The entire playoff committee needs to be drawn & disemboweled

I've been to an Indiana @ Ohio State game before.
I bet it's a better game this time.
Hang on Sloopy!

 
Codaxx said:
Too close to the loss. I don’t think Ole Miss is the same team that lost to UK. Lot of transfers there and it took some time to gel. I don’t doubt Kiffen’s ability to lose the big game, but hard to say Georgia is better than Ole Miss..
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I have a feeling that can be said about a lot of teams. Not saying it is an excuse. Alabama could say we aren't the same team that lost to Vanderbilt. Notre Dame ain't the same team that lost to Northern Illinois (not SEC, I know). Or Tennessee not being the same team that lost to Arkansas. I bet the committee is hoping for some upsets.
 
Collegefbfan said:
I have a feeling that can be said about a lot of teams. Not saying it is an excuse. Alabama could say we aren't the same team that lost to Vanderbilt. Notre Dame ain't the same team that lost to Northern Illinois (not SEC, I know). Or Tennessee not being the same team that lost to Arkansas. I bet the committee is hoping for some upsets.
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It is true for all teams though. Teams are just different in September than they are in October or November.
A team is never as good as their best game or as bad as their worst game. Just the way it is. That is one thing that I totally admire about Undefeated teams (regardless of schedule). Oregon, Indiana and Army have figured out how to win every week - even when they were not at their best. All of the other teams cannot say that. Doesn't mean that Oregon, Indiana and Army are the three best teams, but it does mean they are the three best navigators of a difficult three month stretch. If it was so easy to go undefeated, there would be more than three teams with a zero at the end of their record. G00d on them!
 
78Cyclones said:
It is true for all teams though. Teams are just different in September than they are in October or November.
A team is never as good as their best game or as bad as their worst game. Just the way it is. That is one thing that I totally admire about Undefeated teams (regardless of schedule). Oregon, Indiana and Army have figured out how to win every week - even when they were not at their best. All of the other teams cannot say that. Doesn't mean that Oregon, Indiana and Army are the three best teams, but it does mean they are the three best navigators of a difficult three month stretch. If it was so easy to go undefeated, there would be more than three teams with a zero at the end of their record. G00d on them!
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Sometimes a team is fortunate enough to have their "not at their best" games against weaker opponents. When you have one against the good teams you play (if any) it usually doesn't go very well.
 
78Cyclones said:
It is true for all teams though. Teams are just different in September than they are in October or November.
A team is never as good as their best game or as bad as their worst game. Just the way it is. That is one thing that I totally admire about Undefeated teams (regardless of schedule). Oregon, Indiana and Army have figured out how to win every week - even when they were not at their best. All of the other teams cannot say that. Doesn't mean that Oregon, Indiana and Army are the three best teams, but it does mean they are the three best navigators of a difficult three month stretch. If it was so easy to go undefeated, there would be more than three teams with a zero at the end of their record. G00d on them!
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I have always agreed with this. I just wonder if the deciding minds consider this. I hear a lot of them say, "Well, that Notre Dame loss to NIU in the early season is hurting them." Or, "Remember when so and so played so and so the third game of the season. That loss will affect them because so and so is 3 and 7 right now."
 
78Cyclones said:
It is true for all teams though. Teams are just different in September than they are in October or November.
A team is never as good as their best game or as bad as their worst game. Just the way it is. That is one thing that I totally admire about Undefeated teams (regardless of schedule). Oregon, Indiana and Army have figured out how to win every week - even when they were not at their best. All of the other teams cannot say that. Doesn't mean that Oregon, Indiana and Army are the three best teams, but it does mean they are the three best navigators of a difficult three month stretch. If it was so easy to go undefeated, there would be more than three teams with a zero at the end of their record. G00d on them!
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Collegefbfan said:
I have always agreed with this. I just wonder if the deciding minds consider this. I hear a lot of them say, "Well, that Notre Dame loss to NIU in the early season is hurting them." Or, "Remember when so and so played so and so the third game of the season. That loss will affect them because so and so is 3 and 7 right now."
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Yep. RIGHT NOW, the team I would want to play the least is Ole Miss.

The good news is they are always capable of "Kiffing" a game when it counts.
 
Deep Creek said:
Sometimes a team is fortunate enough to have their "not at their best" games against weaker opponents. When you have one against the good teams you play (if any) it usually doesn't go very well.
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Texas played its by far worst half of the season against UGA while UGA played five levels better than they have the rest of their games.
 
ELTEXAN said:
Texas played its by far worst half of the season against UGA while UGA played five levels better than they have the rest of their games.
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Texas will get wrecked again b4 the playoffs
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
If IU beats Ohio by 10. Ryan Day should be shot by a sniper from a rooftop. I mean, he should be fired.
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Well, I probably over extended that a bit. I can see IU winning by 1-3, or losing by 20 or so. Really not sure how good they are, but they have looked good every game against low to fair opponents. If the MI game is any gauge, IU could get back to reality.
 
psaboy said:
Well, I probably over extended that a bit. I can see IU winning by 1-3, or losing by 20 or so. Really not sure how good they are, but they have looked good every game against low to fair opponents. If the MI game is any gauge, IU could get back to reality.
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What if the Nebraska game was any gauge...
 
Codaxx said:
UGa over Ole Miss? Didn’t I just watch them get manhandled by Ole Miss?

