I think after the '24 season so Jan 1, 2025.
What Is The PAC’s or Big 12’s Move?
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yeah i like the regional feel.. I'm excited to be playing ou, aggy, ark on an annual basis with games vs LSU every 2 years
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No one is going to take Washington and Oregon if the states are a package deal.
The legislatures would literally be killing 4 programs.
Another option is the Big12 doesn't add whatever teams they added in the last year or two and instead just tells the PAC they are willing to join. So it could be a 18 team conference.
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PAC schools have to give 2 years notice of leaving. Anyone not named USC/UCLA already missed the June 30th deadline for the 2024 season. Therefore if PAC teams go to Big 12 it won't be until 2025.
Big 12 teams can't leave until 2025 already.
To negate the PAC GOR, the Big 12 would have to take 7 PAC teams.
To negate the Big 12 GOR, the PAC would have to take 8 Big 12 teams.
TX/OU and USC/UCLA are still Big 12 and PAC 12 members and therefore will continue to count in a majority team formula to dissolve the GOR's.
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Yeah I could see that. I think a lot of people see UNC the same way as being too good for SEC but I think SEC is a better fit for UNC than B1G.
Regarding 1990 expansion, I know the first two teams that were reviewed were Texas and Texas A&M. Arkansas was in picture all along as well.
After Texas walked away, it was Arkansas and Florida State. Florida State said no and literally the saying is that they wanted to play in an easier ACC (no joke). After FSU walked away, South Carolina entered the picture and that finalized the two.
FSU regretted that decision later on and today.
I was also told Georgia Tech inquired but nearly everyone was against them including UGA and Alabama. Georgia Tech has historical rivalries and ties with a lot of SEC Schools but they really burned bridges when they left. They basically accused Alabama of cheating, threw a fit, and left the SEC.
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Dude, every single school in the PAC save OSU and Wazzou are looking to get out. I don’t see it surviving. The conference is done if the Az schools and Colorado/Utah bounce,
I think the programs that no one seems to be paying attention to, but are IMO, widely attractive is the Arizona schools. Weather, market size, location. They worry me more than anything else. But they have also worried me for about 30 years playing in the PAC, always thoughts sleeping giants with what I mentioned above, but they never woke up. So maybe same deal here.
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Isn't Arizona one of the fastest growing states? If they had a single Arizona team, I could see them being more attractive. They are two programs that split the market and frankly are about even kill. The market really isn't large enough to support both and make them as attractive as a school like USC.
The Arizonas will fit very well in Big12 though.
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No legislation currently exists that would prevent anyone from moving. One dude in Washington is just pandering for votes
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I don't want to keep beating a dead horse, so here's my final on this:
- I am sure the PAC wants to start negotiations with Fox and ESPN. As the articles below show this is to puff up against the B12, and be able to tell the remaining teams what the number is. I am sure that is what the PAC wants.
- I am also sure the best they are going to get from Fox and ESPN are some spitball numbers, as they aren't going to waste resources negotiating about a conference that likely won't exist. These are not serious negotiations ... just getting spitball numbers in case they survive or can thrive.
- On further thought, and this could be ethically tricky, Fox and ESPN probably are open to discussions with both conferences about what the value would be of either the B12 or the PAC if they plunder the other. In other words, I can hear them say, "You want to know what the 10 team PAC is worth, even though there is no chance you will have a 10 team PAC?" Hands them a napkin with a ballpark number on it. Versus, if you want to sit down and have a conversation about what the PAC would be worth if you grab BYU, and the 3 Texas schools, we'll send our numbers guys.
- So there will be discussions on what might be with all sorts of configurations, but no serious negotiations with the PAC as it stands now.
The Pac-12's current TV deals with Fox and ESPN end in the summer of 2024, which is also when USC and UCLA are scheduled to join the Big Ten. In terms of TV negotiations, that is not much time.
As the current agreement holders, ESPN and Fox have a window of exclusive negotiating rights with the Pac-12 for a period of time. Presumably, conference commissioner George Kliavkoff has spoken to Fox and ESPN officials informally to gauge what they are looking for and where the Pac-12 stands. This announcement suggests a more formal negotiation will begin.
