The official Michigan Owns Ohio State thread

Across The Field said:
LMAO the incredible irony that Rudock is the only QB Harbaugh has even gotten drafted in 8 years
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Michigan had a 6th ranked class in 2012, and a 4th ranked class in 2013 under Hoke. Michigan lost a lot of those players before Harbaugh got there because of Hoke, and because we fired him. In Hoke's last season the 2014 class ranked 20th and the 2015 class ranked 37th because Harbaugh got here with like a week or two to get a class going in the transition. We required taking an Iowa QB transfer to compete -- To act like that 2015 team was loaded is silly.

OSU fans are talking about firing Day because of his team's performance, with one of the best 4 year averages accross recruiting classes of any team. So it's kind of funny that you're sitting here talking about Harbaugh instantly winning 10 games in his first 3/4 seasons with Jake Ruddock and Co. isn't a huge accomplishment for a team that had exactly 3 10 win seasons in the 15 years prior to Harbaugh.

And again, if you look at our draft classes -- it's lineman. Both offensive and defensive lineman. Which is the core of a football team.
 
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MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
....a lot of which had left, leaving Harbaugh to scramble for an Iowa transfer at QB. When you're starting Jake Ruddock you're not getting a team that's loaded. I'd love for Ryan Day to have a Jake Ruddock. Fixing rosters and especially cultures, can take a while. Especially reversing a roughly 15 year stretch of losing to Ohio State.
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Due to the fact we had a horrible stretch against ohio state, I am not ready to say we "own" them. ohio state has not declined, we just got better and became a respectable rival that ohio state deserves. The last thing I going to do is brag about a game that never happened, because we didn't show up. Let's make it three in a row ... it ain't gonna be easy.
 
Voltaire said:
Due to the fact we had a horrible stretch against ohio state, I am not ready to say we "own" them. ohio state has not declined, we just got better and became a respectable rival that ohio state deserves. The last thing I going to do is brag about a game that never happened, because we didn't show up. Let's make it three in a row ... it ain't gonna be easy.
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It still isn't wrong to say Ohio State has not beaten Michigan since 2019 and their fans know that. And personally, I like how much it jibbles their panties. NO matter what happened in 2020, it's been a long while since their fans got to celebrate a win vs us.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Michigan had a 6th ranked class in 2012, and a 4th ranked class in 2013 under Hoke. Michigan lost a lot of those players before Harbaugh got there because of Hoke, and because we fired him. In Hoke's last season the 2014 class ranked 20th and the 2015 class ranked 37th because Harbaugh got here with like a week or two to get a class going in the transition. We required taking an Iowa QB transfer to compete -- To act like that 2015 team was loaded is silly.

OSU fans are talking about firing Day because of his team's performance, with one of the best 4 year averages accross recruiting classes of any team. So it's kind of funny that you're sitting here talking about Harbaugh instantly winning 10 games in his first 3/4 seasons with Jake Ruddock and Co. isn't a huge accomplishment for a team that had exactly 3 10 win seasons in the 15 years prior to Harbaugh.

And again, if you look at our draft classes -- it's lineman. Both offensive and defensive lineman. Which is the core of a football team.
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Crying about recruiting class rankings is so bogus if your coach is actually elite. Over Harbaugh's first 5 years, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Penn State all had as many or more wins than michigan. They weren't killing it in recruiting either, especially Wisconsin and Iowa. As Voltaire pointed out, you've just now the past 2 years finally become a respectable rival, but clearly as last year showed, we don't even need to beat you to play for/win a NC. The "jibbles in panties" among OSU fans is nowhere near as bad as it has been for the previous two decades of the 2000s for you guys. We've proven time and time again that we are among the national elites; you guys haven't and can't.
 
Across The Field said:
Crying about recruiting class rankings is so bogus if your coach is actually elite. Over Harbaugh's first 5 years, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Penn State all had as many or more wins than michigan. They weren't killing it in recruiting either, especially Wisconsin and Iowa. As Voltaire pointed out, you've just now the past 2 years finally become a respectable rival, but clearly as last year showed, we don't even need to beat you to play for/win a NC. The "jibbles in panties" among OSU fans is nowhere near as bad as it has been for the previous two decades of the 2000s for you guys. We've proven time and time again that we are among the national elites; you guys haven't and can't.
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You mean...established teams, with established rosters...two of which competed in one of the easiest divisions in P5 CFB? weird. Recruiting matters, and it's really what separates teams like Ohio State/Alabama/Georgia and others. Michigan is now the only B10 team with multiple wins against Ohio State in the last, what, two decades?

