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Deep Creek said:
There is one significant difference among the three. The B1G's per school revenue is and will be closer to the SEC's than the ACC or the PAC 12. The B1G probably won't be #1 after OU and Texas join the SEC, but they won't be as far behind as the other two.
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The new media rights contract is still a couple years out. There is time for Nebraska, Penn St, and Michigan to get more competitive with Ohio St.

They don't necessarily even need to beat Ohio St, but they need to get better enough to get into NY6 bowls and eventually better enough to get 2 or 3 teams into an expanded play-off.
 
michaeljordan_fan said:
Sending less money USC's way is not a good strategy for keeping the conference together.
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Meh..... Nobody (on the outside) knows what USC's revenue is because they're a private institution. They don't have to report it.
I'd guess they're Top 10 and maybe even Top 5.
Same goes for Notre Dame. Most likely Top 10 or even Top 5.

Note who's missing here....

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Red_Alert said:
The new media rights contract is still a couple years out. There is time for Nebraska, Penn St, and Michigan to get more competitive with Ohio St.

They don't necessarily even need to beat Ohio St, but they need to get better enough to get into NY6 bowls and eventually better enough to get 2 or 3 teams into an expanded play-off.
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As "down" as those three have been, they are still name "brands" and are more of a national draw than the "other" PAC12 and ACC teams. At least IMO. My other opinion is regional viewership won't be and isn't as big a factor as it has previously been. Networks want a broader spectrum of viewers. But, what the hell do I know. They might be willing to pay a premium for Kansas viewership alone.
 
Red_Alert said:
Meh..... Nobody (on the outside) knows what USC's revenue is because they're a private institution. They don't have to report it.
I'd guess they're Top 10 and maybe even Top 5.
Same goes for Notre Dame. Most likely Top 10 or even Top 5.

Note who's missing here....

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We are 99th and still ain't gettin' our money's worth.
 
Red_Alert said:
If it makes you feel any better, Nebraska fans haven't been getting their money's worth either.
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That is pretty much anyone these days not named Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, Georgia, Okahoma, or LSU.
 
There's a rumor that the alliance is slow playing the irate 8 in order to slow down the UT/ou move to the SEC.
 
Wild Turkey said:
Secondly, you need to lock up Texas and OU to multiple home and home games and swap that out for exit fees (so you have a product to increase ratings at least in the short term).
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I think that makes too much sense.
 
Thiefery said:
There's a rumor that the alliance is slow playing the irate 8 in order to slow down the UT/ou move to the SEC.
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Not sure how they'd even begin to do that other than tell them to "Hold steady until the TX/OU GOR checks are cut". Which I believe is being done.

TX/OU are gone when they want to be gone and that's likely 2022 for football.

NCAA fiscal years begin August 31st..... i.e. 2019/2020, 2020/2021, 2021/2022. Therefore TX/OU will play the basketball and baseball seasons in the Big 12. They'll finish the fiscal year.

All bets are off for FY 2022/2023. The FY begins with football.
 
Thiefery said:
There's a rumor that the alliance is slow playing the irate 8 in order to slow down the UT/ou move to the SEC.
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I can tell you from experience that when situations like this come up 90% of what you read and hear is complete BS. Some of it is grounded in the truth but then it's spun until it no longer resembles the truth.

I don't think the slow play has anything to do with UT/OU to the SEC and everything to do with figuring out what is this going to look like when the dust settles. OU/UT is going to happen so they are focusing on their own conferences and what the best move for their own entities is. Publically the other conferences are in shock but behind closed doors, they know damn well they make the move also.

The PAC should have made UT/OU happen several years ago and it was a massive mistake not to. The only conference that might not have taken both schools is the B1G because Oklahoma isn't AAU. The ACC would have done it in a heartbeat and figured the logistics out later.
 
For 2022 SEC football scheduling reasons, I expect TX/OU to commit early 2022.

They really don't need to before then, but behind closed doors they likely already have told the SEC to schedule them.
No reason for SEC front office or TX/OU to announce it at this time when they've got 4/5 months to keep their fingers crossed that one of the Orphan 8 does something stupid.
 
Wild Turkey said:
I can tell you from experience that when situations like this come up 90% of what you read and hear is complete BS. Some of it is grounded in the truth but then it's spun until it no longer resembles the truth.

