The Official SEC thread

WhosYourDawggy said:
We can pick out individual teams as we both have, but at the end of the day they have to figure out to determine if a 3 loss B1G/SEC team is better than a 1 loss other team that has a terrible SOS. I pointed out all year long that Texas got the benefit of the doubt, so this isn't an SEC thing as much as just wanting a system that looks at the disparity in schedules and and competition. It's hard with 136 teams, but it has to be done or we have to go with AQs.
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I think it just becomes subjective when you are starting to argue for 3 loss teams.

Is Bama going far in the playoff either? No, maybe they don't get embarrassed like SMU did but the result ultimately is a early out.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
So far in the NIL era, it's 2 SEC NC, and 2 B1G NC. We'll see how it goes from here. But as I posted above, the metrics don't indicate the B1G is suddenly going to pull a 2000-2024 SEC run.
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I never said they were. In fact I don't think that run is even possible anymore in the current climate.

The B1G and SEC will likely just keep trading off winning, the ACC and Big 12 get a seat at the table but it's hard to see them really winning much outside of maybe special cases here and there.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
If Ohio State in 2024 went 9-3 with losses to Oregon, Michigan & say Nebraska
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I like what you have to say here.

osubuckeye89 said:
both had multiple losses to meh teams.
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The strength of schedule argument is such bullshit. Why do you think a 3 loss Bama was even in the discussion? Because they had a good SOS. Did Bama have a better schedule than IU, yeah they did. They also lost to OU and Vandy. Ole Miss lost to UK and UF.

What do you think Ole Miss' and Bama's record is with IU's schedule? I'd guess best case the same, but given who they lost too, that's not guaranteed. What would IU's record have been if they played Bama or Ole Miss' schedule. I'm going to guess better than 9-3, based on the fact that IU didn't lose to anyone as shitty as Vandy, OU, UK and UF. If Bama would have beaten UGA, South Carolina, and had losses to Tenn, Texas, and say for arguments sake ND in the regular season, I think they would have gotten selected ahead of IU and SMU. The moral of the story is don't lose to shitty teams, so SOS is factored in.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
Who the losses come to really matter in my mind.

It's hard to take Bama or Ole Miss side when 2 of their 3 losses came to 5 6 7 or 8 loss teams.
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Totally ... it's why Bama and OM didn't get in last year. You can't lose to Vandy and 2024 OU.
 
I'd argue that if ANY 3 loss SEC team shoulda got in it shoulda been South Carolina.

I know they lost head to head to Ole Miss and Bama but they didn't have 2 bad losses like those 2
 
osubuckeye89 said:
I think it just becomes subjective when you are starting to argue for 3 loss teams.

Is Bama going far in the playoff either? No, maybe they don't get embarrassed like SMU did but the result ultimately is a early out.
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There are metrics that can determine if a 3 loss team is better than a 2 loss team or even a 1 loss team. Otherwise, you are just looking at the L column and the minute you do that the SEC will go to AQs.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
I'd argue that if ANY 3 loss SEC team shoulda got in it shoulda been South Carolina.

I know they lost head to head to Ole Miss and Bama but they didn't have 2 bad losses like those 2
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That was the problem ... they got curb stomped at home and lost a close on the Bama. But I am open to the idea they were playing better than the other 2 teams at the end of the year.

In a 16 team playoff, all 3 get in. You will have 3 loss teams in.
 
osubuckeye89 said:
I never said they were. In fact I don't think that run is even possible anymore in the current climate.

The B1G and SEC will likely just keep trading off winning, the ACC and Big 12 get a seat at the table but it's hard to see them really winning much outside of maybe special cases here and there.
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That was more generally directed at a lot of stuff I've seen on X the last few days in response to the SEC meetings.
 
ericd7633 said:
The strength of schedule argument is such bullshit. Why do you think a 3 loss Bama was even in the discussion? Because they had a good SOS. Did Bama have a better schedule than IU, yeah they did. They also lost to OU and Vandy. Ole Miss lost to UK and UF.

