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NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I'm not saying McCord is some otherworldly talent. He can make more throws than Howard can though. There is a reason Howard came back for a 5th year. The money Ohio gave him is more than he would make in the NFL, IF, he even makes it in the NFL.

McCord has the arm strength to make all the throws in the NFL. Howard does not.
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Yeah, and I can guarantee McCord will do the same thing and come back for a 5th year. McCord is never going to sniff an NFL field.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
If Harrison bailed out McCord -- what has the circus catches Jeremiah Smith done for Howard?

With your vast knowledge of football -- I'd think you would know yards lost on sacks count against the rushing stats of the QB in college.
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Smith hasn't had to make many circus catches for Howard. Just because he's been extremely good doesn't mean Howard has somehow been bad. Most of his catches from Howard have been good throws.

Also, I'm very aware sack yardage counts against rushing stats. That is the whole point - he was an incredible liability in the run game. Teams never had to even slightly worry about him using his feet, and his pocket awareness and mobility was garbage, unlike Howard.
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
He threw for the 7th most yards in Ohio history last year. Comparing him to Stroud, Fields and Haskins is ridiculous, as they are all top 15 NFL picks. Comparing Howard to those 3, he is also very mediocre then.

And McCord at Ohio -- thru 6 games last year -- He had thrown for roughly 1,650 with 12 tds and 1 int. Ohio was 6-0. Now do Howard.
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Given your lack of knowledge about college football this is understandable, but in all of college football, only 10 of the top 100 passing seasons happened before the year 2000. Prior to Urban and Day, OSU was never known for churning out tons of passing yards. Having the 7th most yards in a season means very little. Unlike Howard, though, McCord was developed here just like Haskins, Stroud, and Fields. Howard had to play at KSU with minimal QB development and no weapons, and was still successful. You should know this but you're not smart, so here we are.

Since we're through 7 games, ok:
McCord: 131/205, 64% comp, 1,937 yards passing, -31 yards rushing, 12 total TDs, 1 INT
Howard: 134/181, 74% comp, 1,795 yards passing, 91 yards rushing, 22 total TDs, 4 INT

As we've repeatedly said, Howard is demonstrably better. It is what it is.
 
Across The Field said:
Smith hasn't had to make many circus catches for Howard. Just because he's been extremely good doesn't mean Howard has somehow been bad. Most of his catches from Howard have been good throws.

Also, I'm very aware sack yardage counts against rushing stats. That is the whole point - he was an incredible liability in the run game. Teams never had to even slightly worry about him using his feet, and his pocket awareness and mobility was garbage, unlike Howard.

Given your lack of knowledge about college football this is understandable, but in all of college football, only 10 of the top 100 passing seasons happened before the year 2000. Prior to Urban and Day, OSU was never known for churning out tons of passing yards. Having the 7th most yards in a season means very little. Unlike Howard, though, McCord was developed here just like Haskins, Stroud, and Fields. Howard had to play at KSU with minimal QB development and no weapons, and was still successful. You should know this but you're not smart, so here we are.

Since we're through 7 games, ok:
McCord: 131/205, 64% comp, 1,937 yards passing, -31 yards rushing, 12 total TDs, 1 INT
Howard: 134/181, 74% comp, 1,795 yards passing, 91 yards rushing, 22 total TDs, 4 INT

As we've repeatedly said, Howard is demonstrably better. It is what it is.
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I can't say I've watched all of Ohio's games -- I did watch the Michigan State game and one he threw up it into double coverage and Jeremiah Smith had to make a one handed catch. Then he did it again on a TD catch. I pointed this out because you made it sound like McCord only threw for what he did because Harrison was making miracle catches.

And if you were aware sack yardage counts against rushing stats -- you wouldn't use the phrase "inexplicably bad rushing numbers." You'd know exactly why he had negative yards in rushing. There is nothing inexplicable about it.

It is great how you are trying everything to diminish McCord. You want to come up with any excuse on why Ohio lost to Michigan again last year, while trying to prop up a 5th year transfer QB, who is no better than what you had before. Hell -- Howard fits right in with all the gun slingers Ohio has had lately -- when they play a top 5 team -- they lose. At least McCord was hit while throwing his Int. Howard just made a ridiculously stupid slide.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
I can't say I've watched all of Ohio's games -- I did watch the Michigan State game and one he threw up it into double coverage and Jeremiah Smith had to make a one handed catch. Then he did it again on a TD catch. I pointed this out because you made it sound like McCord only threw for what he did because Harrison was making miracle catches.

And if you were aware sack yardage counts against rushing stats -- you wouldn't use the phrase "inexplicably bad rushing numbers." You'd know exactly why he had negative yards in rushing. There is nothing inexplicable about it.

