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ohh it certainly sucks
And I have a feeling it’ll get worse for my boys if they continue their downward trajectory on the gridiron. Theoretically I shouldn’t be worried about it for hoops, but like 3 of the last damn times we played Kansas at home it was on Plus. WTF
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Or, maybe so ... ever get an idea that none of these guys know what they are talking about?
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It makes sense when Oregon only generates Indiana type viewership numbers in conference.
At (2-7)/(4-8) Indiana finished 12th of the 14 teams in the Big 10.
The PAC 12 is officially a mess, but what would anyone expect from the left coast?
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Let's all laugh together at UCLA who'll be leaving Oregon's viewership numbers in the dust once the Bruins join the Big 10.
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Don’t worry. I hear Oregon might get to play Tulsa instead lolLet's all laugh together at UCLA who'll be leaving Oregon's viewership numbers in the dust once the Bruins join the Big 10.
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When it is all said and done, I think the B1G will get Oregon, Notre Dame, Stanford, and Washington via expansion.
SEC is done until the ACC contract ends.
I think Notre Dame is eventually going to make the move, too much money and losing matchup with USC (along with possibly Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue, etc.) will be too much for them.
Controversial Take on here about Notre Dame, I do think Notre Dame's viewership is on a steady decline. It is still top 10 in the nation but Notre Dame was pretty much the leader of CFB up until 2000 and no one really thinks of Notre Dame as the King anymore (even 1990s saw them decline but they still had a reputation. I don't think Notre Dame has been Notre Dame since the Lou Holtz era).
Notre Dame has been surpassed by programs like Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Texas, etc. in perception.
Notre Dame is still a big pickup for the B1G but I think, long-term, programs like Michigan, Ohio State, and USC have greater staying power.
SEC is done until the ACC contract ends.
I think Notre Dame is eventually going to make the move, too much money and losing matchup with USC (along with possibly Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue, etc.) will be too much for them.
Controversial Take on here about Notre Dame, I do think Notre Dame's viewership is on a steady decline. It is still top 10 in the nation but Notre Dame was pretty much the leader of CFB up until 2000 and no one really thinks of Notre Dame as the King anymore (even 1990s saw them decline but they still had a reputation. I don't think Notre Dame has been Notre Dame since the Lou Holtz era).
Notre Dame has been surpassed by programs like Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Texas, etc. in perception.
Notre Dame is still a big pickup for the B1G but I think, long-term, programs like Michigan, Ohio State, and USC have greater staying power.
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I think ND will end up in the B1G but it will take the ACC folding in 2036 for it to happen. At that point they loose the ACC money plus a home for their non-football sports and the plus are greater than the minuses to join.
I don’t know what the B1G is going to do in regards to adding more PAC teams but I would be shocked if they added more than Oregon and Washington and they only do that if they get them at a discount.
I’ve come around to the argument that for scheduling purposes adding two more PAC teams makes sense for the B1G so that might save OU and UW. Past that and adds don’t make sense (and no I do not buy the argument they add Stanford to entice ND so don’t bother).
Otherwise expansion doesn’t make sense for anyone except the PAC if they survive and the Big 12 if they can poach PAC teams.
SEC won’t expand until the ACC folds.
ACC can’t expand or it nullified their GOR and they are toast.
Everything hinges on two things:
1. PAC gets network deal equal to the Big 12. If they don’t teams leave and they’re done.
2. The scheduling issue for the B1G is as big a problem as some make it out to be.
Those two items are the things to watch because they will dictate what happens and they somewhat interconnect. No one gives the PAC a network deal without GORs and if the B1G is serious then OU and UW wont sign them.
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Yeah, I don't know the timing but it seems like Notre Dame is starting to leave money on the table by not being in the B1G and a lot of their historical rivals are in the B1G. If B1G decides they don't have room for Notre Dame in OOC schedule (notably USC), I think it puts a lot of pressure on Notre Dame.
The reason I think the B1G will add Stanford is to get into that Northern California market and because Stanford is pretty stout in all sports. They definitely don't carry as much of the ratings but perhaps that market comes alive with only a single team and with being in the more powerful B1G.
Addition by subtraction can sometimes work because Stanford would no be playing more high-profile teams in in-conference than prior to the B1G which drives up their ratings and perhaps brings people to the table that would not watch them before.
To me it is about on par with B1G getting Maryland and Rutgers.
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B1G owns the state of California now period so Stanford doesn't move the needle.
The B1G added Rutgers and Maryland because it worked economically in a cable market-based system that is in its demise and no longer is a consideration. Even if it were the fact that the B1G is in the state already they wouldn't gain anything by getting Stanford. Maryland and Rutgers worked at the time because they could demand a premium from cable companies to carry the B1G network to everyone in those states. That model is dead. For example, in that model, the SEC added aTm and ESPN required everyone that got their channel also take the SEC network (if they wanted it or not) and pay more for it than fans in states without a team. ESPN did the same with the LHN once they signed that deal with Texas but again that model is dead. Markets don't have the pull they once did and ratings are the metric now.
ND is going to get 60mm from NBC, 30mm as their part in the ACC for a total of around 90mm so they are leaving 10mm on the table and it's worth it to them for now to have their independence. Plus they have an agreement with the ACC through 2036 so they are married until then.
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Stanford was on the radar as package deal with Notre Dame. I think there still is consideration for Northern California and Stanford really makes the most sense out of the remaining options on the board. Leagues want to keep their conferences at an even number so who else does B1G add with Notre Dame?
With its Academic prestige, being #1 in most years in College Sports cup, adding a new market, solving geography issues with UCLA/USC by giving them another California game, it just makes a lot of sense and seems like a very B1G thing to do.
I think the Academics and New Market will weigh heavily in favor for Stanford.
I am not sure about duration so you maybe right on it not happening soon. I am not sure what the ACC/Notre Dame contract looks like so I cannot comment on if Notre Dame can get out of it or not.
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If I were Notre Dame, I'd do a similar deal with the Big 10 in football that they did with the ACC.
5 ACC games and keep the annual rivalries against Navy and Stanford = 7 games.
That would leave 5 games remaining for the Big 10. USC being annual to keep that rivalry intact.
5 ACC games and keep the annual rivalries against Navy and Stanford = 7 games.
That would leave 5 games remaining for the Big 10. USC being annual to keep that rivalry intact.
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I really think they should also strive to keep Michigan or Michigan State as annual opponents as well. To me, Michigan-Notre Dame is just as interesting and iconic a rivalry as Notre Dame-USC.
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Stanford is not on anyone’s radar that matters and ND is contractually obligated to the ACC.
Cal has also been mentioned as an addition by some people and that’s insane as well because they bring nothing to the table.
You can make circle jerk arguments all day but it isn’t going to make either of those schools viable candidates. I wish the B1G would add them as it would dilute their brand and make their lives that much more difficult with scheduling and what not.
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Purdue is a bigger rival to ND than Michigan.
They've played Purdue 85 times. Michigan just 43 times.
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I would love this set up, but I'm not sure the B1G would go for it. My guess it's either all or nothing.
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Are you assuming that the B1G is going to pay ND for the privilege of giving them that kind of exclusive deal? The ACC pays them and provides a home for their non-football sports.
I’m not sure what the incentive would be to lock themselves into a B1G obligation when they can pretty much schedule anyone they want when they want.
They can play Texas, UGA, BYU, Cincinnati, Army, Navy, Alabama, Stanford, Washington or any other team with a phone call.
To lock themselves in they would want cash.