The Intro to the Chiefs/Texans Game

[Mofo]

There is no such thing as a Black National Anthem.

The notion is not only racist in nature, but promotes segregation as a positive.

Yeah, that's a head-scratcher. At the core of a lot of these anti-racism struggles are some very real racist ideas. I doubt we'll reconcile any of them during this period, which is essentially using frustration to push a political agenda:

1. Clothing, food and hairstyles may only be used and enjoyed by people deemed ethnic enough.
2. Interracial dating and marriage is frowned upon; "they're stealing our (wo)men!"
3. Reparations mean actual physical payments of money and goods, taken from stores via looting, if necessary.
4. The N-word is cast as the most horrible word that may ever be uttered, and there must be strict punishments for anyone who uses it. Except if you're black, and then it's a harmless word.
5. Of course, the Jews are white now, and may be persecuted as the villain, for whatever purposes are required.
6. Anyone may identify as whoever and whatever they feel like: men as women, children as mute, craigk216 as sexually desirous of doorknobs. Except whites can't pretend to be blacks. Even if it's pretending to be ugly African studies professors.
7. Everyone is a victim, everyone needs to be a protected class and commissions need to be set up to study how to advance those peoples.
8. Denial that crime in black communities is substantially higher than white, Hispanic, Asian or any other community or that personal accountability towards fixing it begins with black leaders and black households.
9. The idea that education, hard work and success are racial attributes to be avoided as "too white". The Museum of African American History and Culture even promoted this.
10. That professional sports leagues, even ones vastly dominated by black athletes, who earn millions to play a game, can claim shared victimhood with anyone else. NBA players especially appear obtuse, as they overlook the billions their league earns from a relationship with China, a country that enslaves people, imprisons people for political belief and commits genocide.


Sports were borderline unwatchable already, with uneven officiating and COVID-19 hoops. Adding nonstop social commentary and a plethora of meaningless gestures is going to have the opposite effect, if the goal is to get more fans and have them spend money on the product.

 

[Gatorchip]

I think you are wrong because you are willingly ignoring something because it rubs you the wrong way.

and instead you will complain about how it is ruining your experience.

I said I never watch pregame crap. It's not interesting me me. That's well before people began to disrespect america.

 

[ill]

I said I never watch pregame crap. It's not interesting me me. That's well before people began to disrespect america.

lol

"disrespect America"

kneeling is not "disrespecting America"

ignoring pleas from Americans who feel slighted is "disrespecting America"

denying Americans the same rights and privileges everyone in America should have is "disrespecting America"

 

[Deep Dish Pizza Goat]

For what?

The color of their skin apparently... you know...to view them differently...

 

[OregonDucks]

I could care less if someone kneels, someone stands, don't care, do what you want, it's part of the freedom of speech, but I am tired of Politics consuming everything we watch now on television. Any form of entertainment, sports, etc. all dominated by politics. We have all bee consumed by politics for the last 6 months, it's unescapable and has been. I think many are simply just tired of the politics.

If the sports leagues want to dedicate time to focus on these political issues, then give a disclaimer beforehand that you are going to dedicate the first 10 minutes of the broadcast to political issues. I tuned in to see kick off at 5:20 PM and was immediately shown an image of players kneeling during the anthem. Kneel, I don't care, but it wasn't that they were kneeling was my issue, my issue was it seemed NBC and the NFL purposefully were showing that to drive their point across, when all I want to do is watch a football game, a game and moment for the next 3 hours, everyone, EVERYONE, can put their differences aside, the world problem aside and just come together and root for your team. That's part of the greatness of sports.

 

[Top Cat]

Oh yeah, well, uh, Eagles fans boo'd Santa, uh, uh, nothing to see here.

 

[Mcnabb7542]

it's a good question...

or is it for the owners so the owners can make more money?

owners pay the players so the team can win and bring in more revenue...which is where the fans come in...

so which piece is more crucial?

Um it's the fans that generate the revenue!
So with that said every jersey, every ball cap, every ticket, parking, and of course the all mighty price of NFL ticket lines the pockets of the League, Owners, and Players...

So if the fanbase falls off then the owners will be looking to get that revenue back in the cash register so the sense would be cut down on the displays of social justice on game days and just focus on the game.

A very strong example is the Miami Dolphins I already mentioned, they have a video that they can tweet, snap, instagram the hell out of as their players focus on the games on Sunday.

If teams want to head to the locker room and skip the anthems and just come out and inter lock arms with opposing teams for unity that is fine.
End of the day Sunday should be about the game, nothing else. The players should be focused on their health to walk off the field not carried off, their heads need to be in the game.

If the league or the players association wants to run commercial ads about social justice then do it that way, let the players focus on their games!

 

[Mcnabb7542]

Oh yeah, well, uh, Eagles fans boo'd Santa, uh, uh, nothing to see here.

Were you even born when that actually happened?

 

[Top Cat]

Were you even born when that actually happened?

No.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Enough with the politics in sports... Collinsworth can also go fuck himself.

Al Michaels was the only professional last night because when it came to the politics and trying to put it in sports he didn't say a fuckin' word and focused on what we're watching the program for, WHICH IS FOOTBALL. Protest all you want (peaceful my ass) on your own time, but Jesus Christ... the only thing we had left was sports because thanks Hollyweird, and now we can't even watch that without hearing libtard messages 24/7.

 

[Mcnabb7542]

No.

