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Remember that the male has to mature fully before the female does so it can pollinate the female as it starts the budding process.

I believe I stated it earlier in this thread if you're growing indoors and want to trigger the males into maturing all I used to do is leave the lights off for a full day.
 
dikowt dowg said:
You cut back to 12 hours when you're ready for the plant to flower. I'm learning that is pretty typical for grow conditions for in pots...doing it the way you are.

These outdoor plants are stuck in the ground so there isn't any moving them. :)
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It is already trying as the days shorten, but I give it ZERO options. Sun or black.
 
Fog said:
Remember that the male has to mature fully before the female does so it can pollinate the female as it starts the budding process.

I believe I stated it earlier in this thread if you're growing indoors and want to trigger the males into maturing all I used to do is leave the lights off for a full day.
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I like the feedback because I'm just in this learning as much as possible mode now because NY just became a rec state. What I was bringing up was education of what was a male and a female and with the thought of killing males as soon as we can identify them.

You and I can debate your point on how / when pollination happens though. For outdoor, I don't agree with your statement on if a male can pollenate a female prior to her maturing. Mainly because in outdoor growing, nature ensures there is an early, mid and late pollen delivery and receipt. Those two hairs popping out in the photo are ready and waiting on pollen to create a seed. That male is ready to deliver it.

Those photos are from plants today. They are doing this for a reason.
 
dikowt dowg said:
I like the feedback because I'm just in this learning as much as possible mode now because NY just became a rec state. What I was bringing up was education of what was a male and a female and with the thought of killing males as soon as we can identify them.

You and I can debate your point on how / when pollination happens though. For outdoor, I don't agree with your statement on if a male can pollenate a female prior to her maturing. Mainly because in outdoor growing, nature ensures there is an early, mid and late pollen delivery and receipt. Those two hairs popping out in the photo are ready and waiting on pollen to create a seed. That male is ready to deliver it.

Those photos are from plants today. They are doing this for a reason.
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There is something in nature that starts the process and has something to do with sun light that one can't mimic growing indoors. I've grown outdoors a couple of times but from cuttings, so I know that they won't turn out to be a male. However, it's done in nature it seems to me that in order for a female to have seeds the male has to somehow mature faster than the female to produce seeds. It also seems to me if the male and female both mature at the same time the female won't have a chance to grow the seeds. but I'm not the expert on that.

What I used to do when I grew indoors way back in the day was had a grow cycle of 18 hours of light and then cut back to 10 hours during the budding cycle however, I wouldn't see males until I changed the light cycle. So, my thoughts were why waste time and space on growing a plant that may turn into a male. So that's when I did a little trick of shutting off the lights for a full day. That in itself triggered the males to start changing but not the females. It worked every time, and I was able to weed out the males and not waste time and space growing something that I was just going to destroy. Nature has a trick on how to get these plants to bloom and it's loosely based on day light so I put my idea into action and it worked.
 
Fog said:
There is something in nature that starts the process and has something to do with sun light that one can't mimic growing indoors. I've grown outdoors a couple of times but from cuttings, so I know that they won't turn out to be a male. However, it's done in nature it seems to me that in order for a female to have seeds the male has to somehow mature faster than the female to produce seeds.
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There is no doubt that the male matures and actually expires long before the female is through it's process. This should help you understand my point about an early, mid and late pollination. In July I pulled my first male, they were ready to make seeds. Today they were still trying to reproduce. That's nature's way.


Fog said:
It also seems to me if the male and female both mature at the same time the female won't have a chance to grow the seeds. but I'm not the expert on that.
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I pulled my first male plant this year just after the 4th of july weekend. Like that was my first male I pulled, I could also tell there were females in the group as well. But that weekend, was only the beginning.

Fog said:
What I used to do when I grew indoors way back in the day was had a grow cycle of 18 hours of light and then cut back to 10 hours during the budding cycle however, I wouldn't see males until I changed the light cycle. So, my thoughts were why waste time and space on growing a plant that may turn into a male. So that's when I did a little trick of shutting off the lights for a full day. That in itself triggered the males to start changing but not the females. It worked every time,
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This is brilliant. :yo: And something I am filing away. Thank you.

Fog said:
and I was able to weed out the males and not waste time and space growing something that I was just going to destroy. Nature has a trick on how to get these plants to bloom and it's loosely based on day light so I put my idea into action and it worked.
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Man... :hail: nothing but respect here.
 
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dikowt dowg said:
There is no doubt that the male matures and actually expires long before the female is through it's process. This should help you understand my point about an early, mid and late pollination. In July I pulled my first male, they were ready to make seeds. Today they were still trying to reproduce. That's nature's way.




I pulled my first male plant this year just after the 4th of july weekend. Like that was my first male I pulled, I could also tell there were females in the group as well. But that weekend, was only the beginning.



