What Is The PAC’s or Big 12’s Move?

WhosYourDawggy said:
I haven't had time to wrap my brain around it, but I am not convinced that the SEC and B1G have to grow more. Getting more teams may mean you get more money overall, but it doesn't mean you get more money per team, and that's the goal.

Adding teams, especially with crazy geographic issues, doesn't necessarily mean you get more money. OU, TX, and USC? Sure. UCLA got lucky that USC needed a buddy. If they add any more PAC teams it will have more to do with scheduling or facilitating the west coast problems as it does profitability.

We all agree that Notre Dame is the one school left to get. The ACC should consider going to 16 by adding WVU and ND (not likely in my opinion), and then hanging on for life. The PAC and B12 should merge creating a 16, 18, or 20 team league, getting rid of the dead weight (WSU, OSU). There are some serious problems with Stanford and Cal not likely agreeing to join. That will leave us with a top 2 P5, and a lower 2 P5. All at about 16 teams.
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There is some profitability left with some of the ACC schools but I would say your points are valid. Clemson, Florida State, and North Carolina are still solid brands.

One school that isn't discussed for the B1G that might come up is Boston College. That is another one of Notre Dame's annual rivals that they may want in the B1G to make the move. It also opens up another major metropolitan market to the B1G.
 
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Volbound1700 said:
Virginia Tech is interesting to me. I think they would make a natural rivalry for Tennessee. Clemson and FSU just seem like SEC schools stuck in the ACC. UNC is another great add because we need Basketball and North Carolina-Tennessee seems to be an interesting matchup for both teams in both Football and Basketball.

I kind of wish these teams would stay in the ACC and we would just get better scheduling arrangements with them from an OOC perspective.

Funny thing is that after the dust settles, we will be back in the Southern Conference that existed back prior to 1930 when you basically had the Southwest, ACC, SEC, and some other lower-tier schools in a single league of over 40-50 schools. SEC broke away from it because it was too bulky.
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I was surprised to see how low VaTech and NCState are when you look at eyeballs.

56. NC State — 525K
62. Virginia Tech — 447K

To the extent it matters, NC State won't bring a TV market if UNC goes to the SEC, and Va Tech has no TV market to speak of. Also, they had a small run of excellence but have not really been a national power. Neither are state flagship universities, something the SEC likes.
 
Volbound1700 said:
There is some profitability left with some of the ACC schools but I would say your points are valid. Clemson, Florida State, and North Carolina are still solid brands.

One school that isn't discussed for the B1G that might come up is Boston College. That is another one of Notre Dame's annual rivals that they may want in the B1G to make the move. It also opens up another major metropolitan market to the B1G.
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But not until 2036 or a few years before that.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I was surprised to see how low VaTech and NCState are when you look at eyeballs.

56. NC State — 525K
62. Virginia Tech — 447K

To the extent it matters, NC State won't bring a TV market if UNC goes to the SEC, and Va Tech has no TV market to speak of. Also, they had a small run of excellence but have not really been a national power. Neither are state flagship universities, something the SEC likes.
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seeing that makes me believe that unequal revenue is needed.. but the lowly programs are fat pigs now
 
Thiefery said:
seeing that makes me believe that unequal revenue is needed.. but the lowly programs are fat pigs now
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Spoken like a true UT fan. If they come in, they will be equal partners. So they won't come in. How'd that "unequal revenue" thing work out with the B12? You need to get your SEC brain implant done, stat.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
How absurd. Start negotiations after you just lost your best 2 draws, and the best TV market. And many of your teams are looking around? The TV people are going to say, nah, let's see how things shake out.
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They are desperate.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Spoken like a true UT fan. If they come in, they will be equal partners. So they won't come in. How'd that "unequal revenue" thing work out with the B12? You need to get your SEC brain implant done, stat.
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lol did u know that the smaller programs all offered even more of a cut to aggy, nebraska, mizzu (lol) and UT if they would have stayed back in 2011??

And I bet now that they will be equal to a bonafide MWC conference, they rather take a 70% cut than 100% of whatever deal they get next.
 
