RIP Bill Russell

Hammy my boy, let's just call it what it is. You hate the fact that the Russell-era Celtics absolutely dominated your Lakers for over a decade. If Russell had been a Laker, you'd probably be wearing a Bill Russell jersey right this very moment.

That uh...sound about right? :dhd:
 
ojb81 said:
Hammy my boy, let's just call it what it is. You hate the fact that the Russell-era Celtics absolutely dominated your Lakers for over a decade. If Russell had been a Laker, you'd probably be wearing a Bill Russell jersey right this very moment.

That uh...sound about right? :dhd:
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I couldn't care less about that era because it's almost entirely irrelevant. The Celtics dominated the other 7 teams in the league because Red accumulated most of the talent in the league on one team.
 
DragonFromTo said:
Just imagine how much better he would have been if he'd shot half as often then? :wink:

Doesn't not being able to score make him incomplete/inferior to Wilt?
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That’s part of it.

Wilt averaging more rebounds and assists is part of it too.
 
HammerDown said:
I couldn't care less about that era because it's almost entirely irrelevant. The Celtics dominated the other 7 teams in the league because Red accumulated most of the talent in the league on one team.
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ALMOST entirely irrelevant....but not entirely irrelevant


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broncosmitty said:
That’s part of it.

Wilt averaging more rebounds and assists is part of it too.
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Nobody is saying Wilt wasn't a great player. The argument is whether or not Russell was a great player. I remember those Philadelphia Warrior teams. All the offense went through Wilt. But scoring, alone, is not the only measurement of a great player.
 
ojb81 said:
anyone who puts ketchup on a hot dog is a 5 year old
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It’s a hot dog, not a steak, they’re for kids in general. I don’t remember the last time I just craved a hot dog. I might cook a hotdog if I want something quick for supper and I’m out of Captain Crunch. Cheese stuffed Oscar Mayer wieners, ketchup and mayo. The only way to eat one. If I’m gonna sauté onions for a tube steak, it’s gonna be a brat
 
Kburjr said:
But scoring, alone, is not the only measurement of a great player.
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Agreed. So which other facets of the game would you say made Bill Russell better than Wilt Chamberlain, Michael Jordan and every other human who's ever played the game of basketball?

And please don't say "the intangibles." Or what his team accomplished. If he's the greatest ever, make your case.
 
HammerDown said:
Agreed. So which other facets of the game would you say made Bill Russell better than Wilt Chamberlain, Michael Jordan and every other human who's ever played the game of basketball?

And please don't say "the intangibles." Or what his team accomplished. If he's the greatest ever, make your case.
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Again, I never said greatest. I said he was great. There is not a stat I know of that measures defense in basketball. He was a player of his time. The argument then was either Wilt or Russell. The only others all-time is Jabbar and Shaq. Those 4 are the greatest centers in the NBA. That in my book makes them all great.
 
Kburjr said:
Nobody is saying Wilt wasn't a great player. The argument is whether or not Russell was a great player. I remember those Philadelphia Warrior teams. All the offense went through Wilt. But scoring, alone, is not the only measurement of a great player.
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As I mentioned, he also grabbed more boards and had more assists. The measurements aside from scoring go with Wilt.

Were NBA games on national TV in 1961?
 
Kburjr said:
Again, I never said greatest. I said he was great. There is not a stat I know of that measures defense in basketball. He was a player of his time. The argument then was either Wilt or Russell. The only others all-time is Jabbar and Shaq. Those 4 are the greatest centers in the NBA. That in my book makes them all great.
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Hakeem > Russell
 
Looking through baskelball-ref.com, I guess there is a defensive metric. Surprisingly(haha), Russell was 1st in the league for all but 1 year between 58 and 69
 
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