I have little faith in Ewers, so I can’t argue Texas at 4
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So, on our loss to Ole Miss you want to go H2H. But we beat your team like a drum in your stadium, so you shouldn't be in front of us, right (Iget you have one loss ... but isn't H2H everything)? And Bama shouldn't be behind UTjr who beat them, but Bama beat us and we beat UTjr. As you can see, the H2H argument falls apart once you have multiple teams "tied." Then you have to look at other things that I will call "body or work." It's exactly how the conferences drew up their tie-breaker scenarios.

H2H is only used where the total number of teams tied all played each other. But that fails - let's say that Bama, UGA, and UTjr are the only 3 teams tied. Bama beat us, we beat UTjr, and UTjr beat Bama. So, HTH fails because we are all 1-1 in the H2H results. It's one of the problems with the Committee and their lack of consistency. They mention H2H sometimes, and then ignore it. UGA seems to have a wall in front of them with Ole Miss and Bama, both teams they beat. But UTjr is behind Bama, a team they beat. The H2H applies to UGA, not to Bama.

So, what is the body of work you look at? it should look at more than just how many wins you have. And, within reason how many losses. We can all agree that some wins are better than others, right? And that some teams play harder schedules than others. That should be considered. if you aren't going to look at that all the time, not just some of the time, get a poll that balances wins, losses, SOS, etc. and go by that. If the Committee just does what a poll does, why do we need a Committee?

That's why I have UGA in front of Ole Miss.

What's kind of funny is that the SEC really hurt itself by having several of its top teams lose to bad teams - Bama v. Vandy, Ole Miss v. Ky, and UTjr v. Arkansas. But the minute you point that out, remember you are know acknowledging that who you play matters. You can't have it both ways.
 
ELTEXAN said:
Texas played its by far worst half of the season against UGA while UGA played five levels better than they have the rest of their games.
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Yaerh, pretty sure it wasn't just one game:

Texas has the worst offensive & defensive efficiency numbers of any team in the Top 11 despite playing one SEC team with an above .500 record

If Texas is 11th out of 11 when you’ve gotten to play the bottom of the league then the league is great or Texas is bad.

You guys are a lot like IU in that regard:

 
Before I take any criticism seriously, I need to see the alternative top 25 that you think is better.
 
I know it's just one metric but here's the ESPN SOR (Strength of Record):

Oregon - 1st
Georgia - 2nd (10th in CFP)
Ohio State - 3rd
Penn State - 4th
Texas - 5th
Indiana - 6th
Alabama - 7th
BYU - 8th (14th in CFP)
Miami - 9th
Tennessee - 10th
Texas A&M - 11th (15th in CFP)
Ole Miss - 12th (9th in CFP)
Notre Dame - 13th (6th in CFP)
SMU - 14th
Boise State - 15th (12th in CFP)
South Carolina - 16th
Clemson - 17th
Arizona State - 18th (21st in CFP)
Army - 19th
LSU - 20th
Colorado - 21st (16th in CFP)
Iowa State - 22nd
Missouri - 23rd
Kansas State - 24th
Illinois - 25th

Tulane - 27th (20th in the CFP)
UNLV - 30th (24th in CFP)

Overrated by CFP:
Notre Dame
Tulane
UNLV
Colorado
Boise State
Ole Miss

Underrated by CFP:
Georgia
BYU
Texas A&M
Arizona State

I know it's one metric and it's not definitive, etc. I've looked at a lot of metrics, there's some inconsistencies but I don't see bias towards a conference or towards certain brands.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
So, on our loss to Ole Miss you want to go H2H. But we beat your team like a drum in your stadium, so you shouldn't be in front of us, right (Iget you have one loss ... but isn't H2H everything)? And Bama shouldn't be behind UTjr who beat them, but Bama beat us and we beat UTjr. As you can see, the H2H argument falls apart once you have multiple teams "tied." Then you have to look at other things that I will call "body or work." It's exactly how the conferences drew up their tie-breaker scenarios.

H2H is only used where the total number of teams tied all played each other. But that fails - let's say that Bama, UGA, and UTjr are the only 3 teams tied. Bama beat us, we beat UTjr, and UTjr beat Bama. So, HTH fails because we are all 1-1 in the H2H results. It's one of the problems with the Committee and their lack of consistency. They mention H2H sometimes, and then ignore it. UGA seems to have a wall in front of them with Ole Miss and Bama, both teams they beat. But UTjr is behind Bama, a team they beat. The H2H applies to UGA, not to Bama.

So, what is the body of work you look at? it should look at more than just how many wins you have. And, within reason how many losses. We can all agree that some wins are better than others, right? And that some teams play harder schedules than others. That should be considered. if you aren't going to look at that all the time, not just some of the time, get a poll that balances wins, losses, SOS, etc. and go by that. If the Committee just does what a poll does, why do we need a Committee?

That's why I have UGA in front of Ole Miss.

What's kind of funny is that the SEC really hurt itself by having several of its top teams lose to bad teams - Bama v. Vandy, Ole Miss v. Ky, and UTjr v. Arkansas. But the minute you point that out, remember you are know acknowledging that who you play matters. You can't have it both ways.
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I look at like this. Texas Georgia was a closer played game than Ole Miss Georgia.
Total yards were separated by 26 yards in Texas game, but you beat that ass
Ole Miss out-gained Georgia by 152 yards, but you think Georgia is better. That doesn’t make much sense. I didn’t say anything about Texas being above Georgia. I tend to be rational about these things
 
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