Texas to use non profit charity to pay Offensive Linemen 50k a year

Anyone who didn't see something like this coming from a mile away has had their head deep in the sand.
 
Deep Creek said:
@Jon Deaux @Tin Man @WPS Got this in the mail yesterday from the Colonel's widow. Thought I'd share it.
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Kool Stuff!! Good to see that the Colonel's Missus is still doing good... :nod:

FN = Crazy Times ... I always wondered which one of us (me & O-6) got the most "time-outs" for frustrating those wacko FN Mods towards the end of FN's existence. :dhd:
 
BandwagonBo2 said:
If you cant see the difference, no amount of me explaining it to you will help that. Sorry for your lack of vision into what is actually happening, but we cant all see things clearly.
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I think you’re just whining tbh.
 
CorpRebel said:
Kool Stuff!! Good to see that the Colonel's Missus is still doing good... :nod:

FN = Crazy Times ... I always wondered which one of us (me & O-6) got the most "time-outs" for frustrating those wacko FN Mods towards the end of FN's existence. :dhd:
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But you two were getting time outs for things pleasing to the eye and the rest of us got to enjoy it. Those other nuts got time out for being idiots.
 
BandwagonBo2 said:
I am fine with it, why, because they are hired employee's of that University. Students are just that, there to learn something. They get free room and board, and education, and meals provided in most cases. Those educational scholarships are worth a ton of money, and its not to be taken lightly as you are doing. You add 85 times the amount of each scholarship at a University and see if that number doesnt astound you. In Alabama's case, the employees of the University are State employee's that work for a state supported University. Of course, that University makes millions off its football program, but it pumps it all back into salaries for its coaches and the best facilities that money can buy for all sports at that school, as well as returning some of the money the state is funding them with. It also spends money on research and development of new products for its players(say thank you for the sideline medical tents devised by Alabama and some of its engineering students). These are things the money goes for at Alabama that enhances the experience our players get when they become a scholarship student. That education is worth big money, but if you are asking if the 10 million we pay Saban and his staff is worth it, absolutely. The number of titles on the books since Saban got there is evidence of that.
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Is it cool if they set up that same situation in all industries, not just football? Companies get to coordinate to limit the pay of the people doing the principal work, and then those that enjoy the work get to decide by acclamation that that’s ok? Laughable.
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Paying Players Superthread

There is nothing ‘amateur’ about college football (except you wanting to call it that). It’s a multi-billion dollar industry where the schools, athletic departments, coaches, vendors, tv stations, merchandisers, etc all make millions upon millions. The principals, the players actually doing the...
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occupant said:
I can't wait for these guise to get these monies and then bolt through the portal to see how many other schools they can get to fork up MORE monies! :dhd:
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It doesn’t quite work like that. Quinn Ewers got millions in NIL deals. Most of those are national companies. Hell, one was a Texas company (Holy Kambucha, something like that). The important deals are going to be like this one. Stars don’t need this type of deal. It’s the ones that don’t get the headlines. I am all for it. To me it’s just taking the bag game out of the shadows and putting it on the table.
 
occupant said:
I can't wait for these guise to get these monies and then bolt through the portal to see how many other schools they can get to fork up MORE monies! :dhd:
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Shit with the Covid year and redshirt year, some of these guys can get CEO monies for 6 years.

Helluva Plan!
 
MarkOU said:
So shady to funnel money meant for charity to pay players.
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hey, i want to buy college players to join my alma mater and still get the tax break. don't judge me.
 
ELTEXAN said:
Is it cool if they set up that same situation in all industries, not just football? Companies get to coordinate to limit the pay of the people doing the principal work, and then those that enjoy the work get to decide by acclamation that that’s ok? Laughable.
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Paying Players Superthread

There is nothing ‘amateur’ about college football (except you wanting to call it that). It’s a multi-billion dollar industry where the schools, athletic departments, coaches, vendors, tv stations, merchandisers, etc all make millions upon millions. The principals, the players actually doing the...
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For your premise to work, the NCAA would need to mandate that all its workers be set to a certain scale. How do coaches and asst coaching staff fit into your neat little package? The NCAA has always mandated Amateurism for its college player, be present. When they start getting paid is when they are essentially are no longer an amateur player. This has been the standard since amateur sports has been around, but I am not against established companies with products signing players as it stands today.
What I do have issues with are non profits being created specifically with one stance in mind, to pay players from slush money being provided by boosters. This is a deviation from what was originally intended for this NIL agreement. It is, in effect, funneling money to players from boosters. And this can be increased easily and used as a recruiting tool. "listen, we are going to take care of you if you come to xyz University. We can put money into our charity and have you make maybe one or two appearances a year and maybe one weekend working on a house, and then we can give you an extra $100K to enjoy and do with as you please'

This is a slippery slope that the NIL agreement was not intended for. And it, IMO, is a bastardization of what was granted by the NCAA so players could be paid for their likeness and sponsorship support of products already established. Not created specifically as slush fund money. All this has done is allow teams to bid on players, which was not the intended use of the NIL.
 
Rat poison
 
broncosmitty said:
I think you’re just whining tbh.
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Whining about what? You do realize that the University that I pull for has charities set up that could do this very thing and players already spend many hours in the off season working on Habitat for Humanity homes, and charitable events for Nicks Kids foundation. And they get no money for doing so. Why? Because its for Charity and to give back to the community that supports them. To date, Nicks Kids foundation has built and donated 18 houses for underprivileged families in the Tuscaloosa area, many of which lost everything during the Tornadoes a few years back.
To put this so you'll see my issue with this. When you start paying players from a charity and making them go to these evens because they are being given money, they are no longer doing this as charity and are now doing so because they are being paid to do so. It makes a difference in the way its perceived by the public and the way the player perceives it as well. It now is a job, not charity.
 