What do you think Ole Miss' and Bama's record is with IU's schedule? I'd guess best case the same, but given who they lost too, that's not guaranteed. What would IU's record have been if they played Bama or Ole Miss' schedule. I'm going to guess better than 9-3, based on the fact that IU didn't lose to anyone as shitty as Vandy, OU, UK and UF. If Bama would have beaten UGA, South Carolina, and had losses to Tenn, Texas, and say for arguments sake ND in the regular season, I think they would have gotten selected ahead of IU and SMU. The moral of the story is don't lose to shitty teams, so SOS is factored in.
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Exactly, if Ole Miss and Bama can lose to who they lost to they coulda also easily lost to Nebraska/Michigan/Washington type teams (Hell Bama DID lose to Michigan in their bowl game) as well. It's all speculation at this point, but to say Ole Miss/Bama FOR SURE finish with just 1 loss with Indiana's schedule is stupid.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
That was the problem ... they got curb stomped at home and lost a close on the Bama. But I am open to the idea they were playing better than the other 2 teams at the end of the year.

In a 16 team playoff, all 3 get in. You will have 3 loss teams in.
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They clearly were.

On that point timing of losses also matters.

If Bama had lost to OU like 3 weeks earlier for their 3rd loss then dominated the rest of their schedule then maybe they get the benefit of the doubt and put in. But no it was their 2nd to last game and then they looked pretty meh in their last game against a bad Auburn team as well.

You can't lose a 3rd game to a .500 team in later November and expect to be given favorability a few weeks later by the selection committee.
 
ericd7633 said:
The strength of schedule argument is such bullshit. Why do you think a 3 loss Bama was even in the discussion? Because they had a good SOS. Did Bama have a better schedule than IU, yeah they did. They also lost to OU and Vandy. Ole Miss lost to UK and UF.

What do you think Ole Miss' and Bama's record is with IU's schedule? I'd guess best case the same, but given who they lost too, that's not guaranteed. What would IU's record have been if they played Bama or Ole Miss' schedule. I'm going to guess better than 9-3, based on the fact that IU didn't lose to anyone as shitty as Vandy, OU, UK and UF. If Bama would have beaten UGA, South Carolina, and had losses to Tenn, Texas, and say for arguments sake ND in the regular season, I think they would have gotten selected ahead of IU and SMU. The moral of the story is don't lose to shitty teams, so SOS is factored in.
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Where did you see that I said Bama was in the discussion? I've never said that. They would be in in a 16 team CFP.

So, SOS that is heavily used in March Madness is also bullshit. Hell, let's let some of the G5 teams that lose 1 or 2 games get in before Bama because SOS doesn't matter. Of course it matters.

As to IU, where SOS matters is exactly what you typed ... at least Bama and OM beat good teams. IU didn't have a single good win. Yes, Bama and OM had bad losses, but IU didn't have any good wins ... that has to count for something. Again, not advocating for either to have gotten in last year.

Bama and OM lose no more than 2 games with IU's schedule, likely the one game to tOSU. IU loses at least 4 playing Bama/OM schedules.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Where did you see that I said Bama was in the discussion? I've never said that. They would be in in a 16 team CFP.

So, SOS that is heavily used in March Madness is also bullshit. Hell, let's let some of the G5 teams that lose 1 or 2 games get in before Bama because SOS doesn't matter. Of course it matters.

As to IU, where SOS matters is exactly what you typed ... at least Bama and OM beat good teams. IU didn't have a single good win. Yes, Bama and OM had bad losses, but IU didn't have any good wins ... that has to count for something. Again, not advocating for either to have gotten in last year.

Bama and OM lose no more than 2 games with IU's schedule, likely the one game to tOSU. IU loses at least 4 playing Bama/OM schedules.
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Considering who these teams lost to I don't think we can say that for sure. They very well coulda dropped 3 games.
 
How "good" were teams like LSU and Missouri really?

LSU lost to fucking USC, 2 score loss to Florida and 2 score loss to Texas A&M

Missouri beat absolutely nobody, their best SEC win was Arkansas

I don't think it's unrealistic that Indiana coulda beat LSU or Missouri.
 
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Speaking of, Looks like Missouri got another weak ass SEC schedule in 2025 as well, they legit might limp dick into the playoffs. They play Bama and South Carolina (BOTH at home) and that's about it, even then who knows how good Bama and South Carolina will actually be.
 
Illinois will be this years Indiana in the B1G. Though IMO they are better than Indiana was last year. Their schedule is complete dookie though

No big OOC test (Western Illinois, Duke & Western Michigan)

They play Ohio State but skip Oregon & Penn State, they also miss projected better mid tier teams (Iowa & Nebraska)

USC is a wildcard but that game is @ Illinois.
 
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