It isn't as bad for OSU fans yet....but man, it will be interesting in Columbus if OSU loses this year. Probably the first time in a long while where OSU fans are going to go into that game extremely nervous about what's going to happen.

I would bet if Ryan Day had to start Jake Ruddock this year, they'd lose at least 3 games if not more.
 
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MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
It still isn't wrong to say Ohio State has not beaten Michigan since 2019 and their fans know that. And personally, I like how much it jibbles their panties. NO matter what happened in 2020, it's been a long while since their fans got to celebrate a win vs us.
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You are right ... it is not, it is just misleading. We need to get ready to play for them, because our blind arrogance is just giving them another reason to beat us. I subscribe to the Bo Schembechler compliment you opponent and get ready to hate and beat them on the field. No stupid quotes to inspire them.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
You mean...established teams, with established rosters...two of which competed in one of the easiest divisions in P5 CFB? weird. Recruiting matters, and it's really what separates teams like Ohio State/Alabama/Georgia and others. Michigan is now the only B10 team with multiple wins against Ohio State in the last, what, two decades?

It isn't as bad for OSU fans yet....but man, it will be interesting in Columbus if OSU loses this year. Probably the first time in a long while where OSU fans are going to go into that game extremely nervous about what's going to happen.

I would bet if Ryan Day had to start Jake Ruddock this year, they'd lose at least 3 games if not more.
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Franklin started in 2014 while Harbs started in 2015, but you never heard PSU fans complaining about the talent on their team, they were just better over that 5 year period.

Here's the thing: with the playoff, it's really not that important to beat michigan as long as we get to the CFP, which we've obviously shown we can. It's not 1995 anymore; yeah the rivalry is important and heated, but if we can win a NC, that clearly takes precedent. This is the difference in our programs and why michigan still isn't at our level: we have National Title aspirations every year, while michigan fans are just elated about two years of winning The Game and the B1G. We've been there done that so much that it doesn't move the needle. Only CFP appearances and NCs matter at this point in college football.
 
Across The Field said:
Franklin started in 2014 while Harbs started in 2015, but you never heard PSU fans complaining about the talent on their team, they were just better over that 5 year period.

Here's the thing: with the playoff, it's really not that important to beat michigan as long as we get to the CFP, which we've obviously shown we can. It's not 1995 anymore; yeah the rivalry is important and heated, but if we can win a NC, that clearly takes precedent. This is the difference in our programs and why michigan still isn't at our level: we have National Title aspirations every year, while michigan fans are just elated about two years of winning The Game and the B1G. We've been there done that so much that it doesn't move the needle. Only CFP appearances and NCs matter at this point in college football.
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...but you're taking a coach and removing his first year, and then comparing 5 years. If you compare Franklins first 5 seasons he won 45 games. If you compare Harbaugh's first 5 seasons he won 47 games. They were better over the period after Harbaugh started because you're deleting the 7 win season Franklin started with at Penn State the year prior. Franklin was also taking over a program who's worst team in the previous 9 years was a 7-5. He wasn't taking over a broken team, he was taking over a team who's coach bolted to the NFL for doing well. At the end of Hoke, Michigan's team was in shambles. If we're talking about Harbaugh taking over instead of RR and having the same problems....then you have a point. But we were pretty well broken by 2014.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
...but you're taking a coach and removing his first year, and then comparing 5 years. If you compare Franklins first 5 seasons he won 45 games. If you compare Harbaugh's first 5 seasons he won 47 games. They were better over the period after Harbaugh started because you're deleting the 7 win season Franklin started with at Penn State the year prior. Franklin was also taking over a program who's worst team in the previous 9 years was a 7-5. He wasn't taking over a broken team, he was taking over a team who's coach bolted to the NFL for doing well. At the end of Hoke, Michigan's team was in shambles. If we're talking about Harbaugh taking over instead of RR and having the same problems....then you have a point. But we were pretty well broken by 2014.
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Ok? You didn't hear Penn State fans complaining about talent over Franklin's first 5 years either. PSU was also just 2 years removed from the Sandusky scandal and in the middle of massive NCAA sanctions including a 4 year postseason ban, $60m fine, and reduced scholarships for 4 years with 5 years of probation, as well. If michigan was "broken", what would you call Penn State?
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
It still isn't wrong to say Ohio State has not beaten Michigan since 2019 and their fans know that. And personally, I like how much it jibbles their panties. NO matter what happened in 2020, it's been a long while since their fans got to celebrate a win vs us.
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It makes us so mad one of our fans on here wished cancer on someone's kid...oh wait
 
