Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC

How long?

  • Year 1

    Votes: 6 26.1%

  • Within the first 3-5 seasons

    Votes: 9 39.1%

  • At LEAST 10 years

    Votes: 6 26.1%

  • Texas BBQ style potato salad

    Votes: 2 8.7%
  • Total voters
    23
  • Poll closed .
Volbound1700 said:
Agreed. However schools like Arkansas and Tennessee have potential. With the right coaching, players, etc. these programs can come back and win at the high level again. Arkansas had a nice run under Bobby Petrino winning 10-11 games a season and competing in the top ten. They were only stopped by Alabama from winning the West. Tennessee had its run through the 1990s and early 2000s where it was a top tier program and they are still ranked in top 10-15 all-time college football programs. Just because they are bad now, doesn't mean they were always good. Alabama and Oklahoma had some bad years in the 1990s so they won't always be on top.
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Yep.

Any halfway decent program is one step away from a Dabo at Clemson.
 
Red_Alert said:
Because football, Basketball, and baseball pay the athletic dept's bills.

They'll all get pay raises they can upgrade their facilities with and fund the sports that operate in the red because the only people buying tickets to watch them are family members.
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Other than sheer dollars, which I don't think those programs need, I don't really see how it helps those schools and Texas as well.

I mean if a school like USF wanted to join the SEC, well ... that is a win/win for USF.
 
CorpRebel said:
Seriously? I'd doubt it. I think the SEC will continue to reign as the highest payouts conference for the foreseeable future. B1G will be second.

The other conferences will probably struggle to KEEP what they are already getting.

But who knows?? We are in CRAZY times! :noidea:
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The SEC is not the highest paying now.

The Big 10 pays $9 million more.

Big 10: $54 million/team
SEC: $45 million/team
 
Deep Creek said:
Yeah, it looks like they frequently buy a pig in a poke to me. But, they keep offering it so they must be making a ton from it.
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But ESPN is laying off staff, profits are down. And these conferences think they can get big raises?

The most important people in college football are the account executives for the networks. They don't sell advertising, nobody gets paid.
 
Red_Alert said:
The SEC is not the highest paying now.

The Big 10 pays $9 million more.

Big 10: $54 million/team
SEC: $45 million/team
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For television contracts, this is true. SEC has generated more revenue due to fan attendance, more playoff/big bowl appearances, and merchandise sales. SEC also has two different TV contracts (CBS and ESPN... although CBS is ending which I hate).

So SEC probably makes more $$$ than B1G but both leagues are VERY CLOSE.
 
Red_Alert said:
I've wondered if it's truly a package deal.

The rhetoric I've read is that 'Both OU and TX have reached out to the SEC'. Not necessarily that they did it together.

It's a great move for OU, bar none. Get the fuck out of that mess ASAP. They will inevitably go broke trying to keep up with the SEC/Big 10 under the current Big 12 business model.

However, for tejas they'll lose the over 100 years of big dawg influence they've had over the SWC and Big 12.
A massive culture shock when someone from the SEC tells them to "Sit the fuck down and STFU'
Texas was getting appx $35 million a year in Big 12 revenue + $15 million a year from LHN. That's $50 million.

i.e. $6 million more than current SEC payouts and just $4 million shy of Big 10 payouts.

If other Big 12 schools are willing to give them a bigger slice of the pie, tejas could easily be in the $70 million/yr range next year by staying put.
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Even if Texas stayed, I just can't see ESPN/Fox etc continuing to offer as much to the Big 12 without Oklahoma. It would be similar to Ohio State leaving the B1G. It just doesn't look as sexy if you remove those two from their respective conferences.
 
