We know Ryan Day took over a program already on 3rd base..but...

[Across The Field]

Probably easier when you are paying recruits prior to that being legal.

Brandon Peters was the 3rd overall QB in his class. Dylan McCarthy was the 6th overall QB in his class. Shea Patterson was the #1 overall QB in his class. Try again.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Brandon Peters was the 3rd overall QB in his class. Dylan McCarthy was the 6th overall QB in his class. Shea Patterson was the #1 overall QB in his class. Try again.

The overall talent around them was probably more of an issue. It's easier to be a QB when you have an NFL line in front of you and are mass producing NFL WR's and RB's. Michigan had pieces here and there but weren't able to put together a full offensive roster for quite some time.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

It shouldn't have taken Harbaugh this long to finally develop a QB. Meyer came to OSU in 2012, recruited JT Barrett in the 2013 class, and he was starting and killing it by 2014 (then his backup killed it in the postseason and won us a NC) and it's never ended since. If Harbaugh is anywhere close to as good of a QB developer as we were all led to believe he was when he came to michigan, there's no excuse he should have the track record at the position he does.

Again -- if you know football, like you say you do -- You will know Michigan doesn't use a one read RPO offense, like Urban Meyer used, which is exponentially easier to learn than a pro style offense.

In the history of Michigan football -- I think they have had 2 true freshman start for them. And EVERYONE misses on QB's. Michigan's problem was -- we didn't have anything in the QB room for him when he got there, so missing on QB's killed us.

 

[Across The Field]

The overall talent around them was probably more of an issue. It's easier to be a QB when you have an NFL line in front of you and are mass producing NFL WR's and RB's. Michigan had pieces here and there but weren't able to put together a full offensive roster for quite some time.

But you said michigan was constantly pumping out NFL talent before NIL. Why couldn't the QBs develop with all that NFL talent? Weird how that works.

 

[Illustrious Potentate]

I'm not quite sure why we don't, georgia has a higher african american population which may tend to produce more college football athletes? Only a guess. But it's not even proportional if that's the reason.

But to try and say Smart walked into a similar situation at Georgia that Harbaugh walked into at Michigan is kinda silly. Michigan has never had a #1 class. Smart had one within two months of taking over the program. And another within 3 years of that.

Football is king in the south. Sissies play roundball around here

There was a good bit of talent on hand when Kirby took over. The offensive line was in bad shape though, had to start a Rhode Island transfer in 2016, and there wasn’t a viable QB in place.

Kirby did put together a really good recruiting class in 2016 and Sam Pittman got the line whipped into shape pretty quickly, and the recruiting classes just got better as the years went on.

It was a quick turnaround, and he had pieces to work with, but Kirby didn’t inherit some well oiled machine ready to contend for natties in year one

 

[Across The Field]

Again -- if you know football, like you say you do -- You will know Michigan doesn't use a one read RPO offense, like Urban Meyer used, which is exponentially easier to learn than a pro style offense.

In the history of Michigan football -- I think they have had 2 true freshman start for them. And EVERYONE misses on QB's. Michigan's problem was -- we didn't have anything in the QB room for him when he got there, so missing on QB's killed us.

So your excuse is michigan voluntarily runs an offense that makes it so much harder for QBs to develop. That's your excuse?

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Brandon Peters was the 3rd overall QB in his class. Dylan McCarthy was the 6th overall QB in his class. Shea Patterson was the #1 overall QB in his class. Try again.

Peters had all the talent in the world -- he had no pocket presences once he got into games.

Dylan McCarthy could have been a very good QB -- he played one game worth of snaps in D1 and suffered one of the worst concussions I've seen and then broke his collarbone.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

But you said michigan was constantly pumping out NFL talent before NIL. Why couldn't the QBs develop with all that NFL talent? Weird how that works.

Yes. And look what kind of talent it was. Mostly defense.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

So your excuse is michigan voluntarily runs an offense that makes it so much harder for QBs to develop. That's your excuse?

It isn't an excuse -- it is a fact. Pro Style offenses are exponentially harder on QB's than the spread single read RPO styles to not only learn, but to run.

Once you have a QB who can run a pro style offense -- it is WAY harder on a defense to defend, as I'd think you would get after seeing UM put up 1,000+ yards over the last 2 years on OSU.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

It isn't an excuse -- it is a fact. Pro Style offenses are exponentially harder on QB's than the spread single read RPO styles to not only learn, but to run.

Once you have a QB who can run a pro style offense -- it is WAY harder on a defense to defend, as I'd think you would get after seeing UM put up 1,000+ yards over the last 2 years on OSU.

