Tennessee or Nebraska?

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

You have more faith in USC being able to get DL and Edge players to go there. Here are the number of Cali DL/Edge top 50 (top 50 DL/Edge, not top 50 players) in the last 5 years ... AL, FL, GA, TX regularly have a half dozen or more.

2023 - 1
2022 - 2
2021 - 2
2020 - 0
2019 - 6

By contrast, the state of Georgia has 4 this year, as many as Cali in 2020-2023. USC becoming a national player will depend on whether they can get the DL and OL. I just don't think they can. I think we will see OU 2.0, which ain't bad at all. But anyone thinking that we are going to see USC v. 1.0 of the early 2000s may be in for a surprise.

Yeah -- but they have quite a few elite CB's and have had some big time edge recruits recently. If they can keep them in state -- they should be alright. Korey Foreman was the #2 recruit in the nation. Kayvon Thibedeaux (sp) was the #1 recruit in the nation. So while they may not have had quantity -- they have had quality at the position.

DT -- i could see it being an issue -- but that's an issue for pretty much everyone. I can't imagine OL being an issue. Riley brought in great OL's at OU. I can't imagine he won't do the same at USC with the ridiculous skill position talent he brings in.

I'm not saying USC is going to be the Bama of the West. Just that they will be able to bring in top 5 type classes and be able to compete with the big dogs after a few years.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

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Here are the issues Nebraska fans don't seem to grasp. Back in the 70's, 80's, even the 90's. The Midwest was just like the South when it came to recruiting. As the population shifted with the decline in industrialization -- more and more people moved South for the climate and employment. With it went most of the advantage the Midwest states had. Here is a chart to help you understand.

List of U.S. states and territories by historical population - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In the late 90's/2000's came the internet -- less and less recruits would slip thru the crack as coaches could watch a recruit with the click of the button.

In the early/mid 00's came the national football camps, now these kids could be viewed by the dozens at one spot by coaching staffs.

In the early/mid 00's -- high schools started running strength programs, kids started getting individualized position camps, 7 on 7 tournies around the country, etc. What this does is -- it eliminates a lot of those diamond in the rough recruits who come int as a 0 star and become All-Americans. Recruits are closer than ever to their ceiling, which makes signing those elite 5 star/top 50, top 100 type recruits.

All of these things are why Nebraska isn't going to be a national power again, it is why Michigan won't be a national power and last year is about their ceiling, it is why Notre Dame is in the same boat as UM.

You HAVE to have a rich base of recruits in your state. Those recruits have grown up as fans, they know everything about the school, they have been to the games -- with social media -- those kids turn into your best recruiters to sell the school and program.

It isn't rocket science -- it also isn't a coincidence that the top schools recruiting are the schools located in talent rich states. And the schools winning national titles every year are the schools located in talent rich states.

Do you ever get tired of repeating the same shit? We all have seen you post this shit time and again. No one gives a shit. As a matter of fact, I doubt many posters (at least Nebraska fans) even talk to you, it's always you dick riding in every thread.

You believe this... K. We don't give a shit, nor do we think that it is somehow impossible to achieve nowadays. Why do you even watch football or support Michigan? You already know their ceiling as you said, so who gives a fuck? What point is there?

Geez, you're like the Rocko of the CFB threads. You're worse than Honors and Fred.

 

[Gatorchip]

And Florida if they get their shit together.

The world doesn’t need that to ever happen though

The fuck you two talking about? Florida owns Tennessee.

in fact, both Nebraska and Tennessee pull out a victory vs the Gators just about one time every 30 years. But the difference is that Tennessee plays us annually.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Yeah -- but they have quite a few elite CB's and have had some big time edge recruits recently. If they can keep them in state -- they should be alright. Korey Foreman was the #2 recruit in the nation. Kayvon Thibedeaux (sp) was the #1 recruit in the nation. So while they may not have had quantity -- they have had quality at the position.

DT -- i could see it being an issue -- but that's an issue for pretty much everyone. I can't imagine OL being an issue. Riley brought in great OL's at OU. I can't imagine he won't do the same at USC with the ridiculous skill position talent he brings in.

I'm not saying USC is going to be the Bama of the West. Just that they will be able to bring in top 5 type classes and be able to compete with the big dogs after a few years.

That was a list of DL and Edge players. Top 50 for each year. Don't care how good they are, you have to stack them like cord wood to have enough depth. UGA regularly rotated 9 DL/Edge this year. When you compare how many there in the deep south, it's no wonder those teams are stacked.

As for CBs, that's a skill player and I assume they can get pretty good ones from Cali. But, if you look at who is winning the NCs, it's the LOS that's winning, or a generational QB (looking at you Auburn).