Well stop believing what @Nosferatu keeps telling you.
It happened in 1968 and the Eagles were playing his crappy Vikings on that day.
Everyone knew Nos was in his 50's back then and was a heavy drinker so he can't even remember what started the whole thing

 

[Mofo]

lol

"disrespect America"

kneeling is not "disrespecting America"

ignoring pleas from Americans who feel slighted is "disrespecting America"

denying Americans the same rights and privileges everyone in America should have is "disrespecting America"

Using the National Anthem as a forum to raise issues of social justice, is indeed "disrespecting America". You can make a very good argument that professional sports has become saturated with patriotic imagery, particularly the seemingly nonstop salutes to the military. But while we're supposed to be standing, hats off, hand-over-heart / saluting and being quietly respectful for 90 seconds, these causes have turned athletes themselves into attention whores. Would it be appropriate if someone started burning a flag during a funeral? We're not talking about Tommie Smith and John Carlos raising a fist at the 1968 Olympics award podium- this is designed to be seen and be outrageous, and clearly at the expense of reverence for the flag and anthem.

 

[Nosferatu]

Well stop believing what @Nosferatu keeps telling you.
It happened in 1968 and the Eagles were playing his crappy Vikings on that day.
Everyone knew Nos was in his 50's back then and was a heavy drinker so he can't even remember what started the whole thing

I love Eagles fans, they cheered when Michael Irvin got hurt! Was a heavy drinker? Stop using past tense bitch!!

 

[ill]

Using the National Anthem as a forum to raise issues of social justice, is indeed "disrespecting America". You can make a very good argument that professional sports has become saturated with patriotic imagery, particularly the seemingly nonstop salutes to the military. But while we're supposed to be standing, hats off, hand-over-heart / saluting and being quietly respectful for 90 seconds, these causes have turned athletes themselves into attention whores. Would it be appropriate if someone started burning a flag during a funeral? We're not talking about Tommie Smith and John Carlos raising a fist at the 1968 Olympics award podium- this is designed to be seen and be outrageous, and clearly at the expense of reverence for the flag and anthem.

it's a song and a symbol.

taking a knee while the song is playing is still respecting the whole process. You are still stopping what you are doing to give it your attention, IMO.

but they are just representations and not the actual country and not the actual United States. There are things that I would considered to be "disrespecting America" and that list is full of actions that would be considered treason, but kneeling while looking up at the flag is not one of them.

 

[Mofo]

it's a song and a symbol.

taking a knee while the song is playing is still respecting the whole process. You are still stopping what you are doing to give it your attention, IMO.

but they are just representations and not the actual country and not the actual United States. There are things that I would considered to be "disrespecting America" and that list is full of actions that would be considered treason, but kneeling while looking up at the flag is not one of them.

That argument is tired. It's like saying we can deface war memorials, clog the streets with protests and burn down buildings, because everything is symbolic. Again, you wouldn't defend someone stripping nude and taking a big dump during a military funeral, would you? The idea that somehow you can protest and be respectful during an expected period of reverence, is not new. But clearly a line has been crossed if we need to play a new National Anthem just for black folk.

 

[ill]

That argument is tired. It's like saying we can deface war memorials, clog the streets with protests and burn down buildings, because everything is symbolic. Again, you wouldn't defend someone stripping nude and taking a big dump during a military funeral, would you? The idea that somehow you can protest and be respectful during an expected period of reverence, is not new. But clearly a line has been crossed if we need to play a new National Anthem just for black folk.

you're so dramatic.

maybe if you didn't get your panties in a bunch over a little kneeling, there wouldn't be defaced statues and all that.

 

[Nosferatu]

ignoring pleas from Americans who feel slighted is "disrespecting America"

This is complete nonsense. Why doesn't Thomas Sowell or any other black conservative talk about feeling slighted? They instead talk about white privilege being a myth and talk about the destruction of the black family being the reason for such high crime and high incarceration rates among blacks. Thomas Sowell laughs when asked about reparations. Only blacks that have been brainwashed by democrats talk about feeling slighted!

 

[Mofo]

you're so dramatic.

maybe if you didn't get your panties in a bunch over a little kneeling, there wouldn't be defaced statues and all that.

Uh huh. "A little kneeling" is a gross underestimation of what's going on.

Again, where's the line. Is it okay to topple statues, deface war memorials and set buildings on fire? If it were as simple as kneeling during the anthem, there'd be no controversy, and other than a ton more people doing it, no one would much care. The fucking poster-child for kneeling self-attention during the anthem tried to push the envelope further by wearing these:

There's polite, appropriate protest and the angry, riotous variety. In between, there's a few different options, but attention-whoring doesn't deserve respect. Years ago, when I attended Capitals games, there's a certain segment of the audience that screams "OOOOOHHHH" during the "O say does that star-spangled banner yet wave" portion of the song, and that's disrespectful AF too.

 

[Mcnabb7542]

I love Eagles fans, they cheered when Michael Irvin got hurt! Was a heavy drinker? Stop using past tense bitch!!

And people wonder how Hollywood came up with the idea of filming two old grouchy guys

 

[Gatorchip]

kneeling is not "disrespecting America"

Kneeling is not disrespecting america. Kneeling during the national anthem is however...

ignoring pleas from Americans who feel slighted is "disrespecting America"

I agree

denying Americans the same rights and privileges everyone in America should have is "disrespecting America"

I agree


Perhaps the solution here is to find a new venue that doesn't intentionally disrespect others? I also recommend to stop looting and burning down businesses. I don't understand how you can side with people who "protest" in this manner.