I don't think the slow play has anything to do with UT/OU to the SEC and everything to do with figuring out what is this going to look like when the dust settles. OU/UT is going to happen so they are focusing on their own conferences and what the best move for their own entities is. Publically the other conferences are in shock but behind closed doors, they know damn well they make the move also.

The PAC should have made UT/OU happen several years ago and it was a massive mistake not to. The only conference that might not have taken both schools is the B1G because Oklahoma isn't AAU. The ACC would have done it in a heartbeat and figured the logistics out later.
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Yup.... I call it 'click-bait'.

"How many clicks, likes, and 'shares' can I get from my tweet?
 
Red_Alert said:
Not sure how they'd even begin to do that other than tell them to "Hold steady until the TX/OU GOR checks are cut". Which I believe is being done.

TX/OU are gone when they want to be gone and that's likely 2022 for football.

NCAA fiscal years begin August 31st..... i.e. 2019/2020, 2020/2021, 2021/2022. Therefore TX/OU will play the basketball and baseball seasons in the Big 12. They'll finish the fiscal year.

All bets are off for FY 2022/2023. The FY begins with football.
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Exit fee is the exit fee, but the way the GOR is written up is that the remaining members of the conference are still entitled to the TV rights of schools who leave early. Meaning that they can get the TV money UT/ou makes in the SEC for the '22, '23, '24 seasons.. or something like that
 
Thiefery said:
Exit fee is the exit fee, but the way the GOR is written up is that the remaining members of the conference are still entitled to the TV rights of schools who leave early. Meaning that they can get the TV money UT/ou makes in the SEC for the '22, '23, '24 seasons.. or something like that
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Whoa. If so, that's a game changer.

It wouldn't necessarily benefit staying in the Big 12 for Iowa St/Kansas if they were to go Big 10, but it would be huge for anyone thinking about going PAC or ACC.

So to read you right, the Orphan 8 gets the estimated $19 million/team GOR penalty + a share of any TX/OU SEC revenue through 2024?
 
Red_Alert said:
Whoa. If so, that's a game changer.

It wouldn't necessarily benefit staying in the Big 12 for Iowa St/Kansas if they were to go Big 10, but it would be huge for anyone thinking about going PAC or ACC.

So to read you right, the Orphan 8 gets the estimated $19 million/team GOR penalty + a share of any TX/OU SEC revenue through 2024?
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Member schools granted their first and second tier sports media rights to the conference for the length of their current TV deals. The Grant of Rights (GOR) deal with the leagues' TV contracts ensures that "if a Big 12 school leaves for another league in the next 13 years, that school's media rights, including revenue, would remain with the Big 12 and not its new conference."[44]
 
Thiefery said:
Member schools granted their first and second tier sports media rights to the conference for the length of their current TV deals. The Grant of Rights (GOR) deal with the leagues' TV contracts ensures that "if a Big 12 school leaves for another league in the next 13 years, that school's media rights, including revenue, would remain with the Big 12 and not its new conference."[44]
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This is interesting. Now I see why OU and Texas haven't come to a buyout conclusion yet. Interesting... this changes a lot of things if correct.
 
Thiefery said:
Member schools granted their first and second tier sports media rights to the conference for the length of their current TV deals. The Grant of Rights (GOR) deal with the leagues' TV contracts ensures that "if a Big 12 school leaves for another league in the next 13 years, that school's media rights, including revenue, would remain with the Big 12 and not its new conference."[44]
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Wow. That reinforces why TX/OU want the Big 12 to implode ASAP.
 
Volbound1700 said:
This is interesting. Now I see why OU and Texas haven't come to a buyout conclusion yet. Interesting... this changes a lot of things if correct.
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yeah i don't think UT cares about the actual Exit penalty but they will be damned if they are going to break off the others off with their new deal.

But this is what the rumor is saying..Alliance is slow playing schools remaining in the Big12 to slow down the UT/ou move to the SEC. Alliance is just a voting block, interesting to see that the ACC is going along with it, since they seem to be in lockstep with the SEC. Probably all want more time to assess what to do when it comes to playoff expansion and the new NCAA constitution
 
Red_Alert said:
Wow. That reinforces why TX/OU want the Big 12 to implode ASAP.
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Also ESPN really wants the move to happen ASAP because they will be getting a lot of value now prior to when the new SEC deal gets rolling.. and having to pay for the 9th conference games with the additions of UT/ou.
 
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