Good bye Big 12

[Thiefery]

I don’t think so. The Big 12 was a shotgun wedding of 2 failed conferences. The biggest issue for the Big 12 was that is had the smallest population footprint of any conference. CFB became about money and conference with 1/3 of its conference in 1 state was always going to struggle. Not to mention several B schools from small population states (ISU and KSU). Big 12 just had the worst assets of any conference

yeah.. State of TX had to support it all.. Baylor should have never been included, also some of the big8 schools were also a drain.. I get the lovable cyclones but they brought nothing to the table.. neither did KSU or okie light

but it's all a moot point.. schools still would have been picked off.. the positive thing is that after the scare of 2011.. those schools that remained got paid very well..enough to pay for good coaching and to upgrade it's programs (facilities/stadiums).. Which is why the conference is still standing and not dead like the Pac12

 

[Wild Turkey]

I don’t think so. The Big 12 was a shotgun wedding of 2 failed conferences. The biggest issue for the Big 12 was that is had the smallest population footprint of any conference. CFB became about money and conference with 1/3 of its conference in 1 state was always going to struggle. Not to mention several B schools from small population states (ISU and KSU). Big 12 just had the worst assets of any conference

Footprint mattered at one time under the old model but today the name of the game is ratings.

If the states of Alabama, Mississippi , Arkansas and Louisiana can pull ratings then anyone can.

 

[Thiefery]

Footprint mattered at one time under the old model but today the name of the game is ratings.

If the states of Alabama, Mississippi , Arkansas and Louisiana can pull ratings then anyone can.

arkansas, MS? Bama pulls numbers because they are elite.. LSU pulls numbers because they challenge for a title every few seasons..

arkansas only pulls numbers vs an opponent that can carry them

 

[Wild Turkey]

arkansas, MS? Bama pulls numbers because they are elite.. LSU pulls numbers because they challenge for a title every few seasons..

arkansas only pulls numbers vs an opponent that can carry them

So you are telling me that Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska and aTm couldn't pull numbers and elevate the Big 12 to a decent contract?

If all those schools scheduled decent OOC games each year it would have given the Big 12 enough juice to compete for a network deal.

 

[Thiefery]

So you are telling me that Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska and aTm couldn't pull numbers and elevate the Big 12 to a decent contract?

If all those schools scheduled decent OOC games each year it would have given the Big 12 enough juice to compete for a network deal.

they got a better contract once nebraska, mizzu, cu and aggy left lol

Saw what happened to the Pac? That would have happened to the Big12 eventually.. why? cause Beebe sucked, Bowlsby sucked

you could have thrown money at the conference.. Nebraska would have stayed disgruntled..Mizzu would have kept lifting it's skirt trying to get the BiGs attention.. Colorado would have continued to flirt with the PAC..

Like Codaxx said.. the Big12 wasn't brought together as one.. it was a shotgun marriage that needed to be done because their respective conference were dying..

it was nice for a moment.. but as soon as the power shifted to the south division.. that spurned Nebraska and needed to find reasons to why UT was killing them (not ou or anyone else, but UT)..

Colorado began to crumble after the Klatt era.. and looked west as their savior

Mizzu felt it belonged in the BiG because of the AAU thing (despite UT, aggy and even NU (momentarily) being part of it..

aggy felt spurned when Dodds told their president to not worry that they would take care of them.. Dodds always being blunt did him no favors.. i don't blame aggy for making their own path.

TLDR: they shot down the network deal when UT brought it up

 

[Wild Turkey]

they got a better contract once nebraska, mizzu, cu and aggy left lol

Saw what happened to the Pac? That would have happened to the Big12 eventually.. why? cause Beebe sucked, Bowlsby sucked

you could have thrown money at the conference.. Nebraska would have stayed disgruntled..Mizzu would have kept lifting it's skirt trying to get the BiGs attention.. Colorado would have continued to flirt with the PAC..

Like Codaxx said.. the Big12 wasn't brought together as one.. it was a shotgun marriage that needed to be done because their respective conference were dying..

it was nice for a moment.. but as soon as the power shifted to the south division.. that spurned Nebraska and needed to find reasons to why UT was killing them (not ou or anyone else, but UT)..

Colorado began to crumble after the Klatt era.. and looked west as their savior

Mizzu felt it belonged in the BiG because of the AAU thing (despite UT, aggy and even NU (momentarily) being part of it..

aggy felt spurned when Dodds told their president to not worry that they would take care of them.. Dodds always being blunt did him no favors.. i don't blame aggy for making their own path.

TLDR: they shot down the network deal when UT brought it up

There is so much in the bolded you are glossing over that it borders on intellectual dishonesty.

Own your shit and quit being a little bitch.

