

[BigRedMoe]

yep -
is there a conf level between G5 and P5 ??
maybe P2, B3 and G5 -

BIPGO!!!

 

[Red_Alert]

"tejas gonna move to the SEC and run the show"

LMFAO

ESPN and the SEC front offices will be telling tejas what to do.

Massive culture shock for the donghorns. Can they accept it?

And so it begins in 2025.

 

[OlyDuck]

I asked you to do the work. I am an SEC guy, I don't really care beyond curiosity. I chose USC because with their new coach, NIL and the transfer portal they are in the best position to be the best team in your league. I chose BYU because they play Utah every year already.

Again, I don't have a dog in the hunt. But if you guys are going to argue which leagues is going to be best, matching up teams seems like something you might want to do.

just like everyother year where we hear school X is back, they arent until they are.

again its not something as simple as who do you think is better and going off W/L isnt fair due to accounting for 4 teams coming in who had different kind of scheduling and the other 8 schools in the Big XII having Oklahoma and Texas as well.

 

[Thiefery]

LOL

That's meaningful for OU until they move to the SEC.

The SEC just inked a deal with ESPN that ESPN+ will carry SEC games. So games on ESPN+ will no longer be bonus bucks but part of the SEC payout pool. That began in 2021.

"As part of the SEC’s new agreement with ESPN, select SEC football games will be available on ESPN+ beginning this fall. ESPN+ has the right to stream one non-conference football game per school each season kicking off in 2021. These matchups will also be simulcast on SEC Network+, with both streams accessible in the ESPN App via connected devices."

SEC games will air on ESPN+ for the first time ever in 2021

Interesting move here by ESPN.

www.saturdaydownsouth.com

No. We aren't acting like LHN monies is divided up with anyone. We're acting like the LHN is DONE and OVER when they move to the SEC.
Your tejas president even said it.

tejas leaving for the SEC prior to the Big 12 GOR expiration would be economic insanity.

Hence the silence from Austin and Norman.

wait i'm not arguing that.. LHN is over, but guess what..the remainder of the deal will still be paid to UT even when they are playing in the SEC.. it was a GUARANTEED deal, whether the channel flourished or flopped

"tejas gonna move to the SEC and run the show"

LMFAO

ESPN and the SEC front offices will be telling tejas what to do.

Massive culture shock for the donghorns. Can they accept it?

And so it begins in 2025.

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lol where's Tom Osborne and Nebraska.. u missing a door

 

[Thiefery]

BTW @Red_Alert love how you are trying to captain save'em by saying SEC will tell tejas what to do.. lol bro, UT isn't a bitch like Osborne and Nebraska was.. who still bitch to this day about getting the short end of the stick and yet nobody cares..

apples and oranges and your just a lemon, sir

 

[Red_Alert]

wait i'm not arguing that.. LHN is over, but guess what..the remainder of the deal will still be paid to UT even when they are playing in the SEC.. it was a GUARANTEED deal, whether the channel flourished or flopped

lol where's Tom Osborne and Nebraska.. u missing a door

You're being redundant.
T.O. is in there as part of the original Big 12 teams that tejas ran off when flirting with the PAC with two fingers crossed behind their back.

You like redundancy don't you?

Redundancy like 'tejas is going to double dip ESPN for the donghorn network AND the SEC Network'.

LMFAO That's not happening hombre.

 

[Red_Alert]

BTW @Red_Alert love how you are trying to captain save'em by saying SEC will tell tejas what to do.. lol bro, UT isn't a bitch like Osborne and Nebraska was.. who still bitch to this day about getting the short end of the stick and yet nobody cares..

apples and oranges and your just a lemon, sir

I hear nobody in these parts thinking Nebraska got the short end of the stick.

Economically Nebraska, Missouri, and A&M made out like bandits. Those (not named Oklahoma) who stuck around trusting tejas got the short end of the stick.

Is that even up for debate?

 

[Deep Creek]

thats where its hard to judge. why do you have USC, a team who just went 4-8 as the top team? why is BYU already your 3rd team?
where do you place UCF, Cinci and Houston?
people assume they will just stay winning 10 games a season with the switch need to look at other teams that have made the jump.
how did Utah and TCU do when they moved up?