ELTEXAN said:
Vandy is an expensive school for rich kids to go to and marry other rich kids. Stop pretending they’re Rice.
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Not any more ... at least not at the level when I went there 77-81. The Vandy I went to was a full on country club school. Some of that is left, but Vandy has 53% minority/international. I'll bet that when I went there it was less than 5% minority/international. What is left over after that is comprised of a lot of 1st generation students, and the rich kids of which you speak. It's almost impossible to get into if you are a white male ... you would need straight As, 15+ AP classes, and close to a perfect SAT/ACT, with a ton of leadership activities.

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Deep Creek said:
Goldbug's right though. When I travel through the Southeastern part of Oklahoma I get the feeling of a Deliverance type movie!

But, deep East Texas is also more like Louisiana than the rest of Texas IMO. (Some say West Texas is more like New Mexico and Arizona so there's that.)
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I'd go to the Lake Tenkiller area on weekends with a Seminole Indian babe I was dating. She had family there.

Beautiful country!!!

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Wild Turkey said:
If the Big 12 had mirrored revenue share like the SEC had in place and had given each member an equal voice at the table no one would have left and you would have a conference network right now and be competitive in other network deals.

aTm left specifically because of the LHN and I would bet that Nebraska would have liked to stay with their natural regional rivalries if the conference had been more stable. They left for stability reasons and took a pay hit for years in order to get stability.

You need to get your head out of the sand.
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I think A&M also left because they were little burned by the push to go to the Pac"16". Apparently, A&M hated the idea and cited that the group should have went to the SEC instead.
 
Kburjr said:
SEC teams rushing to the phones canceling OOC games against P5 schools
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UGA had OU and UT on their schedules for OOC, so those are gone.

You make a really good point ... in a conference that now has UT, OU, UA, LSU, UF, AU, TAMU, all of whom you will play every other year (assuming we go to pods and stay at 16), it doesn't make sense to have 2 great P% schools on the schedule. I hope we keel tOSU, UCLA, and FSU. I know are keeping Clemson.

If we learned anything from the last realignment it is that schedules will get remade. If the SEC goes to 9 IC game, which I think is likely, then for sure we would only play GaTech and 1 other P5, at most. If we stay at 8 games, then we might have more OOC games against P5.
 
Volbound1700 said:
Here is the problem with Texas, in the B1G. Who would they play that is a regional rival for Texas to play? In the SEC, they have Arkansas, LSU, Texas A&M, and Missouri which are all intriguing and close matchup teams to play along with Oklahoma. There is just more regional rivals/foes for Texas in the SEC.
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yep which is why i was so against going to the BiG. People acted as if NE would fill in the void of being a rival, but there wasn't enough time for that to really stick when they did share a conference.

SEC checked all the boxes.. Football, geography, baseball, and even Basketball
Red_Alert said:
The SEC is not the highest paying now.

The Big 10 pays $9 million more.

Big 10: $54 million/team
SEC: $45 million/team
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yep.. the CBS deal is one of the most underpaid contracts ever.. BTW UT is on par or makes a bit more than the equal shared BiG payout, thanks to the LHN deal. When UT enjoys the next SEC deal, they will be getting well over 65 mil.. CRAZY
 
Red_Alert said:
The SEC is not the highest paying now.

The Big 10 pays $9 million more.

Big 10: $54 million/team
SEC: $45 million/team
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This is true, but it's also just a function of when you last negotiated your contract. The B1G just did, the SEC is about to with ESPN taking over from CBS. I kind of look at the SEC and B1G as being the same in money payouts if you average it out over a decent period of time. That said, OU and UT to SEC will clearly put it ahead of a B1G that stands pat. Don't think the B1G will stand pat.
 
Kburjr said:
But ESPN is laying off staff, profits are down. And these conferences think they can get big raises?

The most important people in college football are the account executives for the networks. They don't sell advertising, nobody gets paid.
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I never thought ESPN would make money off the LHN. I'm sure they paid Texas more than they brought in but what the hell do I know. I'm one that doesn't even think conference networks are worth their money. They might as well change the name of of the SEC network to the Paul Finebaum Network.
 
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