tOfficial Twelve Team Playoff thread

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Except that it hasn't necessarily been the teams with money dominating recruiting. I'd put USC money up with just about anyone and they haven't recruited up to standards until they got Lincoln Riley. How's Texas been? They have more money than anyone.

Prior to NIL, kids wanted to win, make the cfp and go to the NFL. Basically 3, maybe 4 teams have shown they can check all 3 boxes. So those teams sign all they can, then everyone else gets to pick from the rest.

NIL will affect that some as some guys will go after the biggest payday, but most still going to want to make the cfp and the NFL. Expanding the cfp allows more teams to add "you'll be in the cfp" to their pitch.

I’d say those two you mentioned have recruited pretty darn well for being pretty bad for the last decade. Before Riley they had the 7th ranked class. There were a couple stinkers and then a 4th ranked class in 2018. Texas is more of the same. Kids want the fancy facilities, the most money/perks, and they want the best shot at the NFL. I’d wager winning a championship ranks lower than all of that now. Especially because most aren’t stupid. They know even with a playoff Wisconsin still isn’t winning a title.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

In conference. Not out of conference.

First, I disagree. We’ve argued this before. We are still playing tough OOC. Your school should, too. But, IC is where you will really see the difference. At least the SEC. Again, your conference should try it. But you saying IC is going to be better you just admitted the regular season is going to be better.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

First, I disagree. We’ve argued this before. We are still playing tough OOC. Your school should, too. But, IC is where you will really see the difference. At least the SEC. Again, your conference should try it. But you saying IC is going to be better you just admitted the regular season is going to be better.

But you still won’t. It’s not like more games are being played in conference with the expansion. All that will happen is these teams will rotate in more frequently or less crossover games will occur between divisions. If Alabama is playing Texas it means they’re not playing one of the other 14 teams in their place.

 

[RubinRock]

Not sure how it will be divided, but here are a couple thoughts and a tweet that shows its going to be a shit ton of money:

- Some of it will have to go to the players. This is a must.
- A good bit of it will go to governing CFB ... basically, many talking heads see the CFP group taking over the management of CFB and they will need a budget.
- As is now the case, an even distribution will go out to the conferences.
- Unlike you see now, I believe larger cuts will go to those who get in. The SEC and the B1G will insist on this.

As for how much, if this is true, it's 25% more than anyone was projecting.

But looking outside tv money and how its going to be divided between everyone, I would think lots of schools, especially those located in college towns (like Clemson and UGA), those schools would love to be ranked in the 5-8 seeds instead. The financial impact of those towns receiving another home game, especially playoff, could be huge.

 

[Knight&Day]

I detest the idea of giving anyone a bye week, but what the hell.

Apparently the committee picks who gets bye weeks. Wtf.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

But looking outside tv money and how its going to be divided between everyone, I would think lots of schools, especially those located in college towns (like Clemson and UGA), those schools would love to be ranked in the 5-8 seeds instead. The financial impact of those towns receiving another home game, especially playoff, could be huge.

I think that will have to be balanced in the final payouts. 1-4 will get a bump ... the schools at least, but not the towns. I had hopes that the quarters could be played @home, not bowls, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Put it this way, no team will tank to get 5-8 so they can have a home game instead of a bye.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Apparently the committee picks who gets bye weeks. Wtf.

Yes and no ... they rank 1-25. The top 4 conference champs then get a bye. So, the committee does he rankings that ultimately decides the 4 that get the bye, but they have to win their championship game.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

But you still won’t. It’s not like more games are being played in conference with the expansion. All that will happen is these teams will rotate in more frequently or less crossover games will occur between divisions. If Alabama is playing Texas it means they’re not playing one of the other 14 teams in their place.

It's like you don't even follow college football.

Read up on (1) the fact that everyone is going away from divisions, (2) they are going to 9 IC games from 8 (at least the SEC, not sure about ACC, and you already play 9), and (3) are rotating through all teams 3 times faster than before. So basically, everything you just typed is objectively wrong. No wonder you are so off on these discussions.

I should add, that at least this is for the SEC. Perhaps you B1G pussies aren't going to do any of that. In that case, be mad at your schools. But, with $8 billion, I am confident they will be doing just that.

 

[NU_WTF?]

So triple the teams, let's triple the regular season!!!


I want 36 games!!!

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

It's like you don't even follow college football.

Read up on (1) the fact that everyone is going away from divisions, (2) they are going to 9 IC games from 8 (at least the SEC, not sure about ACC, and you already play 9), and (3) are rotating through all teams 3 times faster than before. So basically, everything you just typed is objectively wrong. No wonder you are so off on these discussions.

I should add, that at least this is for the SEC. Perhaps you B1G pussies aren't going to do any of that. In that case, be mad at your schools. But, with $8 billion, I am confident they will be doing just that.

