What Is The PAC’s or Big 12’s Move?

[OregonDucks]

Not sure why everyone thinks the Big12 wins this war of attrition against the PAC. The PAC has far better brands within it's conference right now. Better if the PAC took 2-4 Big12 schools.

Big12 is also better off with the "regional" stuff since they are mostly in the middle of the country. PAC needs to look at taking Texas Tech and Baylor. Gives them a hold into the Texas recruiting.

 

[OlyDuck]

so whats the better conference?
Big 12 with the new 4 then adding some Pac schools?
Pac 10 (-LA) adding some of the Big XII?
Pac 10 staying as is. Big XII staying as is. the 2 conferences have their championship then the champions play each other?

 

[Thiefery]

This is why I think if the SEC doesn't grab UNC, they will get NC State. To just be in North Carolina and hopefully threaten North Carolina. In fact, UNC maybe afraid of an SEC team in North Carolina and be forced to join SEC under that threat similar to how Texas got threaten with Texas A&M being in SEC.

Did you know back in '91, SEC wanted to add UT along with Arkansas.. but UT wanted aggy to come along with them and it was a no at that time?

 

[Tharvot]

It's true UW has a large TV market footprint, however for college purpose large cities that have pro football teams tend to do worse than smaller markets without a pro team. It's a mixed bag.

The talk about UCLA ignores how much they bring in men's hoops. True blueblood status. Both of those Cali schools will bring something to the B1G.

No shit USC wants to block the NW schools and bring the other two Cali programs. Shorter travel, recruiting grounds they already stomp on, and teams they have dominated. I'd push against Oregon too if I was them.

Both of our schools suffer from isolation. No other teams in the non Pac conferences can possibly travel by bus, and will mostly be on very long plane rides.

If I'm making the case for UW, they do check off the 3 big ticket items the B1G looks for.

I don't think footprint vs pull is that big a factor in the B1G's thinking. They look more at direct college competition. They agreed to add Maryland and Rutgers because both wanted in and they could expand the BTN footprint into DC/Baltimore and NYC. Is either school really a draw compared to the pro teams in those cities? Nah. But, they have no direct saturday competition from rival schools, so they effectively capture the market for their areas.

The conference now has a foothold in those cities so that means every cable package will contain the BTN and every regional game on Fox plus the big Fox broadcast will feature B1G schools for those metro areas. That's big advertising $$ for the networks, and subsequently big $$ for conference members.

 

[Thiefery]

Not sure why everyone thinks the Big12 wins this war of attrition against the PAC. The PAC has far better brands within it's conference right now. Better if the PAC took 2-4 Big12 schools.

Big12 is also better off with the "regional" stuff since they are mostly in the middle of the country. PAC needs to look at taking Texas Tech and Baylor. Gives them a hold into the Texas recruiting.

yeah if the Pac12 has a commitment from each school remaining.. I have a hard time seeing any of them leaving the PAC. I would think UH/Tech/BU/osu would bounce in a heartbeat

 

[Volbound1700]

Did you know back in '91, SEC wanted to add UT along with Arkansas.. but UT wanted aggy to come along with them and it was a no at that time?

I always heard that Texas and Texas A&M were the first two options (before Arkansas and South Carolina) but it fell a part over something stupid. SEC also got turned down by Florida State who regrets it now.

I think SEC wanted to keep 12. If you are correct, perhaps they already committed to Arkansas and could only add one more. It is odd that they would turn down A&M as their are historical ties with A&M and both Alabama and LSU.

 

[OregonDucks]

so whats the better conference?
Big 12 with the new 4 then adding some Pac schools?
Pac 10 (-LA) adding some of the Big XII?
Pac 10 staying as is. Big XII staying as is. the 2 conferences have their championship then the champions play each other?

Least chaotic for what we are in.

I wouldn't mind trading some schools with the Big12. They can take Colorado, we take Texas Tech.

 

[OlyDuck]

Oregon vs. West Virginia sounds like an interesting game. I would watch it.

yawn

 

[Tharvot]

I disagree here. Sacramento/San Francisco is a great TV market but not a great COLLEGE FOOTBALL TV market. That is your issue. Granted their is potential to grow that market... in that aspect, I could agree with you.

NYC and NJ aren't college football tv markets, yet Rutgers is in the B1G all the same.

 

[rfjeff9]

Found this nugget in an article (note I don't consider this a great source but found it interesting):

• Oregon Gov. Kate Brown may throw a wrinkle into the UO plans. There’s been some speculation that she might step in and attempt to force the Ducks to stay in lockstep with Oregon State. Some lawmakers in Washington have indicated they’d do the same on Washington State’s behalf. I think it’s unlikely that politicians would be successful in blocking potential conference moves by Oregon and Washington.

Canzano: Oregon Ducks make a wish list, while Pac-12 rallies behind scenes

Ducks covet Big Ten or SEC invite.

www.johncanzano.com

Probably garbage but the last thing Oregon and Washington want is politics getting involved.

It happened with UVA and VT when ACC originally expanded, so yes politicians can weild influence here. VT was not wanted as an expansion target and the Governor forced UVA to vote no expansion unless VT was part of it.

 

[Volbound1700]

NYC and NJ aren't college football tv markets, yet Rutgers is in the B1G all the same.