Thiefery said:
lol i was referring to as if whatever the rest of the conferences look outside the SEC BiG and ACC (for the time being) at getting a legit CFP shot lol
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cinci got one out of the American so i dont think it matters too much
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
How absurd. Start negotiations after you just lost your best 2 draws, and the best TV market. And many of your teams are looking around? The TV people are going to say, nah, let's see how things shake out.
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FOX still thinks Cal/Stanford is worth 90 mil in market value fwiw.. wonder how much they think UH/BU/TCU/Tech is valued at
 
Thiefery said:
lol did u know that the smaller programs all offered even more of a cut to aggy, nebraska, mizzu (lol) and UT if they would have stayed back in 2011??

And I bet now that they will be equal to a bonafide MWC conference, they rather take a 70% cut than 100% of whatever deal they get next.
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My point stands, doesn't matter who is offering or asking. If you aren't all rowing together it won't last. You guys and your conference(s) have proven that.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I was surprised to see how low VaTech and NCState are when you look at eyeballs.

56. NC State — 525K
62. Virginia Tech — 447K

To the extent it matters, NC State won't bring a TV market if UNC goes to the SEC, and Va Tech has no TV market to speak of. Also, they had a small run of excellence but have not really been a national power. Neither are state flagship universities, something the SEC likes.
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NC State isn't that big of a surprise but Virginia Tech surprised me. I thought they would be ahead of Virginia.

Then again, this all fluctuates based on success of the program as well. I still think NC State and Virginia Tech would be attractive to get into those markets but you could be correct that the SEC may not want them.

I think SEC is watching FSU-Miami right now because the SEC wants to keep Florida. Again, I point out that adding both is a defensive move. Clemson will probably just tag along because their brand is up right now. (Clemson in 2003 or so wouldn't even be in the conversation).
 
OlyDuck said:
cinci got one out of the American so i dont think it matters too much
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yeah cause nothing has changed since this past season :/
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
How absurd. Start negotiations after you just lost your best 2 draws, and the best TV market. And many of your teams are looking around? The TV people are going to say, nah, let's see how things shake out.
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Not absurd from the schools' perspective. They want to know what the projected TV money is going to look like now that USC and UCLA left. When they get a ballpark answer, they can determine whether a move to the Big 12 makes sense.
 
Volbound1700 said:
NC State isn't that big of a surprise but Virginia Tech surprised me. I thought they would be ahead of Virginia.

Then again, this all fluctuates based on success of the program as well. I still think NC State and Virginia Tech would be attractive to get into those markets but you could be correct that the SEC may not want them.

I think SEC is watching FSU-Miami right now because the SEC wants to keep Florida. Again, I point out that adding both is a defensive move. Clemson will probably just tag along because their brand is up right now. (Clemson in 2003 or so wouldn't even be in the conversation).
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Who would we be defending against? The B1G? They don't want FSU, and probably not Miami. Let them take them and watch their culture fall apart. Do they really want their conference to be from Maimi to LA to NY? I can't imagine that.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
My point stands, doesn't matter who is offering or asking. If you aren't all rowing together it won't last. You guys and your conference(s) have proven that.
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lol.. it's the reason why you have so many people talking about soccer style relegation for schools like Vandy.. Schools that don't put much in their programs but continue to get the same amount as schools who really try.

I shit on Baylor but even they put everything into football.. you know who doesn't? Kansas..
 
outofyourmind said:
I guess I'm not seeing the 'value' of Virginia Tech that everyone seems to have.
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bro you won't be able to find a lot of value right now.. only school left that adds anything substantial is ND. FSU/Clemson/UNC/UVA.. are they really adding much brand value? to me they are all similar and tiers below the leprechaun
 
duckboy33 said:
Not absurd from the schools' perspective. They want to know what the projected TV money is going to look like now that USC and UCLA left. When they get a ballpark answer, they can determine whether a move to the Big 12 makes sense.
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What TV network is going to waste time making up numbers when half the teams in the "conference" are currently reaching out to other conferences? Just like they told the B12 no to renegotiations, they will do the same for the PAC. The TV networks' time is valuable ... they won't waste it on this until the conferences solidify.
 
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