But it isn't wrong. It's funny you tried to say "B10 pussies" while the SEC is the only P5 conference still playing just 8 conference games. The B10, Pac12, ACC and B12 ALL play 9 conference opponents every year. The SEC has held off because there's absolutely no reason to go to 9 if you're getting two teams in the playoff without it. So say the SEC goes to 9 when Texas and OU join, it still won't really matter. Because it's still just rotating between 9 of the other 15 opponents for any given team; which could range from Vandy to Alabama in strength. You're still going to have years like Michigan State last year where they managed to miss the top 3 teams in the B10 west. Especially true if you do away with divisions and schedules are entirely random where games aren't locked in to play every year with your division opponents.

As I understand it, schools (not conferences or networks) are still free in the B10 to determine and schedule their own OOC opponents.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

But it isn't wrong. It's funny you tried to say "B10 pussies" while the SEC is the only P5 conference still playing just 8 conference games. The B10, Pac12, ACC and B12 ALL play 9 conference opponents every year. The SEC has held off because there's absolutely no reason to go to 9 if you're getting two teams in the playoff without it. So say the SEC goes to 9 when Texas and OU join, it still won't really matter. Because it's still just rotating between 9 of the other 15 opponents for any given team; which could range from Vandy to Alabama in strength. You're still going to have years like Michigan State last year where they managed to miss the top 3 teams in the B10 west. Especially true if you do away with divisions and schedules are entirely random where games aren't locked in to play every year with your division opponents.

As I understand it, schools (not conferences or networks) are still free in the B10 to determine and schedule their own OOC opponents.

Like I said, you don't follow college football. Each post you make proves that. Read up on it and get back to me.

By the way, the ACC plays 8 IC games and will continue to do so when they start their new scheduling in 2023. But at least they are getting rid of divisions and playing each other way more often.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Like I said, you don't follow college football. Each post you make proves that. Read up on it and get back to me.

By the way, the ACC plays 8 IC games and will continue to do so when they start their new scheduling in 2023. But at least they are getting rid of divisions and playing each other way more often.

This is the kind of deflection someone makes when their point got proven wrong. Getting rid of divisions is irrelevant to this. All that means is that you'll play more teams in the conference more regularly, but a lot of teams less often than you currently do. Some teams will remove from their schedule playing Alabama every year and replace it with, likely, a worst team in the other division. So some schedules will actually get easier.

Your first argument in all of this was pretty literally, "you can lose more and still get in". Which is the crux of my entire position. By saying that, in more words or less, you're acknowledging the reality that regular season losses will mean less.

Because throughout the history of college football, a single loss ends your chance of being declared the national champ or winning the national championship. So, the SEC and the ACC play 8-game IC schedules and play 3 cupcakes to minimize losses. We play teams every 6 years in our conference. Home schedules suck. If you want a regular season that means something, make it so that a single loss doesn't end your season.

By making losses less impactful you now have essentially, as you put it, diluted the regular season so more teams get in. The idea being that it will be more exciting for these, relatively average, teams to make the playoff. And I just don't agree. Those teams have no shot at winning anything. Maybe the top 5/6 do. Expanding to 12 puts meaningless teams into a playoff to lose meaningless games and occasionally knock out one of the better teams here or there, making it easier for one of the other good teams to win a national title. The problem with the entire premise of a 12 team playoff is that those who support it think those teams have a chance, and they simply do not.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

This is the kind of deflection someone makes when their point got proven wrong. Getting rid of divisions is irrelevant to this. All that means is that you'll play more teams in the conference more regularly, but a lot of teams less often than you currently do. Some teams will remove from their schedule playing Alabama every year and replace it with, likely, a worst team in the other division. So some schedules will actually get easier.

Your first argument in all of this was pretty literally, "you can lose more and still get in". Which is the crux of my entire position. By saying that, in more words or less, you're acknowledging the reality that regular season losses will mean less.



By making losses less impactful you now have essentially, as you put it, diluted the regular season so more teams get in. The idea being that it will be more exciting for these, relatively average, teams to make the playoff. And I just don't agree. Those teams have no shot at winning anything. Maybe the top 5/6 do. Expanding to 12 puts meaningless teams into a playoff to lose meaningless games and occasionally knock out one of the better teams here or there, making it easier for one of the other good teams to win a national title. The problem with the entire premise of a 12 team playoff is that those who support it think those teams have a chance, and they simply do not.

It's not a deflection. You simply keep saying inaccurate things over and over that are objectively wrong. As just one example, you said the SEC was the only conference that plays 8 IC games when the ACC does which is a fact most people know and is easily discoverable.