BandwagonBo2 said:
For your premise to work, the NCAA would need to mandate that all its workers be set to a certain scale. How do coaches and asst coaching staff fit into your neat little package? The NCAA has always mandated Amateurism for its college player, be present. When they start getting paid is when they are essentially are no longer an amateur player. This has been the standard since amateur sports has been around, but I am not against established companies with products signing players as it stands today.
What I do have issues with are non profits being created specifically with one stance in mind, to pay players from slush money being provided by boosters. This is a deviation from what was originally intended for this NIL agreement. It is, in effect, funneling money to players from boosters. And this can be increased easily and used as a recruiting tool. "listen, we are going to take care of you if you come to xyz University. We can put money into our charity and have you make maybe one or two appearances a year and maybe one weekend working on a house, and then we can give you an extra $100K to enjoy and do with as you please'

This is a slippery slope that the NIL agreement was not intended for. And it, IMO, is a bastardization of what was granted by the NCAA so players could be paid for their likeness and sponsorship support of products already established. Not created specifically as slush fund money. All this has done is allow teams to bid on players, which was not the intended use of the NIL.
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It is looking more and more like the NCAA as we've known it is gone. Big money football schools are no longer going to tolerate a bunch of smaller schools dictating rules that don't allow them to do the things that they feel are most beneficial to them. As far as athletic revenues go, the tail's been wagging the dog.

University of Mary Hardin Baylor is located in Belton, TX. It is a Division III school and has had good success in football (National Champions as recently as 2018) and other sports. It is located 60 miles from the University of Texas at Austin and 40 miles from Baylor University in Waco. But they might as well be on different planets in regards to the amount of revenue generated and money spent. The same NCAA One Size Fits All rules do not meet the needs of both types of programs.

March Madness is the only NCAA wild card.
 
Deep Creek said:
It is looking more and more like the NCAA as we've known it is gone. Big money football schools are no longer going to tolerate a bunch of smaller schools dictating rules that don't allow them to do the things that they feel are most beneficial to them. As far as athletic revenues go, the tail's been wagging the dog.

University of Mary Hardin Baylor is located in Belton, TX. It is a Division III school and has had good success in football (National Champions as recently as 2018) and other sports. It is located 60 miles from the University of Texas at Austin and 40 miles from Baylor University in Waco. But they might as well be on different planets in regards to the amount of revenue generated and money spent. The same NCAA One Size Fits All rules do not meet the needs of both types of programs.

March Madness is the only NCAA wild card.
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I cannot disagree with you on what you stated. There is no one size fits all for anything(spandex wearers in Walmart proves this). I can see how this is going to change this sport, but I do think that those like myself who were against this and saw how it could be manipulated are being shown now to be correct, that schools will find ways to get big booster money to players simply to get them to come to the school. Gone are the days of the bag man, and secret deals to fix your Daddy's church. Disclaimer: The previous instances are purely fictional and not meant to be a slight at any institutions.
 
BandwagonBo2 said:
For your premise to work, the NCAA would need to mandate that all its workers be set to a certain scale. How do coaches and asst coaching staff fit into your neat little package? The NCAA has always mandated Amateurism for its college player, be present. When they start getting paid is when they are essentially are no longer an amateur player. This has been the standard since amateur sports has been around, but I am not against established companies with products signing players as it stands today.
What I do have issues with are non profits being created specifically with one stance in mind, to pay players from slush money being provided by boosters. This is a deviation from what was originally intended for this NIL agreement. It is, in effect, funneling money to players from boosters. And this can be increased easily and used as a recruiting tool. "listen, we are going to take care of you if you come to xyz University. We can put money into our charity and have you make maybe one or two appearances a year and maybe one weekend working on a house, and then we can give you an extra $100K to enjoy and do with as you please'

This is a slippery slope that the NIL agreement was not intended for. And it, IMO, is a bastardization of what was granted by the NCAA so players could be paid for their likeness and sponsorship support of products already established. Not created specifically as slush fund money. All this has done is allow teams to bid on players, which was not the intended use of the NIL.
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No. My metaphor works perfectly fine. The NCAA has forever limited the compensation of the principals, the players.
you trying to say that because they don’t limit the coaches, that’s somehow a justification to limit the players is outright sophistry. It’s laughable argumentation.

then you state that ‘amateurism’ is a feature of their model. Lol. Yes, a feature of their unethical model. Literally rejected by the SCOTUS as assanine argumentation (scroll and read earlier in the superthread)…

“Businesses like the NCAA cannot avoid the consequences of price-fixing labor by incorporating price-fixed labor into the definition of the product. Or to put it in more doctrinal terms, a monopsony cannot launder its price-fixing of labor by calling it product definition”
 
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BandwagonBo2 said:
I cannot disagree with you on what you stated. There is no one size fits all for anything(spandex wearers in Walmart proves this). I can see how this is going to change this sport, but I do think that those like myself who were against this and saw how it could be manipulated are being shown now to be correct, that schools will find ways to get big booster money to players simply to get them to come to the school. Gone are the days of the bag man, and secret deals to fix your Daddy's church. Disclaimer: The previous instances are purely fictional and not meant to be a slight at any institutions.
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Not sure the "schools will find ways" but the boosters/alumni will damn sure find ways. Boosters/alumni were the ones who started this one at Texas.

And as long as there isn't an entity that has the teeth to police them, it'll be the wild, wild, west. Right now the only enforcement group(s) that I see are the Department of Labor, IRS, etc. The NCAA has been neutered in the NIL and other areas.
 
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