Harbaugh facing 4 game suspension

MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
This is pretty literally about cheeseburgers. All other violations were secondary. You know, like the exact same thing Ohio state did last year?
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If you believe this is about cheeseburgers you have no clue.
 
ericd7633 said:
Then he shouldn't have misled the NCAA. Obviously what he did, was worse than what osu did, so the two situations aren't comparable.
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What Michigan did yesterday was 1. Acknowledge they did something wrong 2. Suggest they used precedent to come up with the voluntary punishment and 3. avoided any punishment bleeding into the B10 schedule and 4. undermined the NCAA's 4 game suggestion/denial.

If the NCAA comes back and says it's not enough, the punishment next year still won't bleed into the B10 schedule. The language they used, and the language Harbaugh's lawyer used against the NCAA comment a week ago, suggests that any further punishments will have to be justified with proof or result in pushback/lawsuit from the school for the NCAA violating their own rules on commenting during ongoing investigations.

So IMO it's genius. We all knew a punishment was coming. This is the least impactful. And I very much doubt the NCAA does anything beyond tucking their tail and giving in at this point.
 
ellupo said:
If you believe this is about cheeseburgers you have no clue.
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But it is. He mislead NCAA investigators about buying a cheeseburger for an already committed recruit during an unofficial visit during covid visit bans. That's pretty literally what this is about.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
What Michigan did yesterday was 1. Acknowledge they did something wrong 2. Suggest they used precedent to come up with the voluntary punishment and 3. avoided any punishment bleeding into the B10 schedule and 4. undermined the NCAA's 4 game suggestion/denial.

If the NCAA comes back and says it's not enough, the punishment next year still won't bleed into the B10 schedule. The language they used, and the language Harbaugh's lawyer used against the NCAA comment a week ago, suggests that any further punishments will have to be justified with proof or result in pushback/lawsuit from the school for the NCAA violating their own rules on commenting during ongoing investigations.

So IMO it's genius. We all knew a punishment was coming. This is the least impactful. And I very much doubt the NCAA does anything beyond tucking their tail and giving in at this point.
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So you agree what Harbaugh did was worse, since you acknowledge that what Michigan did was "genius" to suspend him?
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
But it is. He mislead NCAA investigators about buying a cheeseburger for an already committed recruit during an unofficial visit during covid visit bans. That's pretty literally what this is about.
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But its not... "
He mislead NCAA investigators
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You should have stopped here.
 
ericd7633 said:
So you agree what Harbaugh did was worse, since you acknowledge that what Michigan did was "genius" to suspend him?
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I actually fully support what Harbaugh did. Give them nothing, make them prove it. We're talking about lying about buying a kid a cheeseburger. On the scale of "worseness" it's low. I think the self suspension is more than adequate to cover the violation.
 
ellupo said:
But its not... "

You should have stopped here.
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What did he mislead them about? You're so close....

Let's go a step further,

If Harbaugh mislead the NCAA about the University directly paying recruits is that the same as Harbaugh misleading the university about buying a recruit a hamburger? Clearly the "what did he mislead them about?" matters.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
What did he mislead them about? You're so close....

Let's go a step further,

If Harbaugh mislead the NCAA about the University directly paying recruits is that the same as Harbaugh misleading the university about buying a recruit a hamburger? Clearly the "what did he mislead them about?" matters.
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It doesnt matter. It could be why he eats boogers or where he buys his khakis. Lying is lying. Harbs lied. The University knows and they are trying to get ahead of the sanctions. Lying is the crime not what he lied about.
 
Hu War Yu said:
Well, I know I should be shocked, but I'm not shocked...


...that yet another thread devolved into a Michigan-Ohio State whizzing match
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eddie murphy enjoy GIF
 
ellupo said:
It doesnt matter. It could be why he eats boogers or where he buys his khakis. Lying is lying. Harbs lied. The University knows and they are trying to get ahead of the sanctions. Lying is the crime not what he lied about.
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I'm not even sure you believe that.

The University knows that by giving themselves a punishment of 3 games they're 1. Avoiding suspensions entirely during the B10 schedule (both this year and next) 2. Forcing the NCAA to try and justify a harsher sentence and 3. If they do, it will still be prior to the B10 schedule next year. 4. Will likely result in litigation if the NCAA chooses to go further, in a period of time where schools (and probably more importantly, state laws) are starting to challenge their existence entirely.
 
ellupo said:
It doesnt matter. It could be why he eats boogers or where he buys his khakis. Lying is lying. Harbs lied. The University knows and they are trying to get ahead of the sanctions. Lying is the crime not what he lied about.
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Many coaches and teams have gotten in trouble for things that are small and should not have been investigated. The NCAA should keep focused on the big issues like men participating in women’s athletics. The NCAA stole our chance to give Tressel a proper beat down.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
I actually fully support what Harbaugh did. Give them nothing, make them prove it. We're talking about lying about buying a kid a cheeseburger. On the scale of "worseness" it's low. I think the self suspension is more than adequate to cover the violation.
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Lol. So you support him blatantly cheating? Okay then.
 
ericd7633 said:
Lol. So you support him blatantly cheating? Okay then.
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I support him telling the NCAA to fuck off about investigating buying a kid a cheeseburger in an era of schools handing out bags of cash to recruits. That's why this has been perpetually called a "nothingburger". Because we're talking about minor violations, which schools commit all the time, and a coach ignoring NCAA investigators about the most minor of them.

Honestly, the coaching activities (minor violation) is (IMO) the worst of them all.
 
Michigan is covering basis to avoid lack of institution control. Harbaugh will be thrown directly under the bus once the NCAAs findings actually come out
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
I support him telling the NCAA to fuck off about investigating buying a kid a cheeseburger in an era of schools handing out bags of cash to recruits. That's why this has been perpetually called a "nothingburger". Because we're talking about minor violations, which schools commit all the time, and a coach ignoring NCAA investigators about the most minor of them.

Honestly, the coaching activities (minor violation) is (IMO) the worst of them all.
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I'm guessing there is more to it, as Pete Thamel reported yesterday. Guess we'll find out.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
I support him telling the NCAA to fuck off about investigating buying a kid a cheeseburger in an era of schools handing out bags of cash to recruits. That's why this has been perpetually called a "nothingburger". Because we're talking about minor violations, which schools commit all the time, and a coach ignoring NCAA investigators about the most minor of them.

Honestly, the coaching activities (minor violation) is (IMO) the worst of them all.
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It was dumb to lie about something so trivial. All it did was bring more scrutiny to the situation.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
I'm not even sure you believe that.

The University knows that by giving themselves a punishment of 3 games they're 1. Avoiding suspensions entirely during the B10 schedule (both this year and next) 2. Forcing the NCAA to try and justify a harsher sentence and 3. If they do, it will still be prior to the B10 schedule next year. 4. Will likely result in litigation if the NCAA chooses to go further, in a period of time where schools (and probably more importantly, state laws) are starting to challenge their existence entirely.
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Or the University look at the evidence and knows Harbs is guilty and they are hoping this will keep them from a harsher penalty from Harbs breaking the rules.
 
Voltaire said:
Many coaches and teams have gotten in trouble for things that are small and should not have been investigated. The NCAA should keep focused on the big issues like men participating in women’s athletics. The NCAA stole our chance to give Tressel a proper beat down.
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Look at the other guys is basically saying he is guilty but doesnt want any punishment.

Come on, they beat Luke by 6. Tressel would have just handed out another beatin like he did before.
 
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