It is great how you are trying everything to diminish McCord. You want to come up with any excuse on why Ohio lost to Michigan again last year, while trying to prop up a 5th year transfer QB, who is no better than what you had before. Hell -- Howard fits right in with all the gun slingers Ohio has had lately -- when they play a top 5 team -- they lose. At least McCord was hit while throwing his Int. Howard just made a ridiculously stupid slide.
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It's very clear you haven't watched many of OSU's games if you think Howard isn't leaps and bounds ahead of McCord as a QB. Yes, Smith made an awesome catch against MSU on one Howard throw. The TD pass was from Devin Brown, Howard has gotten hurt and was out for a bit. What I'm saying is, Marvin constantly bailed Kyle out in that Kyle would consistently just throw the ball in Marvin's direction and, since he's a freak of nature, Marvin would always figure out how to adjust and come down with it. Marvin had more receiving yards than all of our other WRs combined, while this year Howard is spreading the ball around much more because he's a better QB.

Yes, it is inexplicable how an actual QB at a big time program can finish a season with -65 yards rushing. Just by shear luck he should have been able to pull out a few runs to ensure that doesn't happen, but he was a complete liability.

I see you've gone full retard with your last paragraph as your desperation has reached maximum capacity. Howard is significantly better than Kyle, I'm very sorry your limited understanding of football is keeping you from understanding this. Fact is, if we had Kyle this year, we are losing to Oregon by 21+ and we're definitely losing to Nebraska, and who knows with the other games. If you love Kyle so much just become a Cuse fan or something, I dunno. It's getting really pathetic and creepy watching you gush all over our worst QB in well over a decade though.
 
Across The Field said:
It's very clear you haven't watched many of OSU's games if you think Howard isn't leaps and bounds ahead of McCord as a QB. Yes, Smith made an awesome catch against MSU on one Howard throw. The TD pass was from Devin Brown, Howard has gotten hurt and was out for a bit. What I'm saying is, Marvin constantly bailed Kyle out in that Kyle would consistently just throw the ball in Marvin's direction and, since he's a freak of nature, Marvin would always figure out how to adjust and come down with it. Marvin had more receiving yards than all of our other WRs combined, while this year Howard is spreading the ball around much more because he's a better QB.

Yes, it is inexplicable how an actual QB at a big time program can finish a season with -65 yards rushing. Just by shear luck he should have been able to pull out a few runs to ensure that doesn't happen, but he was a complete liability.

I see you've gone full retard with your last paragraph as your desperation has reached maximum capacity. Howard is significantly better than Kyle, I'm very sorry your limited understanding of football is keeping you from understanding this. Fact is, if we had Kyle this year, we are losing to Oregon by 21+ and we're definitely losing to Nebraska, and who knows with the other games. If you love Kyle so much just become a Cuse fan or something, I dunno. It's getting really pathetic and creepy watching you gush all over our worst QB in well over a decade though.
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You are so desperate to be right, it is humorous. Howard and McCord are two different QB's. McCord is a better passer than Howard, Howard is more mobile. Saying McCord only put up numbers because of Marvin, while he is doing it Syracuse with a team on nobodies, kills your explanation.

The addition of Howard changed nothing about Ohio for this year. Your best addition was adding Judkins. It gives you two different running backs who can go for 1,000 yards. Hell -- you already have 1300+ yards rushing this year. You had 1800 all of last year.

If you don't want large negative yards to happen -- protect your QB. Every pocket passer QB is going to have negative yards rushing because of sacks, unless you have an unbelievable offensive line, which Ohio hasn't had in a while. And you OBVIOUSLY had no idea about sacks counting against rushing stats, or you wouldn't have called it inexplicable -- but it doesn't surprise me in the least you didn't know that.

Someone has gone "full retard", but it isn't me. You just said Oregon would beat you by 21+ with McCord, even though McCord led Ohio to a 12-1 record, while beating one top 10 team on the road, beating another top 10 at home and coming within a final drive of beating THE National Champion Michigan Wolverines. You are right though -- Oregon would have beat him by 21+ :pound: Then adding Nebraska to the list is the cherry on top, the same Nebraska who had just lost 56-7 to Indiana the previous week. He definitely would have lost to them.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
You are so desperate to be right, it is humorous. Howard and McCord are two different QB's. McCord is a better passer than Howard, Howard is more mobile. Saying McCord only put up numbers because of Marvin, while he is doing it Syracuse with a team on nobodies, kills your explanation.

The addition of Howard changed nothing about Ohio for this year. Your best addition was adding Judkins. It gives you two different running backs who can go for 1,000 yards. Hell -- you already have 1300+ yards rushing this year. You had 1800 all of last year.