Agree as well (although I would think NYC is more of a market than San Francisco). However, I think some in the B1G wish they could return Rutgers now.

 

[Red_Alert]

so whats the better conference?
Big 12 with the new 4 then adding some Pac schools?
Pac 10 (-LA) adding some of the Big XII?
Pac 10 staying as is. Big XII staying as is. the 2 conferences have their championship then the champions play each other?

Neither of those bold are happening until 2025.

 

[OregonDucks]

yeah if the Pac12 has a commitment from each school remaining.. I have a hard time seeing any of them leaving the PAC. I would think UH/Tech/BU/osu would bounce in a heartbeat

If Oregon and Washingtonl leave, the PAC is over. If it remained in name only it would be at the level of a MWC.

Oregon and Washington are the only ones left holding up whatever is left. Whatever talks are happening, there needs to be a solid understanding of what each schools future looks like and what the want. However, with USC and UCLA seemingly leaving out of nowhere overnight, I am sure the trust in that room is extremely low.

I wouldnt blame Oregon for playing up at the table that they are willing to stick it out in the PAC and trying to get things going for the future, but at the same time constantly monitoring the B1G's and SEC's interest and likely bolting the moment one of those conferences offer something.

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

Im continually baffled at Stanford's name being dropped into this. Yes they are in a huge market, but Stanford draws no eyes. Just because Stanford is in the B1G doesn't suddenly mean everyone in San Fran is going to start watching Stanford football games. When they were having their run atop the PAC they didn't even sell out their games.

Compared to all times that might be available:

9 Notre Dame — 2.84M
10 Oregon — 2.57M
19 Clemson — 1.74M
22 Oklahoma State — 1.58M
25 Florida State — 1.27M
29 UCLA — 1.18M
32 Southern Cal — 1.11M
35 Miami — 1.038M
36 North Carolina — 1.032M
37 Utah — 994K
38 Washington — 985K
40 West Virginia — 948K
46 Stanford — 778K
47 Arizona State — 739K
49 Boise State — 657K
51 Louisville — 616K
52 Virginia — 611K
54 Pittsburgh — 550K
55 Kansas — 540K
56 Wake Forest — 526K
57 NC State — 525K
59 Washington State — 483K
61 Georgia Tech — 459K
62 Virginia Tech — 447K
64 Colorado — 366K
67 Arizona — 337K
69 Oregon State — 321K
76 California — 222K
77 Syracuse — 219K
84 Boston College — 156K
97 Duke — 64K

 

[Thiefery]

I always heard that Texas and Texas A&M were the first two options (before Arkansas and South Carolina) but it fell a part over something stupid. SEC also got turned down by Florida State who regrets it now.

I think SEC wanted to keep 12. If you are correct, perhaps they already committed to Arkansas and could only add one more. It is odd that they would turn down A&M as their are historical ties with A&M and both Alabama and LSU.

it was also because a lot of the Admin at UT didn't want to rub elbows with the perceived dumber scholars

it was a stupid thinking then..and even dumber thinking today

 

[OregonDucks]

Neither of those bold are happening until 2025.

The PAC-10 is not staying at 10 teams if it stays intact moving forward. At the very least they are picking up SDSU, maybe Boise.

I've heard trying to sell Vegas as a market and selling point for the conference and poaching future members, so maybe add UNLV to have a home Vegas team?

 

[WhosYourDawggy]

If Oregon and Washingtonl leave, the PAC is over. If it remained in name only it would be at the level of a MWC.

Oregon and Washington are the only ones left holding up whatever is left. Whatever talks are happening, there needs to be a solid understanding of what each schools future looks like and what the want. However, with USC and UCLA seemingly leaving out of nowhere overnight, I am sure the trust in that room is extremely low.

I wouldnt blame Oregon for playing up at the table that they are willing to stick it out in the PAC and trying to get things going for the future, but at the same time constantly monitoring the B1G's and SEC's interest and likely bolting the moment one of those conferences offer something.

The SEC isn't going to the West Coast. Period. Full Stop. We think it's somewhat stupid that the B1G did it. We certainly won't.

 

[Thiefery]

The PAC-10 is not staying at 10 teams if it stays intact moving forward. At the very least they are picking up SDSU, maybe Boise.

I've heard trying to sell Vegas as a market and selling point for the conference and poaching future members, so maybe add UNLV to have a home Vegas team?

I know their deals expire with Fox/ESPN in '24.. is that after the '24 season or before?

 

[OregonDucks]

PAC-14

Current member + SDSU, Boise State, UNLV, some Texas school.

 

[Tharvot]

by much smaller you mean seattle/tacoma ranked 14th and Portland Oregon 22nd
equating to sports rankings 14th ranked AP team was 10-3 22nd team was 10-4 (by chance it was Oregon)

Seattle/tacoma is roughly 2x the size of the greater Portland area.

Seattle/Tacoma: ~4 mill
Greater Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro: ~2.5M

Washington as an entire state: ~7M
Oregon as an entire state: ~4.1M

As I said, if I had to choose 4 schools, Oregon would make the cut unless I absolutely had to take Cal along with Stanford to capture the SF Bay Area market. Then it would come down to choosing Colorado or Oregon. For me, I like Denver.