Tennessee or Nebraska?

Which team returns to being a legit contender first?

  • Tennessee

    Votes: 19 63.3%

  • Nebraska

    Votes: 8 26.7%

  • Amish Potato Salad

    Votes: 3 10.0%
  • Total voters
    30
TheReal_NU said:
wow. It takes a special person to copy and paste a wall of numbers that means less than the normal garbage that he types.

congratulations.
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I'd like to call that wall of numbers.............facts. But i'm sure, like EVERY Nebraska fan, you will say it is the coaches fault. :beer2:

At some point the fan base will realize it isn't the 80's and 90's anymore and the game has completely changed. Until then -- blame the coach.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:

1		2021Big Ten39.250180.1117.106.60Scott Frost (3-9)
22020Big Ten350.375350.3750.145.14Scott Frost (3-5)
32019Big Ten570.417360.3332.674.002424Scott Frost (5-7)
42018Big Ten480.333360.3333.484.82Scott Frost (4-8)
52017Big Ten480.333360.3331.528.18Mike Riley (4-8)
62016Big Ten940.692630.6677.552.947Mike Riley (9-4)Music City Bowl-L
72015Big Ten670.462350.3756.563.94Mike Riley (6-7)Foster Farms Bowl-W
82014Big Ten940.692530.62510.261.722211Bo Pelini (9-3), Barney Cotton (0-1)Holiday Bowl-L
92013Big Ten940.692530.6255.220.451818Bo Pelini (9-4)Gator Bowl-W
102012Big Ten1040.714710.8759.794.22171425Bo Pelini (10-4)Capital One Bowl-L
112011Big Ten940.692530.6258.763.0710824Bo Pelini (9-4)Capital One Bowl-L

THIS is point proven. But you are right -- just a coach away. As I said -- all kinds of coaches are lining up to go to a school with zero in state talent and who now have rivals like Wisconsin and Iowa. :facepalm:
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I'm not even trying to argue with you anymore. Just please stop repeating yourself. We understand your opinion, but have disagreements. But you are becoming insufferable. Just chill.

You look and see a pattern. We look and see coaching bringing the program down. Mike Riley didn't require the players to weight lift.... think about that for a minute. No way for any of us to know for certain, but I do think that if Frost got in after Pelini instead of Riley, that we wouldn't have seen that much if any of a drop off. Not saying we would be where we want either, idk what to think of Frost yet and I know that sounds weird saying that after 4 years.

I actually just listened to a youtube video from (ironically) a Michigan fan about how Frosts previous staff was essentially a G5 staff that didn't understand the transition and level of play necessary in the P5 and that he believes his staff now is set up to make real strides, part of me agrees with that. I definitely feel like his offensive staff is miles better than any of his previous staff. I still have defensive worries, but they have been relatively consistent in improvements year over year, little by little.

Check it out if you want. I am sure he probably makes videos on all sorts of the teams. Or don't, Idc. I like listening to all sorts of perspectives.

 
Blackshirts BLVD said:
I'm not even trying to argue with you anymore. Just please stop repeating yourself. We understand your opinion, but have disagreements. But you are becoming insufferable. Just chill.

You look and see a pattern. We look and see coaching bringing the program down. Mike Riley didn't require the players to weight lift.... think about that for a minute. No way for any of us to know for certain, but I do think that if Frost got in after Pelini instead of Riley, that we wouldn't have seen that much if any of a drop off. Not saying we would be where we want either, idk what to think of Frost yet and I know that sounds weird saying that after 4 years.

I actually just listened to a youtube video from (ironically) a Michigan fan about how Frosts previous staff was essentially a G5 staff that didn't understand the transition and level of play necessary in the P5 and that he believes his staff now is set up to make real strides, part of me agrees with that. I definitely feel like his offensive staff is miles better than any of his previous staff. I still have defensive worries, but they have been relatively consistent in improvements year over year, little by little.

Check it out if you want. I am sure he probably makes videos on all sorts of the teams. Or don't, Idc. I like listening to all sorts of perspectives.