If you don't want large negative yards to happen -- protect your QB. Every pocket passer QB is going to have negative yards rushing because of sacks, unless you have an unbelievable offensive line, which Ohio hasn't had in a while. And you OBVIOUSLY had no idea about sacks counting against rushing stats, or you wouldn't have called it inexplicable -- but it doesn't surprise me in the least you didn't know that.

Someone has gone "full retard", but it isn't me. You just said Oregon would beat you by 21+ with McCord, even though McCord led Ohio to a 12-1 record, while beating one top 10 team on the road, beating another top 10 at home and coming within a final drive of beating THE National Champion Michigan Wolverines. You are right though -- Oregon would have beat him by 21+ :pound: Then adding Nebraska to the list is the cherry on top, the same Nebraska who had just lost 56-7 to Indiana the previous week. He definitely would have lost to them.
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Why would I be desperate when I'm objectively already right? McCord isn't a better passer, only retards like you say that. LOL at McCord "doing it at Syracuse"; he's second in the nation in pass attempts, yet 92nd in YPA. He's a product of volume passing, which everyone else but you understands.

Along with having better passing numbers, Howard is obviously significantly better with his legs. Judkins has been fine, but nothing earth shattering. Howard is by far the biggest addition, with McLaughlin being the second biggest. Honestly, Judkins has fallen off in conference play, Trey has definitely been the better of the two recently. They need to start feeding Trey a lot more obviously.

Yes, we would've gotten smoked by Oregon with McCord. 2024 Oregon is a better team than anyone we faced last year by a pretty wide margin, tbh. McCord would've also probably taken a dozen sacks Saturday because he shits his pants at the first sign of pressure, but anyone who has watched him the past season and a half knows that.

Always happy to help you learn more about college football while you start your journey of fandom like most michigan fans these days. Stop back any time.
 
Across The Field said:
Why would I be desperate when I'm objectively already right? McCord isn't a better passer, only retards like you say that. LOL at McCord "doing it at Syracuse"; he's second in the nation in pass attempts, yet 92nd in YPA. He's a product of volume passing, which everyone else but you understands.

Along with having better passing numbers, Howard is obviously significantly better with his legs. Judkins has been fine, but nothing earth shattering. Howard is by far the biggest addition, with McLaughlin being the second biggest. Honestly, Judkins has fallen off in conference play, Trey has definitely been the better of the two recently. They need to start feeding Trey a lot more obviously.

Yes, we would've gotten smoked by Oregon with McCord. 2024 Oregon is a better team than anyone we faced last year by a pretty wide margin, tbh. McCord would've also probably taken a dozen sacks Saturday because he shits his pants at the first sign of pressure, but anyone who has watched him the past season and a half knows that.

Always happy to help you learn more about college football while you start your journey of fandom like most michigan fans these days. Stop back any time.
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There is that slap happy homer we all know and love.

My favorite line is -- Oregon, the team that struggled with Boise State and Idaho is better than any team you faced last year, by a large margin.:shortbus: Beep Beep, ATF, coming thru.

My favorite part is going to be watching Ohio fail again this year after spending 20+ million on this roster. I just pray they keep Ryan Day.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
There is that slap happy homer we all know and love.

My favorite line is -- Oregon, the team that struggled with Boise State and Idaho is better than any team you faced last year, by a large margin.:shortbus: Beep Beep, ATF, coming thru.

My favorite part is going to be watching Ohio fail again this year after spending 20+ million on this roster. I just pray they keep Ryan Day.
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You get ripped apart on here by fans of multiple different teams every week, yet your delusion still leads you to these juvenile posts filled with emojis and ignorance. Yes, 2024 Oregon is a much better overall team than 2023 ND, Penn State, or michigan (all teams OSU would've breezed through with Will Howard at QB instead of Honda McCord). Pretty easy to see if you know football, honestly. Then again, you think Kyle McCord is better than Will Howard, so my expectations are obviously low for you, as usual.
 
Across The Field said:
You get ripped apart on here by fans of multiple different teams every week, yet your delusion still leads you to these juvenile posts filled with emojis and ignorance. Yes, 2024 Oregon is a much better overall team than 2023 ND, Penn State, or michigan (all teams OSU would've breezed through with Will Howard at QB instead of Honda McCord). Pretty easy to see if you know football, honestly. Then again, you think Kyle McCord is better than Will Howard, so my expectations are obviously low for you, as usual.
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Yeah -- Oregon, who struggled with Boise State and Idaho is DEFINITELY the best team you have faced in the last two years. :shortbus: Not the team who went 15-0 and absolutely dominated the team Oregon lost twice to last year, while winning the national championship.