This is brilliant. :yo: And something I am filing away. Thank you.




Man... :hail: nothing but respect here.
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Even when I grew five or six at once outside I never had a problem with males. Once I had one go tranny on me but it was all alone out on the sundeck and it never affected anything and I caught it quickly. Just chucked the whole thing.But as a rule I treat my solo plants so well that the last thing they wanna do is swap sexes.
 
Hank Kingsley said:
Even when I grew five or six at once outside I never had a problem with males. Once I had one go tranny on me but it was all alone out on the sundeck and it never affected anything and I caught it quickly. Just chucked the whole thing.But as a rule I treat my solo plants so well that the last thing they wanna do is swap sexes.
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Nowadays you can buy feminized plants and seeds. No fuss no muss and that is probably the best way to go. I can see me migrating that direction but I fight it. I hate to let go of the control of having my own seed where I can control the outcome and have free seeds the following year. Right now, seeds are not expensive, but they could become that way without an underground source. We americans think that way. :lm:

I bet the reality is more what is happening in canada and there will always be someone to buy seeds ... and as you have shown ... plants already guaranteed to be a female and at a price that works. You have to love progress.
 
dikowt dowg said:
Nowadays you can buy feminized plants and seeds. No fuss no muss and that is probably the best way to go. I can see me migrating that direction but I fight it. I hate to let go of the control of having my own seed where I can control the outcome and have free seeds the following year. Right now, seeds are not expensive, but they could become that way without an underground source. We americans think that way. :lm:

I bet the reality is more what is happening in canada and there will always be someone to buy seeds ... and as you have shown ... plants already guaranteed to be a female and at a price that works. You have to love progress.
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I only use clones. No time for fucking around with seeds.
 
It's just one plant, so how does it get pollinated exactly ???
 
Hank Kingsley said:
You don’t want them to pollinate. Pollination yield seeds and takes the female plant into reproduction mode rather than THC production mode
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So, I'm in good shape I guess.
Do I just cross my fingers and hope it doesn't ?
 
dikowt dowg said:
But I think we are too far into the weeds so to speak. At this point, just let it grow. If I understand you there's only one plant so if it's a male ... meh. Nothing ventured, nothing lost.

Let this one plant grow and you'll at least see one develop to maturity.
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This is what I'm going to do.

How long until 'maturity' ??
 
outofyourmind said:
This is what I'm going to do.

How long until 'maturity' ??
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I'm not a lot of help here. There are a couple of important details that I don't know. For my outdoor plants here, I'm 30 to 60 days away. Your growing season and genetics make up most of this answer.

Genetics of the plant determine a lot. Earlier in this thread I showed you indoor plants that were planted less than 80 days ago and they were 4/5ths of the way there. I will be pulling those plants in the next week to 10 days. So those plants take about 90 days.

And then there are the plants I showed you yesterday that I planted outdoors in May so they are 90 days old now and nowhere near ready. I will be pulling them in September or October. So, they take about 120 - 150 days...and much of that is determined by fall coming on as quick as it does here.

Basic farming....Today I am getting 14.5 hours daylight. On October 1st, the Calander says we will be getting 11 hours, 45 minutes. We will lose 2 hours and 45 minutes of daylight in only 50 days. No matter how late in the year I planted a seed, those plants are going to mature sometime in the month of October because nature demands it. By november, snow is flying and nature is done for the year. So they have to change by then.

Oklahoma is far further south than NY so I assume the length of days there are much different than mine making your growing season for most plants different than ours. And you have elevation so that probably changes things some too.

And everything I said is becoming antiquated as new genetics are being developed. I am reading there are outdoor genetics to be had that I will be able to grow in 90 days. I have some more reading to do on those and then a year of trying them out just to see for myself....if I decide to go that route.
 
I shifted my girl to her flowering mode today. She now has wheels. And a slightly different location.

Tonight she goes to bed at 7 PM. Stapled up several layers of thick brown paper over the shop windows earlier and even at high noon it was pitch black inside the shop.

Should be all finished 1st week of October.
 
Hank Kingsley said:
I shifted my girl to her flowering mode today. She now has wheels. And a slightly different location.

Tonight she goes to bed at 7 PM. Stapled up several layers of thick brown paper over the shop windows earlier and even at high noon it was pitch black inside the shop.

Should be all finished 1st week of October.
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So, .... It's in the dark in the shed; does it stay in the dark all they way until October, or do you just limit daylight hours every day until then. ???
 
By the time you cut the lights back in indoor growing, the pre flowers are easily identifiable.


Budding is all about the light cycle, be it indoors or outdoors. 18 hrs a day for vegetative state. 12 to start it flowering.
 
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