If we are looking at in-state OL, Cali doesn't have it. In 2023, there are 0 from Cali. 2022, there was one and he ended up at UGA. In 2020, there was 1 and he was the 50th best of the top 50. In other words, Cali doesn't produce OL, at least not in the last 3 years. Riley will get some, but he's got his work cut out for him building OL and DL depth.

At the end of the day top 5 classes are good only if they are balanced and have great LOS. It will be interesting to see if Riley can pull that off. A lot of people think that is a given, and I am not convinced it is. He couldn't at OU (DL) and he has to get them all the way to the other side of the country now.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

That was a list of DL and Edge players. Top 50 for each year. Don't care how good they are, you have to stack them like cord wood to have enough depth. UGA regularly rotated 9 DL/Edge this year. When you compare how many there in the deep south, it's no wonder those teams are stacked.

As for CBs, that's a skill player and I assume they can get pretty good ones from Cali. But, if you look at who is winning the NCs, it's the LOS that's winning, or a generational QB (looking at you Auburn).

If we are looking at in-state OL, Cali doesn't have it. In 2023, there are 0 from Cali. 2022, there was one and he ended up at UGA. In 2020, there was 1 and he was the 50th best of the top 50. In other words, Cali doesn't produce OL, at least not in the last 3 years. Riley will get some, but he's got his work cut out for him building OL and DL depth.

At the end of the day top 5 classes are good only if they are balanced and have great LOS. It will be interesting to see if Riley can pull that off. A lot of people think that is a given, and I am not convinced it is. He couldn't at OU (DL) and he has to get them all the way to the other side of the country now.

I agree about the LOS, but Riley was able to get them to go to Oklahoma. They always had a good OL. It is the defensive side that is the question mark. But as I said -- the DL, especially DT is an issue for almost every team.

Also -- i'm not saying he is going to be building a monster at USC. I just think he has a much better chance at winning a national title at USC than he did at OU, as recruiting will be much easier. If he can attract any type of out of state talent to USC -- he will be up in the top 5 yearly.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

We didn't do anything in the CFP because we didn't play any defense. And thank God our most recent DC is now at USC where the Trojan fans are going to see how well a "Speed D" does. OU will be fine. We just went through hell and still had the #7 class in the country. Give us good years and we'll consistently be up in the top 5. Then the rest of it is up to Venables and the rest of the staff. Also, we are going to the SEC for the $$$. Don't know if that's a smart move yet or not but there is your reason.

I was just flipping thru the channels and came across Oklahoma against Michigan................women's gymnastics.

I didn't even know UM had a women's gymnastic team, but they are the #1 team in the NCAA. Oklahoma is #2. Who knew?

 

[Tin Man]

There is only Tennessee for us.

 

[Tin Man]

Did you know that Tennessee has the oldest hockey club in the south? Yep. Since 1966, hockey has been a club sport at UT.

 

[Tin Man]

A new power is rising from hallowed ground in East Tennessee. The Volunteers will teach you the true nature of Orange.

 

[Tin Man]

Nebraska is OK. They have a skydiving club.

 

[Thiefery]

If we are looking at in-state OL, Cali doesn't have it. In 2023, there are 0 from Cali.

On3 has 3 OT from CA ranked in the top 50 at their position (consensus), 2 players in the top 50 for IOL (consensus).

It's still early and with camps and evaluations heating up this spring there will be movement.

But what SC has to do is lock down AZ who is becoming a more fertile ground as people have been moving there. Crazy how Bijan, Ransom, Ringo all were die hard trojans growing up and were leans there. Took SC with a deadman walking HC for them to go elsewhere.

SC will be ok if Riley is as good as his track record suggests.

 

[Gatorchip]

Did you know that Tennessee has the oldest hockey club in the south? Yep. Since 1966, hockey has been a club sport at UT.

My guess is that they have never beaten Florida in hockey.

 

[navamind]

A new power is rising from hallowed ground in East Tennessee. The Volunteers will teach you the true nature of Orange.

ETSU are gold and navy, not orange

 

[Knight&Day]

ETSU are yellow and navy, not orange

Fify.

 

[broncosmitty]

Did you know that Tennessee has the oldest hockey club in the south? Yep. Since 1966, hockey has been a club sport at UT.

 

[broncosmitty]

I was just flipping thru the channels and came across Oklahoma against Michigan................women's gymnastics.

I didn't even know UM had a women's gymnastic team, but they are the #1 team in the NCAA. Oklahoma is #2. Who knew?

I knew Sparty had women’s gymnastics…

 

[7samurai13]

I knew Sparty had women’s gymnastics…

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Do you ever get tired of repeating the same shit? We all have seen you post this shit time and again. No one gives a shit. As a matter of fact, I doubt many posters (at least Nebraska fans) even talk to you, it's always you dick riding in every thread.

You believe this... K. We don't give a shit, nor do we think that it is somehow impossible to achieve nowadays. Why do you even watch football or support Michigan? You already know their ceiling as you said, so who gives a fuck? What point is there?