It's also why OSU has had some of the best college football QB's in the last two decades, and only one of them has really been a good NFL QB; which is also the one they used the least in the RPO game.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

lol. You made this comment seriously?

You want to know how many five star players Georgia got in the 4 classes prior to Kirby being hired in 2015? 9

You want to know how many five star players Michigan got in the 4 classes prior to Harbaugh? 2

Michigan class ranks prior to Harbaugh -- #30, #6, #4, #20
Georgia class ranks prior to Smart -- #9, #12, #8, #6

Michigan's class the signing day Harbaugh took over in 2015 -- #37
Georgia's class the signing day Smart took over in 2016 -- #1

Stop it.

In the state of Georgia this year there are FIVE 5 star recruits, and 35 four star recruits. In Michigan there are zero 5 star recruits and 7 four star recruits.

These are not comparable situations.

I'm referencing the graph provided.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

I'm referencing the graph provided.

Sure. And it shows that Georgia had more inherited skill....but also doesn't include that #1 class he brought in two months after being hired. The rosters were not similar in year 1.

 

[Across The Field]

It isn't an excuse -- it is a fact. Pro Style offenses are exponentially harder on QB's than the spread single read RPO styles to not only learn, but to run.

Once you have a QB who can run a pro style offense -- it is WAY harder on a defense to defend, as I'd think you would get after seeing UM put up 1,000+ yards over the last 2 years on OSU.

Love how when you present reasons as to why michigan has failed to produce QB talent under Harbaugh for 6 years it's a fact, but when I point out statistical information it's an excuse. The continued hypocrisy of michigan fans, gotta love it.

Also, your QBs haven't been why you've won the past 2 years. McNamara was dogshit against us in 2021, and JJ was largely dogshit last year outside of 2 throws where he was throwing to a wide open receiver.

 

[Across The Field]

Peters had all the talent in the world -- he had no pocket presences once he got into games.

Dylan McCarthy could have been a very good QB -- he played one game worth of snaps in D1 and suffered one of the worst concussions I've seen and then broke his collarbone.

Be that as it may, Harbaugh has still failed miserably at developing QB talent. You're telling me it was all part of the plan in 2015, that Harbaugh was going to take 6 years to finally develop even a decent QB?

 

[cwerph]

At least if you are born on third base, they allow you to enter the stadium on game day.

 

[Deep Creek]

The same Hoke that destroyed SDSU. By the way I have been drinking lots of apple crown.

You sound like a couple of guys I play golf with. I don’t understand you guys that ruin good whiskey by putting all these flavors in it. It is like putting ketchup on a steak. Bourbon and Coke, Apple Crown, Fireball, Orange Jameson, blah, blah, blah.

If you ain’t going to drink whiskey “Neat”, the ONLY thing that should be allowed in whiskey (besides water and/or ice) is just a dash of bitters/ simple syrup for an Old Fashioned. That’s it.

 

[michaeljordan_fan]

Sure. And it shows that Georgia had more inherited skill....but also doesn't include that #1 class he brought in two months after being hired. The rosters were not similar in year 1.

It showed a negligible difference in talent between the two teams.

 

[navamind]

You sound like a couple of guys I play golf with. I don’t understand you guys that ruin good whiskey by putting all these flavors in it. It is like putting ketchup on a steak. Bourbon and Coke, Apple Crown, Fireball, Orange Jameson, blah, blah, blah.

If you ain’t going to drink whiskey “Neat”, the ONLY thing that should be allowed in whiskey (besides water and/or ice) is just a dash of bitters/ simple syrup for an Old Fashioned. That’s it.

Fireball is AIDS

 

[Illustrious Potentate]

Sure. And it shows that Georgia had more inherited skill....but also doesn't include that #1 class he brought in two months after being hired. The rosters were not similar in year 1.

Kirby’s 2016 class was very good, but it was 6th, not 1st. 2018 was Kirby’s first top ranked class

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

It's also why OSU has had some of the best college football QB's in the last two decades, and only one of them has really been a good NFL QB; which is also the one they used the least in the RPO game.

Anyone with a clue about football knows it is WAAAAAY harder on a QB. @Across The Field just wants to come at me with ANYTHING to try and sound like he knows what he is talking about.

Best part is - his own comments are blatantly showing how clueless he really is.

He should say Ty to me for all I've taught to him about the game. He can go to his friends now and tell them about how B1G teams pool bowl money. And he can tell his friends how a pro style offense is exponentially more complex than a single read RPO and his friends will think how smart he is.