Nothing you have said in this post or your previous posts is remotely true, you are stubborn beyond reason, and I have better things to do with my time. If you want to actually read what I said and think through how wrong you are, I'll discuss it with you. Otherwise, I'm not wasting my time. This might help ... draw out any SEC team's current schedule for any two consecutive years, then do it with the new 3-6-6 format. Show me a single team that doesn't have a much harder schedule. And once you do that you will realize why I won't waste my time.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

It's not a deflection. You simply keep saying inaccurate things over and over that are objectively wrong. As just one example, you said the SEC was the only conference that plays 8 IC games when the ACC does which is a fact most peope know and is easily discoverable.

Nothing you have said in this post or your previous posts is remotely true, you are stubborn beyond reason, and I have better things to do with my time. If you want to actually read what I said and think through how wrong you are, I'll discuss it with you. Otherwise, I'm not wasting my time. This might help ... draw out any SEC team's current schedule for any two consecutive years, then do it with the new 3-6-6 format. Show me a single team that doesn't have a much harder schedule. And once you do that you will realize why I won't waste my time.

I quoted you. Directly. I'll do it again.

"If you want a regular season that means something, make it so that a single loss doesn't end your season."

You want losses to count less. And if losses count less, the emotions and winner take all games that currently exist in CFB will go away, almost entirely. It will now be a battle of average teams to see who gets those final spots in the playoff, only to subsequently lose to better teams.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

I quoted you. Directly. I'll do it again.

"If you want a regular season that means something, make it so that a single loss doesn't end your season."

You want losses to count less. And if losses count less, the emotions and winner take all games that currently exist in CFB will go away, almost entirely. It will now be a battle of average teams to see who gets those final spots in the playoff, only to subsequently lose to better teams.

Now you are quoting a difference of opinion. We can disagree on that. It's all the other facts that you keep stating that are objectively wrong that lead to your opinion.

I don't agree that it will be a battle of "average" teams - look up what average means, SMH - and I don't agree that it will lessen emotions. To the contrary, it will make the season way more exciting for several dozen more fanbases. But, that's my opinion and we won't know who is right for about 5-6 years.

 

[rfjeff9]

I do not care about the auto conf cha,pions

This is the kind of deflection someone makes when their point got proven wrong. Getting rid of divisions is irrelevant to this. All that means is that you'll play more teams in the conference more regularly, but a lot of teams less often than you currently do. Some teams will remove from their schedule playing Alabama every year and replace it with, likely, a worst team in the other division. So some schedules will actually get easier.

Your first argument in all of this was pretty literally, "you can lose more and still get in". Which is the crux of my entire position. By saying that, in more words or less, you're acknowledging the reality that regular season losses will mean less.



By making losses less impactful you now have essentially, as you put it, diluted the regular season so more teams get in. The idea being that it will be more exciting for these, relatively average, teams to make the playoff. And I just don't agree. Those teams have no shot at winning anything. Maybe the top 5/6 do. Expanding to 12 puts meaningless teams into a playoff to lose meaningless games and occasionally knock out one of the better teams here or there, making it easier for one of the other good teams to win a national title. The problem with the entire premise of a 12 team playoff is that those who support it think those teams have a chance, and they simply do not.

"Meaningless games" is code for "recruitment opportunities". Recruits like the idea to play in postseason. Easily convinced that all the team lacks to make it past the first round is THEM.

 

[Deep Creek]

I think that will have to be balanced in the final payouts. 1-4 will get a bump ... the schools at least, but not the towns. I had hopes that the quarters could be played @home, not bowls, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Put it this way, no team will tank to get 5-8 so they can have a home game instead of a bye.

Me too. Piss on the bowls. Let the other 118 teams fill the bowl slots. Having a bye AND hosting a quarter final would be a great incentive for teams to earn. Say Okie Lite hosts a first round game. Wins and then visits the other OSU in The Shoe. And for those that say "That's not fair"...the Cowboys play in Norman every other year. Taint different then tOSU imho.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Now you are quoting a difference of opinion. We can disagree on that. It's all the other facts that you keep stating that are objectively wrong that lead to your opinion.

I don't agree that it will be a battle of "average" teams - look up what average means, SMH - and I don't agree that it will lessen emotions. To the contrary, it will make the season way more exciting for several dozen more fanbases. But, that's my opinion and we won't know who is right for about 5-6 years.

4th highest rated game, playing one of the worst teams in the sport.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

I do not care about the auto conf cha,pions

"Meaningless games" is code for "recruitment opportunities". Recruits like the idea to play in postseason. Easily convinced that all the team lacks to make it past the first round is THEM.

Recruits like money and shiny things.

 

[osubuckeye89]

4th highest rated game, playing one of the worst teams in the sport.

Yes but largely due to Michigan being the only "premier" team on widespread TV in that time slot.

If Ohio State and ND (or a Penn State type) were both playing at Noon EST as well i'm sure that number shrinks quite a bit.

TV numbers have a lot to do with the time slot and what else is on in that same time slot

This kind of just proves the point that a lot more eyes get on you in a big time OOC game though.