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Coaching is an issue for Nebraska, but recruiting is their biggest issue. Nebraska was already at a big disadvantage to other big programs with no in state talent and the move out of the Big 12 to the B1G West made it an even bigger disadvantage. Couple that with the fact you have 3 schools (OSU, UM and PSU) who will out-recruit Nebraska every year and another (MSU) who will recruit about the same -- it makes winning a conference title extremely difficult. I think Nebraska can get to the point where they compete for the West division regularly with Wisconsin and Iowa, but winning the B1G regularly isn't happening unless OSU falls off a cliff or is given the death penalty by the NCAA.

In today's CFB -- you are not winning a national title without elite recruiting. You may have a year where everything goes right and you get to the CFP (see Michigan last year). But the end result is getting drubbed by "fill in elite team". It is why since 2014 -- the average margin of victory in the CFP semifinal is over 20 ppg. The talent differential is enormous between the elite and everyone else.

People mention how i talk about OSU even though I am a Michigan fan -- here is why and to explain to you how big the difference is between a top 5 class and a top 10 recruiting class.
2020 -- UM had the #2 class in the B1G, #10 class in the nation. Our highest ranked recruit was AJ Henning.

If AJ Henning had signed with OSU, he would have been the 10th highest ranked recruit in their class. Think how absurd that is and it isn't like OSU had the #1 recruiting class -- they had the #5 recruiting class nationally. Recruiting today is an entirely different animal. With social media, national camps, etc. -- it isn't going to change any time soon, because now these elite recruits can contact other recruits daily, they can play on national 7 on 7 teams, they can follow them on twitter, instagram, etc.

I have no issue at all with Nebraska. It'd be great for the B1G if they got back to winning 9/10 games and I think they will because they don't have any elite recruiting teams in the B1G West. But to win the B1G -- Nebraska is facing an enormous uphill battle, when you have multiple teams who will be more talented and that fucking team in the Armpit of America continues to recruit like the big dog schools.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis (a.k.a. TrustMeIAmRight's) ad nauseum rants are hilarious.

Nebraska truly lives rent free in his head.
Most likely an emotional issue stemming from 1997. It's like Rainman got Post Title Stress Disorder.

I engage him every once in a while for kicks, but page after page and thread after thread are the same rants.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Coaching is an issue for Nebraska, but recruiting is their biggest issue. Nebraska was already at a big disadvantage to other big programs with no in state talent and the move out of the Big 12 to the B1G West made it an even bigger disadvantage. Couple that with the fact you have 3 schools (OSU, UM and PSU) who will out-recruit Nebraska every year and another (MSU) who will recruit about the same -- it makes winning a conference title extremely difficult. I think Nebraska can get to the point where they compete for the West division regularly with Wisconsin and Iowa, but winning the B1G regularly isn't happening unless OSU falls off a cliff or is given the death penalty by the NCAA.

In today's CFB -- you are not winning a national title without elite recruiting. You may have a year where everything goes right and you get to the CFP (see Michigan last year). But the end result is getting drubbed by "fill in elite team". It is why since 2014 -- the average margin of victory in the CFP semifinal is over 20 ppg. The talent differential is enormous between the elite and everyone else.

People mention how i talk about OSU even though I am a Michigan fan -- here is why and to explain to you how big the difference is between a top 5 class and a top 10 recruiting class.
2020 -- UM had the #2 class in the B1G, #10 class in the nation. Our highest ranked recruit was AJ Henning.

If AJ Henning had signed with OSU, he would have been the 10th highest ranked recruit in their class. Think how absurd that is and it isn't like OSU had the #1 recruiting class -- they had the #5 recruiting class nationally. Recruiting today is an entirely different animal. With social media, national camps, etc. -- it isn't going to change any time soon, because now these elite recruits can contact other recruits daily, they can play on national 7 on 7 teams, they can follow them on twitter, instagram, etc.

I have no issue at all with Nebraska. It'd be great for the B1G if they got back to winning 9/10 games and I think they will because they don't have any elite recruiting teams in the B1G West. But to win the B1G -- Nebraska is facing an enormous uphill battle, when you have multiple teams who will be more talented and that fucking team in the Armpit of America continues to recruit like the big dog schools.
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So what are you trying to say?
 
