Electric Cars

[ill]

Toyota might be changing the game really soon:

Toyota’s Newly Revealed EV Plans Include 900-Mile Batteries

The car group’s newly revealed plans mention that the first of the next-generation EV will debut in 2026 as a Lexus, using a lithium-ion battery that offers over 600 miles of driving range.

insideevs.com

But more importantly IMO



If true, this would be a massive game-changer in the EV world. That would allow someone to, say, drive from Ann Arbor to Atlanta Georgia on a SINGLE charge. Even a 600 mile range would be a massive improvement, especially for cold weather. Even a 40% reduction in range during winter (a worst case scenario) would still result in 360 miles of usable range.

but can it haul my 5th wheel across the country?!

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

but can it haul my 5th wheel across the country?!

Maybe? A truck with a 900 mile range, and a 50% loss of range while towing a max load (like the current trucks do) would still result in a 450 mile range. That's a hell of a lot more reasonable.

 

[Deep Dish Pizza Goat]

Toyota might be changing the game really soon:

Toyota’s Newly Revealed EV Plans Include 900-Mile Batteries

The car group’s newly revealed plans mention that the first of the next-generation EV will debut in 2026 as a Lexus, using a lithium-ion battery that offers over 600 miles of driving range.

insideevs.com

But more importantly IMO



If true, this would be a massive game-changer in the EV world. That would allow someone to, say, drive from Ann Arbor to Atlanta Georgia on a SINGLE charge. Even a 600 mile range would be a massive improvement, especially for cold weather. Even a 40% reduction in range during winter (a worst case scenario) would still result in 360 miles of usable range.

I don't want to read the link. how long does it take to charge?

 

[ill]

I don't want to read the link. how long does it take to charge?

ahh there's the other "hurdle"

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

I don't want to read the link. how long does it take to charge?

ahh there's the other "hurdle"

Didn't say on that link

EV laggard Toyota says its next-gen EVs will have over 600 miles range | TechCrunch

Toyota's new technology roadmap will see the company's next-generation EVs with 620 miles range come to market in 2026.

techcrunch.com

can't find anything more specific

Toyota also said it has made substantial progress in its solid-state battery technology. The automaker is working on a method of mass production and aims to commercialize the technology between 2027 and 2028. Toyota reckons an EV powered by a solid-state battery would have a range of nearly 750 miles (1,200 kilometers) and a charge time of only 10 minutes. Tesla’s Superchargers give about 200 miles of charge in 15 minutes.

 

[ill]

Didn't say on that link

EV laggard Toyota says its next-gen EVs will have over 600 miles range | TechCrunch

Toyota's new technology roadmap will see the company's next-generation EVs with 620 miles range come to market in 2026.

techcrunch.com

can't find anything more specific

it's not the batteries that allow for faster charging...that is generally up to the charging station.

Tesla is opening up their superchargers for non-Tesla cars, so the infrastructure is getting there.

Tesla Already Beginning to Open U.S. Supercharger Network to Outside Brands

The company that makes the most reliable fast-chargers says it has already begun the process of opening 7500 of its chargers to outside brands by the end of 2024.

www.caranddriver.com

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

it's not the batteries that allow for faster charging...that is generally up to the charging station.

Tesla is opening up their superchargers for non-Tesla cars, so the infrastructure is getting there.

Tesla Already Beginning to Open U.S. Supercharger Network to Outside Brands

The company that makes the most reliable fast-chargers says it has already begun the process of opening 7500 of its chargers to outside brands by the end of 2024.

www.caranddriver.com

It's both. Certainly the chargers will also need to improve with the technology. I saw somethingin one of the articles that to do the 10 minutes, the lines of the charging cable would have to be cooled.

 

[ellupo]

This is just like when gasoline driven cars started. Not enough gas stations, not enough range per tank..all of that stuff. Then more and more R/D happened and improvements were made. The same will happen with electric.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

This is just like when gasoline driven cars started. Not enough gas stations, not enough range per tank..all of that stuff. Then more and more R/D happened and improvements were made. The same will happen with electric.

The concept of being able to potentially drive 900 miles on a charge is fascinating. That actually swings the argument the other way where current gasoline vehicles would be more of an inconvenience with smaller ranges. Basically drive any normal road trip on a single charge, the only thing that would require you to actually charge on the road is by doing cross country trips.

 

[Center Ice]

Maybe? A truck with a 900 mile range, and a 50% loss of range while towing a max load (like the current trucks do) would still result in a 450 mile range. That's a hell of a lot more reasonable.

Car & Driver reported that the F150 Lightening towing at full capacity would have a range of 100 miles or less.

 

[outofyourmind]

Toyota might be changing the game really soon:

Toyota’s Newly Revealed EV Plans Include 900-Mile Batteries

The car group’s newly revealed plans mention that the first of the next-generation EV will debut in 2026 as a Lexus, using a lithium-ion battery that offers over 600 miles of driving range.

insideevs.com

900 miles barley gets you out of Texas.

 

[ill]

Car & Driver reported that the F150 Lightening towing at full capacity would have a range of 100 miles or less.

cool

plenty of room for improvement.

it obviously isn't the best option just yet if you are looking for something that is going to be towing something long distances.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

900 miles barley gets you out of Texas.

Who cares about Texans. We’re talking normal states here

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Car & Driver reported that the F150 Lightening towing at full capacity would have a range of 100 miles or less.

But that's worst case scenario. Even if nothing about efficiency changed and 2/3 battery was gone, a 900 mile battery at full load would still give you 300 miles of range. That's why that 900 mile figure is so impressive. It's SO large that it dramatically changes capability top to bottom.

 

[Bayou Tiger]

Helium-3 is a light, stable isotope of helium with two protons and one neutron. Other than protium, helium-3 is the only stable isotope of any element with more protons than neutrons.

Helium-3 is used in a process called nuclear fusion that combines the Helium with a substance called Deuterium. When the two are combined, energy is produced, but no harmful waste is created.

Unlike Earth, which is protected by its magnetic field, the Moon has been bombarded with large quantities of Helium-3 by the solar wind. It is thought that this isotope could provide safer nuclear energy in a fusion reactor, since it is not radioactive and would not produce dangerous waste products.

 

[Bayou Tiger]

Who cares about Texans. We’re talking normal states here

 

[Center Ice]

But that's worst case scenario. Even if nothing about efficiency changed and 2/3 battery was gone, a 900 mile battery at full load would still give you 300 miles of range. That's why that 900 mile figure is so impressive. It's SO large that it dramatically changes capability top to bottom.

It's bad for sure. Nobody in their right mind would tow a recreational trailer with an EV.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

It's bad for sure. Nobody in their right mind would tow a recreational trailer with an EV.

300 miles allows you to travel a pretty good distance with a camper. Get to a camp site and charge your truck on site. I could see how that would appeal to many. And again. That’s a worst case number with 900 mile range improved batteries

 

[Center Ice]

300 miles allows you to travel a pretty good distance with a camper. Get to a camp site and charge your truck on site. I could see how that would appeal to many. And again. That’s a worst case number with 900 mile range improved batteries

Well, I wasn't talking about a shitty little camper trailer. I was referring to.....




You know, a real trailer.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Well, I wasn't talking about a shitty little camper trailer. I was referring to.....


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You know, a real trailer.

The max load would be dependent on the size of the truck. If a truck got 300 miles towing that, it would be good. I think the lightning is rated to 10k pounds.

I would be surprised if a truck, even with a larger fuel tank for towing, would have much more range than that. If not significantly less.