Who will win Heisman

michaeljordan_fan said:
This year, they obviously are.
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That is hilarious you truly think that. What tells you that? The 38-30 win by Oregon over Texas Tech? Is it Utah scraping by .500 Florida? USC's dominating performance against ND losing by 28?

It is the SEC and everyone else, it isn't even remotely close.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
That is hilarious you truly think that. What tells you that? The 38-30 win by Oregon over Texas Tech? Is it Utah scraping by .500 Florida? USC's dominating performance against ND losing by 28?

It is the SEC and everyone else, it isn't even remotely close.
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Yeah, we should be really impressed by Bama losing to Texas at home by double digits, beating South Florida by 14 and LSU getting smoked by FSU.

It WAS the SEC and everyone else, clearly not the case this year based on the results.
 
ericd7633 said:
Yeah, we should be really impressed by Bama losing to Texas at home by double digits, beating South Florida by 14 and LSU getting smoked by FSU.

It WAS the SEC and everyone else, clearly not the case this year based on the results.
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It still is the SEC and everyone else. Georgia is the #1 team. The SEC has 6 of the top 18 teams in the latest CFP rankings.

It isn't even close who the top conference is and I'm a B1G fan.
 
Current Sagarin conf ranks
CONFERENCE CENTRAL MEAN SIMPLE AVERAGE TEAMS WIN50%

1 SEC-WEST (A) = 82.79 82.52 ( 1) 7 82.60 ( 1)
2 BIG TEN-EAST (A) = 80.30 80.98 ( 2) 7 80.47 ( 2)
3 BIG 12 (A) = 78.30 78.49 ( 3) 14 78.37 ( 3)
4 SEC-EAST (A) = 78.08 78.09 ( 4) 7 78.33 ( 4)
5 PAC-12 (A) = 77.61 77.66 ( 5) 12 77.65 ( 5)
6 ACC (A) = 73.84 74.28 ( 6) 14 74.14 ( 6)
7 BIG TEN-WEST (A) = 72.37 72.99 ( 7) 7 72.92 ( 7)
8 SUN BELT EAST (A) = 65.84 66.37 ( 8) 7 66.25 ( 8)
 
But those could change a lot by the end of the year.
 
Don't forget when Arizona lost to that SEC powerhouse Mississippi State. Or when Texas A&M lost to that great team the U. Oh shit, probably a wash.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
It still is the SEC and everyone else. Georgia is the #1 team. The SEC has 6 of the top 18 teams in the latest CFP rankings.

It isn't even close who the top conference is and I'm a B1G fan.
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Tennessee being 18th is the biggest joke of the whole thing. Blown out three times (one of them to an awful UF team) and haven't beaten anybody good. They will rightfully be unranked after UGA beats them. Just compare Utah and Tennessee's resume and explain that one to me.

And it's definitely not the SEC and everybody else. Nothing from the on-field results would suggest that.
 
Wizardhawk said:
Current Sagarin conf ranks
CONFERENCE CENTRAL MEAN SIMPLE AVERAGE TEAMS WIN50%

1 SEC-WEST (A) = 82.79 82.52 ( 1) 7 82.60 ( 1)
2 BIG TEN-EAST (A) = 80.30 80.98 ( 2) 7 80.47 ( 2)
3 BIG 12 (A) = 78.30 78.49 ( 3) 14 78.37 ( 3)
4 SEC-EAST (A) = 78.08 78.09 ( 4) 7 78.33 ( 4)
5 PAC-12 (A) = 77.61 77.66 ( 5) 12 77.65 ( 5)
6 ACC (A) = 73.84 74.28 ( 6) 14 74.14 ( 6)
7 BIG TEN-WEST (A) = 72.37 72.99 ( 7) 7 72.92 ( 7)
8 SUN BELT EAST (A) = 65.84 66.37 ( 8) 7 66.25 ( 8)
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michaeljordan_fan said:
This year, they obviously are.
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Hmmmmmmm -- who was clueless? Congrats on being in the top 5 of conferences.
 
ericd7633 said:
Tennessee being 18th is the biggest joke of the whole thing. Blown out three times (one of them to an awful UF team) and haven't beaten anybody good. They will rightfully be unranked after UGA beats them. Just compare Utah and Tennessee's resume and explain that one to me.