Utah coming off 13-0 in 08, 10-3 in 09, 10-3 in 2010 to 8-5 in the pac in 2011 and 5-7 in 12.
TCU off 12-1 in 09, 13-0 in 2010 and 11-2 in 2011 to 7-6 in 12 and 4-8 in 13.

there will be growing pains for those teams.
BYU may have an easier transition because they have been playing like half a schedule with P5 teams most years anyway.

What you site is all true. But, those growing pain records you referenced resulted in Utah and TCU still being better those years than some of the schools that had been members in the PAC 12 and Big 12 for years....and weren't moving up from G5!

And I agree BYU's transition may be the easiest. They've played as good a schedule as they could get.

 

[CoalTrain]

There are very few BigXii conference games not featuring OU or UT that draw ratings.

100%, the Big12 will become the newest G5 conference the minute OU and Texas walk out the door. Their new media payouts will be somewhere between the ACC and American pre Cincy ect. departure.

 

[Red_Alert]

100%, the Big12 will become the newest G5 conference the minute OU and Texas walk out the door. Their new media payouts will be somewhere between the ACC and American pre Cincy ect. departure.

I bet they draw better ratings the first year BYU, Houston, Cincy, and UCF join than their ratings are now with TX/OU.

 

[Deep Creek]

I bet they draw better ratings the first year BYU, Houston, Cincy, and UCF join than their ratings are now with TX/OU.

Just curious. What makes you think that Red?

 

[Red_Alert]

Just curious. What makes you think that Red?

Just general college football fan interest in how those G5's stack up.

I'll definitely have a Cincy/Baylor or Cincy/Okie Jr in the rotation.

I'm not saying that interest will be maintained, but at least the first year or two.

Even if TX/OU were to leave in 2023 (they're not tho), the Big 12 ratings will increase with the addition of those schools. JMO

 

[Deep Creek]

Just general college football fan interest in how those G5's stack up.

I'll definitely have a Cincy/Baylor or Cincy/Okie Jr in the rotation.

I'm not saying that interest will be maintained, but at least the first year or two.

Even if TX/OU were to leave in 2023 (they're not tho), the Big 12 ratings will increase with the addition of those schools. JMO

Thanks. My thinking is it will be very balanced…which means the conference champ will always have too many losses to get to the CFP. They’d be better off having one dominant undefeated team. Don’t see any of them doing that.

On the other hand, all the games should be close.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

I bet they draw better ratings the first year BYU, Houston, Cincy, and UCF join than their ratings are now with TX/OU.

When you say draw better ratings, do you mean that the top games will be better ratings?
That the average viewership (per game) for the conference will go up?
Both?
Neither?

 

[Volbound1700]

I hope I'm wrong, but I can't see BYU, UCF, Cincy and Houston being attractive enough to the networks for them to make the same payment to the Big 12 as they did with Texas and OU. In fact, I don't think Houston brings one additional dollar to the table. Baylor, Tech and TCU already bring the Texas eyeballs. What part of the country just can't want to see Houston games?

UCF and Cincy at least bring a few additional eyeballs, but nothing on the national scale of Texas and OU.

BYU will bring the most and that could be bigger than many expect. LDS folks are everywhere.

Again, I hope I wrong.

That's on the financial side of things...which is all that seems to matter nowadays. As far as a pretty damn good conference in most sports, I think the Big 12 will be in pretty good shape. But will they be able to keep their other programs to that level when the revenue drops? That's the question.

Agree with most of your logic. The one exception to point out in this thread is that winning teams bring eyeballs.

The Big12 will become what the Big East was ~2007 timeframe. In order to keep attention, they need 2-3 teams ranked and have them undefeated or 9-1, etc.

For example, if you talked about Cincinnati or UCF in 2004, they would bring 0 eyeballs. Both programs were unknowns and not good. There were mid-majors back then such as Southern Miss (where Brett Favre came from) or Colorado State that were winning and ranked regularly.