Across The Field said:
Ok? You didn't hear Penn State fans complaining about talent over Franklin's first 5 years either. PSU was also just 2 years removed from the Sandusky scandal and in the middle of massive NCAA sanctions including a 4 year postseason ban, $60m fine, and reduced scholarships for 4 years with 5 years of probation, as well. If michigan was "broken", what would you call Penn State?
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Penn State wasn't doing great, and that's reflected by the first 5 year span where Franklin did worse.....and Penn State absolutely complained about recruiting and talent (exactly how they got the NCAA to drop their scholarship limits). We just don't have a ton of Penn State fans aroudn these parts.
 
7samurai13 said:
So Harbaugh started on third and then ran to first? He had a top 5 and a top 10 class as his upper classmen when he started in Ann Arbor.
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They make every excuse in the world for Harbaugh not doing shit his first 6 years.

They act like they had a MAC team when he took over.

The "university is derailing his recruiting"

All kinds of BS lol
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
You mean...established teams, with established rosters...two of which competed in one of the easiest divisions in P5 CFB? weird. Recruiting matters, and it's really what separates teams like Ohio State/Alabama/Georgia and others. Michigan is now the only B10 team with multiple wins against Ohio State in the last, what, two decades?

It isn't as bad for OSU fans yet....but man, it will be interesting in Columbus if OSU loses this year. Probably the first time in a long while where OSU fans are going to go into that game extremely nervous about what's going to happen.

I would bet if Ryan Day had to start Jake Ruddock this year, they'd lose at least 3 games if not more.
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The same people who claimed Harbaugh was going to be hand picking any QBs he wanted are now saying "well he was saddled with not good QBs"

Lol!

Day doesn't have to settle for scrub transfers.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
They make every excuse in the world for Harbaugh not doing shit his first 6 years.

They act like they had a MAC team when he took over.

The "university is derailing his recruiting"

All kinds of BS lol
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But we weren't anywhere near Ohio State, right? So when Harbaugh started finishing 3rd in the B10...that was good...right? People are acting like we were Mel Tucker out here competing for last in the conference.
 
Across The Field said:
Ok? You didn't hear Penn State fans complaining about talent over Franklin's first 5 years either. PSU was also just 2 years removed from the Sandusky scandal and in the middle of massive NCAA sanctions including a 4 year postseason ban, $60m fine, and reduced scholarships for 4 years with 5 years of probation, as well. If michigan was "broken", what would you call Penn State?
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These bozos were claiming Harbaugh was going to bring in any and all recruits he wanted because of his NFL pedigree, when that turned out not to be the case they started blaming everyone BUT HARBAUGH for the lackluster recruiting
 
Across The Field said:
Franklin started in 2014 while Harbs started in 2015, but you never heard PSU fans complaining about the talent on their team, they were just better over that 5 year period.

Here's the thing: with the playoff, it's really not that important to beat michigan as long as we get to the CFP, which we've obviously shown we can. It's not 1995 anymore; yeah the rivalry is important and heated, but if we can win a NC, that clearly takes precedent. This is the difference in our programs and why michigan still isn't at our level: we have National Title aspirations every year, while michigan fans are just elated about two years of winning The Game and the B1G. We've been there done that so much that it doesn't move the needle. Only CFP appearances and NCs matter at this point in college football.
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Michigan's "golden run" under Harbaugh has manifested into nothing besides 2 playoff semi final embarrassments.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
These bozos were claiming Harbaugh was going to bring in any and all recruits he wanted because of his NFL pedigree, when that turned out not to be the case they started blaming everyone BUT HARBAUGH for the lackluster recruiting
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You wanted Harbaugh to recruit Hoke's 2014 class a bit better? Or the 2015 class that he had 2 weeks to fill after it was gutted by the time Harbaugh got there? Michigan still has yet to reach OSU level recruiting, which has been disappointing.
 
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