However, it's difficult to believe any substantive talks can be held until the dust settles and it becomes clear which schools are staying in the Pac-12, which will be leaving by 2024 and which will be added.
That was a face saving attempt by the conference.
Pac-12 Begins Negotiations for Next TV Rights
Cal will be interested in what those talks produce -- if anything
www.si.com
The conference’s current deals with FOX and ESPN expire in 2024. With so much uncertainty, there are some interesting possibilities at play here.
One may be to see how the market values the Pac-12 as it stands right now. Another could be to see if there is a network or streamer that misses out on the Big Ten and responds by overpaying for another power conference. The final, and most likely, explainer is that the conference wants to be able to show it is in a better position than the Big 12 as the two conferences try to attract each other’s remaining schools.
Pac-12 To Immediately Begin Search For New TV Deal
"The conference's current deals with FOX and ESPN expire in 2024."
barrettsportsmedia.com
Per The Athletic:
It makes sense the Pac-12 wants to find out its value without USC and UCLA and present something solid to its membership to try to keep it intact. The Pac-12 needs to try and do whatever possible to keep its current schools from bouncing.
Pac-12 to begin negotiations for next media rights deal
The Pac-12's current media rights deal expires in the summer of 2024. After its conclusion, USC and UCLA will leave the conference and join the Big Ten on Aug. 2, 2024.
theathletic.com
Tucson is sneaky large, but I think it's isolated sort of like Texas Tech.
But the bolded part is what I am worried about. If Oregon and Washington are in this thing and fighting to keep the PAC alive and hold it up, but then the Arizona's schools leave for the Big12, or even B1G (to help out USC/UCLA geographically) It leaves us with 8 and we are F'd because that means we didn't explore our options and went all in on the PAC.
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I figured as much but its a stupid thing to do.
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@Red_Alert made a good point about them missing the exit date. They are going to need you guys on board. There are apparently 6 teams from Pac12 talking to Big12. I think the Arizonas need Oregon and/or Washington to get over that hump (they already got Colorado and Utah in the mix).
UCLA and USC will already vote to end Pac12 (if their vote still even counts).
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Don't sweat it the Big12 will accept your application once you guys come down to earth so you won't be without a conference.
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Truthfully, I think it would be better for the Az schools if they stayed put and tried to add B12 scraps. The problem is the uncommitted loyalty of OU, UW and Stanford. You can’t take that chance of them leaving if you have an out to something that won’t lead to the mountain west.
Unfortunately, unless it's to the B1G or SEC, we aren't going to go to any conference without Oregon St. and I am sure Washington is in the same boat.
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Every team is going to get $110+ million with our current configuration (with OU and TX).
If the SEC wants to expand, with the exception of Oregon we have better alternatives right in our backyard. There is no need to outside our existing footprint with the exception of ND.
9 Notre Dame — 2.84M
10 Oregon — 2.57M
19 Clemson — 1.74M
22 Oklahoma State — 1.58M
25 Florida State — 1.27M
29 UCLA — 1.18M
32 Southern Cal — 1.11M
35 Miami — 1.038M
36 North Carolina — 1.032M
37 Utah — 994K
38 Washington — 985K
40 West Virginia — 948K
46 Stanford — 778K
47 Arizona State — 739K
49 Boise State — 657K
51 Louisville — 616K
52 Virginia — 611K
54 Pittsburgh — 550K
55 Kansas — 540K (and that is a stretch)
56 Wake Forest — 526K
57 NC State — 525K
59 Washington State — 483K
61 Georgia Tech — 459K
62 Virginia Tech — 447K
64 Colorado — 366K
67 Arizona — 337K
69 Oregon State — 321K
76 California — 222K
77 Syracuse — 219K
84 Boston College — 156K
97 Duke — 64K
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I see Oklahoma State being that team to fill in a spot if we don't have an even number of teams. I think that would help Oklahoma as well with the move because it restores Bedlam.
I don't think they are a team that the SEC will pursue but definitely fills in a missing cog. Curious to know if Oklahoma State even wants to go to SEC though. Keep in mind, SEC has only let in teams that have inquired in the past.