I will say this -- after Ohio played cupcake after cupcake after cupcake this year -- I'm sure Oregon probably felt like the greatest team you've ever seen. That's what happens when your schedule is soft, like your head coach. What is the next thing you are going to say -- Nebraska is the 2nd best team you have faced in the last two years.:pound:

And AGAIN -- I said McCord is a better passer, which he is. Howard is more mobile. Neither is a game changer at QB.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Yeah -- Oregon, who struggled with Boise State and Idaho is DEFINITELY the best team you have faced in the last two years. :shortbus: Not the team who went 15-0 and absolutely dominated the team Oregon lost twice to last year, while winning the national championship.

I will say this -- after Ohio played cupcake after cupcake after cupcake this year -- I'm sure Oregon probably felt like the greatest team you've ever seen. That's what happens when your schedule is soft, like your head coach. What is the next thing you are going to say -- Nebraska is the 2nd best team you have faced in the last two years.:pound:

And AGAIN -- I said McCord is a better passer, which he is. Howard is more mobile. Neither is a game changer at QB.
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Statistically this has proven to be false, and it's not even remotely close. Why continue to embarrass yourself like this? Because you were dead wrong about Howard?

Actually that makes sense. You once tried to pass off a picture of our DC talking to an assistant coach in our Spring Game as us stealing signs and were too big of a pussy to admit you were completely wrong, so why would this be any different.

Carry on, little bro.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
Yeah -- Oregon, who struggled with Boise State and Idaho is DEFINITELY the best team you have faced in the last two years. :shortbus: Not the team who went 15-0 and absolutely dominated the team Oregon lost twice to last year, while winning the national championship.

I will say this -- after Ohio played cupcake after cupcake after cupcake this year -- I'm sure Oregon probably felt like the greatest team you've ever seen. That's what happens when your schedule is soft, like your head coach. What is the next thing you are going to say -- Nebraska is the 2nd best team you have faced in the last two years.:pound:

And AGAIN -- I said McCord is a better passer, which he is. Howard is more mobile. Neither is a game changer at QB.
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Even if you think they are equal(which they aren't) isn't it better to have someone who is infinitely more mobile? OSU has some serious Oline issues now because of injury. Not having a statue back there is more important now.
 
Across The Field said:
Statistically this has proven to be false, and it's not even remotely close. Why continue to embarrass yourself like this? Because you were dead wrong about Howard?

Actually that makes sense. You once tried to pass off a picture of our DC talking to an assistant coach in our Spring Game as us stealing signs and were too big of a pussy to admit you were completely wrong, so why would this be any different.

Carry on, little bro.
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Wait what happened to Oregon being, by far, the best team you have faced the last two years and would have beat Ohio by 21+ if McCord was quarterback? Nothing better than Buckeye fan tears -- they implode once their team inevitably loses and all common sense goes out the window. I get it though -- if I thought my team had a national title type team and then watched them give up 500 yards of offense to another team -- I'd be pissed too.
 
ericd7633 said:
Even if you think they are equal(which they aren't) isn't it better to have someone who is infinitely more mobile? OSU has some serious Oline issues now because of injury. Not having a statue back there is more important now.
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With the absolutely garbage cans we have at Michigan right now -- I'd take either guy in a heart beat.

I agree now -- having Howard is the better option because of their OL issues. If they had an OL that gave the QB time to throw -- I'd take McCord over Howard, because McCord can make throws Howard cannot and it opens up the field for their run game.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
With the absolutely garbage cans we have at Michigan right now -- I'd take either guy in a heart beat.

I agree now -- having Howard is the better option because of their OL issues. If they had an OL that gave the QB time to throw -- I'd take McCord over Howard, because McCord can make throws Howard cannot and it opens up the field for their run game.
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Their OL is probably about the same, if not worse than last year with the injuries now. Before it was probably marginally better. But still McCord took way too many sacks and was a zero in the QB run game. Especially with a Chip Kelly offense.

And I think you're vastly overrating McCord making these throws. With all that NFL talent around him, he just wasn't very good. He missed a ton of throws.
 
ericd7633 said:
Their OL is probably about the same, if not worse than last year with the injuries now. Before it was probably marginally better. But still McCord took way too many sacks and was a zero in the QB run game. Especially with a Chip Kelly offense.

And I think you're vastly overrating McCord making these throws. With all that NFL talent around him, he just wasn't very good. He missed a ton of throws.
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McCord was only sacked 16 times last year and McCord was already gone when Chip Kelly was hired.

Again -- i'm not saying McCord is a superstar. He is a solid college QB. Will Howard is not a superstar, he is a solid college QB.

Ohio's problem has never been at QB. It is an offensive line that struggles against teams with talent and a defense that has zero game changers who struggles against teams who can punch them in the mouth. It is why their record against top 5 teams is so terrible under Day.

Best thing for the Ohio is getting to face PSU as a top 5 team. Franklin is so overrated as a coach and his team this year is not a top 5 team, so Ohio should get a win and it could change the attitude of the team going forward for them.
 
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