And it's definitely not the SEC and everybody else. Nothing from the on-field results would suggest that.
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You can say it until you are blue in the face, but it absolutely is. If you lined up the SEC against any conference and played down the board. No conference would come close to them.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
You can say it until you are blue in the face, but it absolutely is. If you lined up the SEC against any conference and played down the board. No conference would come close to them.
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That argument is just about as good as when you claimed them to be the best conference this year because of all the guys drafted last year.
 
ericd7633 said:
That argument is just about as good as when you claimed them to be the best conference this year because of all the guys drafted last year.
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The SEC has had the most players drafted into the NFL the last 17 years. The only conference who even has a shot to take them down is the B1G. Out of curiosity -- what conference do you think is the best conference?

To put it in perspective how big the talent disparity is between the conferences -- Out of the top 150 picks in the NFL draft last year. 44 were from the SEC. 36 were from the B1G. Next closest......the ACC with 19. The Big 12 with 17. The PAC with 16.

You can go year by year and it is the EXACT SAME THING, this year won't be different. The B1G may close the gap, because Michigan will set the NFL record for draft picks next year because we lose 90% of our starters. But the SEC is simply way more talented than every other conference.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
The SEC has had the most players drafted into the NFL the last 17 years. The only conference who even has a shot to take them down is the B1G. Out of curiosity -- what conference do you think is the best conference?

To put it in perspective how big the talent disparity is between the conferences -- Out of the top 150 picks in the NFL draft last year. 44 were from the SEC. 36 were from the B1G. Next closest......the ACC with 19. The Big 12 with 17. The PAC with 16.

You can go year by year and it is the EXACT SAME THING, this year won't be different. The B1G may close the gap, because Michigan will set the NFL record for draft picks next year because we lose 90% of our starters. But the SEC is simply way more talented than every other conference.
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All that talent and 4-7 against the P5 OOC...

If you need to keep arguing for what they've done and not what they are, that should speak volumes.
 
michaeljordan_fan said:
Proof is in the pudding. Look at the P5 H2H
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Wizardhawk said:
Current Sagarin conf ranks
CONFERENCE CENTRAL MEAN SIMPLE AVERAGE TEAMS WIN50%

1 SEC-WEST (A) = 82.79 82.52 ( 1) 7 82.60 ( 1)
2 BIG TEN-EAST (A) = 80.30 80.98 ( 2) 7 80.47 ( 2)
3 BIG 12 (A) = 78.30 78.49 ( 3) 14 78.37 ( 3)
4 SEC-EAST (A) = 78.08 78.09 ( 4) 7 78.33 ( 4)
5 PAC-12 (A) = 77.61 77.66 ( 5) 12 77.65 ( 5)
6 ACC (A) = 73.84 74.28 ( 6) 14 74.14 ( 6)
7 BIG TEN-WEST (A) = 72.37 72.99 ( 7) 7 72.92 ( 7)
8 SUN BELT EAST (A) = 65.84 66.37 ( 8) 7 66.25 ( 8)
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You are right -- the proof is in the pudding. The PAC is the 5th ranked conference.

BUT, BUT, BUT look how Oregon needed to outscore 5-5 Texas Tech 20-3 in the 4th quarter to win 38-30. That means the PAC is way better than Big 12. H2H. :pound:
 
ericd7633 said:
All that talent and 4-7 against the P5 OOC...

If you need to keep arguing for what they've done and not what they are, that should speak volumes.
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If you went down the line and the top team in the SEC played the top team in the PAC or any other conference, all the way on down -- The SEC would come out on top.
 
NewPhoneWhoDis said:
If you went down the line and the top team in the SEC played the top team in the PAC or any other conference, all the way on down -- The SEC would come out on top.
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So you're main two points for saying the SEC is the best is because they had a bunch of guys drafted and would win hypothetical games. Lmao.
 
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