Red_Alert said:
NewPhoneWhoDis (a.k.a. TrustMeIAmRight's) ad nauseum rants are hilarious.

Nebraska truly lives rent free in his head.
Most likely an emotional issue stemming from 1997. It's like Rainman got Post Title Stress Disorder.

I engage him every once in a while for kicks, but page after page and thread after thread are the same rants.
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I do this for kicks too -- it gives me a good laugh when every Nebraska fan blames the coach and truly believe they are a coach away from being elite again.
 
my bad for the chart that i posted from twitter earlier.. this one apparently is more accurate
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NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I do this for kicks too -- it gives me a good laugh when every Nebraska fan blames the coach and truly believe they are a coach away from being elite again.
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Of course you do, Rainman.

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Normal peeps don't rant 6 paragraphs of the same content, 40 times in a thread, day after day.
 
Red_Alert said:
Of course you do, Rainman.

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Normal peeps don't rant 6 paragraphs of the same content, 40 times in a thread, day after day.
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I don't do that -- I simply respond to Husker fans who think it is 1980's still
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I'd like to call that wall of numbers.............facts. But i'm sure, like EVERY Nebraska fan, you will say it is the coaches fault. :beer2:

At some point the fan base will realize it isn't the 80's and 90's anymore and the game has completely changed. Until then -- blame the coach.
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Bigot
 
Thiefery said:
my bad for the chart that i posted from twitter earlier.. this one apparently is more accurate
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So the gap will go from about $20 million to $50 million, right?

There’s your Superconferences. Looks like it will be the P2 and the G8.
 
Thiefery said:
we weren't rivals like that, but I get what you are saying. I think we all can agree that the old Big12 was set up better for them than the current BiG. However, as I'm sure you have seen, they made the right move leaving the Big12. It's still a storied program, they have more of a major coaching issue than the lack of homegrown talent, imo. Just make the right hire and things will begin to get better
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Why is the 24-25 SEC estimate such a steep increase? 25-26 and beyond makes sense because that is the expected time that OU and Texas will be in. Why would such a steep increase happen the year before? They aren't earning anything for the SEC yet.

Or am I mistaken?
 
Red_Alert said:
There's not one Husker fan here that thinks it's the 1980's, dumbass.
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Then you do understand Nebraska won't be elite nationally in today's CFB because they have no chance to recruit like the nationally elite and you are just being difficult. Got it.
 
Blackshirts BLVD said:
Why is the 24-25 SEC estimate such a steep increase? 25-26 and beyond makes sense because that is the expected time that OU and Texas will be in. Why would such a steep increase happen the year before? They aren't earning anything for the SEC yet.

Or am I mistaken?
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My guess would be that is when their next contract negotiation will be. The B1G and SEC alternate who makes the most money on TV revenue, but adding Texas and OU will likely make them the top earners now.
 
Deep Creek said:
So the gap will go from about $20 million to $50 million, right?

There’s your Superconferences. Looks like it will be the P2 and the G8.
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And still, we get moron posters on here representing the jilted Big XII teams who are infuriated that OU and Texas had the audacity to jump to the SEC where we'll probably never win another football game and suffer the horrors of being associated with a bunch of slack jawed mouth breathers who don't give a shit about academics. :tsk:
 
Blackshirts BLVD said:
Why is the 24-25 SEC estimate such a steep increase? 25-26 and beyond makes sense because that is the expected time that OU and Texas will be in. Why would such a steep increase happen the year before? They aren't earning anything for the SEC yet.

Or am I mistaken?
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I think it's because TX/OU are expected to go before that. i.e. When the GOR penalty gets more reasonable. Every year that passes the GOR penalty gets smaller. Previous fiscal revenue X 4 years, X 3 years, X 2 years, etc..

These media rights contracts are fluid based upon eyeballs. They are simply a forward looking estimate. If TX/OU go to the SEC in 2023 than there will obviously be more eyeballs on the marquee matchups, therefore more revenue to the conference in 2024 and 2025.
 
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