Geez, you're like the Rocko of the CFB threads. You're worse than Honors and Fred.

I watch because i'm a fan and i enjoy watching football. I'm also not a blind homer who will say my team is something they are not.

This board is filled with Nebraska fans who simply believe they are just a coach away from being elite, REFUSING to accept CFB is completely different from 20-30 years ago, recruiting is completely different than 20-30 years ago, high school recruits are completely different than 20-30 years ago and Nebraska's appeal is completely different than 20-30 years ago now they are simply another team in the "other division of the B1G" (if you aren't sure which one that is -- it is the division who is 0-8 in B1G CCG's)

But you are right -- Nebraska will be the one and only team in CFB who will be elite with zero in state and zero talent in surrounding states. While the elite programs are signing 2,3,4,5+ five star recruits A YEAR, Nebraska will be elite by signing 2 since the turn of the century. They are simply a coach away.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

I watch because i'm a fan and i enjoy watching football. I'm also not a blind homer who will say my team is something they are not.

This board is filled with Nebraska fans who simply believe they are just a coach away from being elite, REFUSING to accept CFB is completely different from 20-30 years ago, recruiting is completely different than 20-30 years ago, high school recruits are completely different than 20-30 years ago and Nebraska's appeal is completely different than 20-30 years ago now they are simply another team in the "other division of the B1G" (if you aren't sure which one that is -- it is the division who is 0-8 in B1G CCG's)

But you are right -- Nebraska will be the one and only team in CFB who will be elite with zero in state and zero talent in surrounding states. While the elite programs are signing 2,3,4,5+ five star recruits A YEAR, Nebraska will be elite by signing 2 since the turn of the century. They are simply a coach away.

So apparently you don't get tired of spouting your nonsense. So if Nebraska isn't close because 'talent', can you explain why every game last year game down to things you can fix via coaching (i.e. penalties, TOs, special teams)? It is not unreasonable to think that if the coaching was stronger in those areas that every one of those games was winnable, no? Time are different... yeah, no shit. Michigan fans dick ride like a motherfucker now.

Again, being as how you are the perfect fan and SOOOOO intelligent, smaht, not a homer, know your ceiling, etc.... why do you watch Michigan at all? Where is the point? As you said the best that they can do is make the play off every once in a while and even then, it'll just go exactly how it did. Why bother? Why would someone waste their time on something they are soooo certain about? I mean, you actually don't sound like a fan at all. You sound like a whiny bitch that believes retarded shit. Maybe you should go watch soccer, that might be the 'futball' for you.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

So apparently you don't get tired of spouting your nonsense. So if Nebraska isn't close because 'talent', can you explain why every game last year game down to things you can fix via coaching (i.e. penalties, TOs, special teams)? It is not unreasonable to think that if the coaching was stronger in those areas that every one of those games was winnable, no? Time are different... yeah, no shit. Michigan fans dick ride like a motherfucker now.

Again, being as how you are the perfect fan and SOOOOO intelligent, smaht, not a homer, know your ceiling, etc.... why do you watch Michigan at all? Where is the point? As you said the best that they can do is make the play off every once in a while and even then, it'll just go exactly how it did. Why bother? Why would someone waste their time on something they are soooo certain about? I mean, you actually don't sound like a fan at all. You sound like a whiny bitch that believes retarded shit. Maybe you should go watch soccer, that might be the 'futball' for you.

I watch Michigan for the same reason you watch a 3 or 4 win Nebraska team. I'm a fan. Unlike you though, I'm not a fool. I know the limitations UM has and understand they have zero chance of being able to recruit with the like of Bama, Georgia or even Ohio State. Why? Because schools like Bama and Georgia AVERAGE multiple 5 star recruits EVERY YEAR from their back yard. They sign 4, 5, 6+ top 100 recruits from their own backyard. Guess who will NEVER be able to do that...................Nebraska. You've signed 2 five star recruits in 22 years.

But hey -- you are right -- Nebraska is simply a coach away. Nebraska will be the only team in all of college football with no in state talent and bringing in top 15-30 recruiting classes and be nationally elite, because hey, before the internet, before national high school camps, before advanced coach at the HS level, before strength and conditioning coaches at the HS level -- Nebraska could compete with the nationally elite do that. BREAKING NEWS -- All those things exist now. The days of having 5, 6, 7 walk ons or low ranked recruits who turn into NFL draft picks are over. That's why schools spend millions and millions on recruiting -- because recruits are closer to their ceiling than ever before -- little to no one slips thru the cracks.

COULD Nebraska reach the CFP? Absolutely. The stars would have to align, every bounce would have to go their way and they'd have to pray OSU wasn't waiting for them in the B1G CCG. It may happen again, but it will be a once every 20 years or so. There is zero chance they will be nationally elite in today's CFB unless they completely changed recruiting and went to a draft, which will never happen.