It will all hinge on team and league performance. Big East had some fun when both Louisville and West Virginia were up. If the Big12 programs start having bad seasons and there isn't a stand out team, I think ratings will plummet dramatically. OU and Texas are programs that bring ratings even when they are not in the National Title Hunt.

Big12 also desperately needs an expanded playoff.

I think the league will be diminished to a degree without Oklahoma and Texas but will continue on. As some posters pointed out last year with statistics, it isn't that far behind ACC and Pac12, even without OU and Texas.

 

[Red_Alert]

When you say draw better ratings, do you mean that the top games will be better ratings?
That the average viewership (per game) for the conference will go up?
Both?
Neither?

More overall viewers.
I refer to if TX/OK leave for the 2023 season (which they won't).

 

[Deep Creek]

Agree with most of your logic. The one exception to point out in this thread is that winning teams bring eyeballs.

The Big12 will become what the Big East was ~2007 timeframe. In order to keep attention, they need 2-3 teams ranked and have them undefeated or 9-1, etc.

For example, if you talked about Cincinnati or UCF in 2004, they would bring 0 eyeballs. Both programs were unknowns and not good. There were mid-majors back then such as Southern Miss (where Brett Favre came from) or Colorado State that were winning and ranked regularly.

It will all hinge on team and league performance. Big East had some fun when both Louisville and West Virginia were up. If the Big12 programs start having bad seasons and there isn't a stand out team, I think ratings will plummet dramatically. OU and Texas are programs that bring ratings even when they are not in the National Title Hunt.

Big12 also desperately needs an expanded playoff.

I think the league will be diminished to a degree without Oklahoma and Texas but will continue on. As some posters pointed out last year with statistics, it isn't that far behind ACC and Pac12, even without OU and Texas.

That is what I just don't see happening. Who would it be? Teams like last years CCG participants Baylor and Okie Lite? Cincy? I just don't see there being a large enough gap in talent to "run away" with the conference and be 10-0 or 9-1 late in the season.

And I don't think they necessarily have to have a "bad season" for ratings to plummet. Having 4-5 teams win their OOC games against some other P5 teams (or playing some biggies damn close) and all be tied for the conference lead at 4-2 six weeks into the conference schedule, could casue a ratings plummet as well.

Again, having all teams be close could produce many entertaining games, but it doesn't help for both CCG participants to have 9-3 records....at least in regards to the CFP.

And the ACC and PAC 12 both have some teams similar to what you describe with Texas and OU. Both conferences have a bell cow (or cows) such as USC and Clemson/FSU, etal. The Big 12 won't have any of those.

Again, I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Volbound1700]

That is what I just don't see happening. Who would it be? Teams like last years CCG participants Baylor and Okie Lite? Cincy? I just don't see there being a large enough gap in talent to "run away" with the conference and be 10-0 or 9-1 late in the season.

And I don't think they necessarily have to have a "bad season" for ratings to plummet. Having 4-5 teams win their OOC games against some other P5 teams (or playing some biggies damn close) and all be tied for the conference lead at 4-2 six weeks into the conference schedule, could casue a ratings plummet as well.

Again, having all teams be close could produce many entertaining games, but it doesn't help for both CCG participants to have 9-3 records....at least in regards to the CFP.

And the ACC and PAC 12 both have some teams similar to what you describe with Texas and OU. Both conferences have a bell cow (or cows) such as USC and Clemson/FSU, etal. The Big 12 won't have any of those.

Again, I hope I'm wrong.

I think you are correct. It will be very hard for Big12 to stay relevant.

Cincinnati made the playoffs this year which is a BIG WIN for the future Big12 but I don't see that happening very often. Oklahoma State, Baylor, TCU, and UCF have had great teams recently but it seems like it is not consistent.

I think both Kansas State and Oklahoma State have the potential for continued success. UCF isn't as strong as the past but with the Florida programs struggling, there is potential for UCF as well.

However, all of these teams will have the Boise State/West Virginia syndrome in that they will get attention as that "fly on the ointment" spoiler team similar to Basketball Cinderella teams. This will only occur if they are good.

The new Big12 will definitely be better than any of the current mid-major teams but there is a HUGE gap between the new Big12 and the B1G/SEC on value.