 

[Thiefery]

There is so much in the bolded you are glossing over that it borders on intellectual dishonesty.

Own your shit and quit being a little bitch.

lol you think they took less money when they left????

LOL

Big 12 and Fox Sports Media Group Announce Landmark Agreement

The Big 12 Conference and Fox Sports Media Group have reached a 13-year agreement for exclusive cable rights to 40 football games per season, as well as to a variety of Olympic sports events and Conference championships.

big12sports.com

they then got even more money when they decided to bring back the CCG game a couple seasons later.. The brass was dumb on a lot of things..but when it came down to actually making money.. they did pretty well.. which is surprising.. you'd think they would have signed a dumb cbs contract for 20 years or something

 

[Red_Alert]

they got a better contract once nebraska, mizzu, cu and aggy left lol

Saw what happened to the Pac? That would have happened to the Big12 eventually.. why? cause Beebe sucked, Bowlsby sucked

you could have thrown money at the conference.. Nebraska would have stayed disgruntled..Mizzu would have kept lifting it's skirt trying to get the BiGs attention.. Colorado would have continued to flirt with the PAC..

Like Codaxx said.. the Big12 wasn't brought together as one.. it was a shotgun marriage that needed to be done because their respective conference were dying..

it was nice for a moment.. but as soon as the power shifted to the south division.. that spurned Nebraska and needed to find reasons to why UT was killing them (not ou or anyone else, but UT)..

Colorado began to crumble after the Klatt era.. and looked west as their savior

Mizzu felt it belonged in the BiG because of the AAU thing (despite UT, aggy and even NU (momentarily) being part of it..

aggy felt spurned when Dodds told their president to not worry that they would take care of them.. Dodds always being blunt did him no favors.. i don't blame aggy for making their own path.

TLDR: they shot down the network deal when UT brought it up

Nebraska, Colorado, and Missouri did nothing until tejas started flirting with the PAC and taking 3 other teams with them.

What Nebraska, Colorado, and Missouri did was reactionary for security purposes.

 

[Wild Turkey]

lol you think they took less money when they left????

LOL

Big 12 and Fox Sports Media Group Announce Landmark Agreement

The Big 12 Conference and Fox Sports Media Group have reached a 13-year agreement for exclusive cable rights to 40 football games per season, as well as to a variety of Olympic sports events and Conference championships.

big12sports.com

they then got even more money when they decided to bring back the CCG game a couple seasons later.. The brass was dumb on a lot of things..but when it came down to actually making money.. they did pretty well.. which is surprising.. you'd think they would have signed a dumb cbs contract for 20 years or something

Dude you were just riding the wave of conference contracts which has always been the SEC trailblazes, the B1G follows and bursts the ceiling, and then the Big 12 rides the coattails. It's just when the last merry-go-round stopped the networks looked and there wasn't anything left to buy.

It would have been a different story if everyone had stayed together and had competent conference leadership. There is no doubt in my mind that the SEC was headed down a dark path right before Mike Slive came in as commissioner as everyone was turning each other into the NCAA left and right. Slive cut that crap out and put out the directive we were to handle things in-house and at the conference level and he got everyone marching in the same direction. The result was the BCS came around and the SEC has dominated since with Tennessee, Florida, LSU, Auburn, Alabama and all winning national championships. That's five different SEC schools with trophies in the last 25 years and no one can touch that.

You guys have 2 in that time period and who knows if Nebraska hadn't been cut off from Big 12 recruiting ground they might have had the strength to find one in there also. You guys can make fun of the SEC all you want in regards to the SEC SEC chants but the cooperative culture behind the scenes (even though everyone hates everyone) has been highly successful and that model has worked in baseball as well and the conference is making big strides in both men's and women's basketball. With OU and Texas programs there is a reasonable shot for the SEC to be dominant in pretty much everything but Men's basketball as far the non-Olympic sports are concerned and give us time and the conference as a whole will be equal to anyone in that too.

No the Big 12 could have succeeded and was a complete failure on everyone's part.

 

[Thiefery]

Nebraska, Colorado, and Missouri did nothing until tejas started flirting with the PAC and taking 3 other teams with them.

What Nebraska, Colorado, and Missouri did was reactionary for security purposes.

sir Mizzu started it first

 

[Red_Alert]

Dude you were just riding the wave of conference contracts which has always been the SEC trailblazes, the B1G follows and bursts the ceiling, and then the Big 12 rides the coattails. It's just when the last merry-go-round stopped the networks looked and there wasn't anything left to buy.

It would have been a different story if everyone had stayed together and had competent conference leadership. There is no doubt in my mind that the SEC was headed down a dark path right before Mike Slive came in as commissioner as everyone was turning each other into the NCAA left and right. Slive cut that crap out and put out the directive we were to handle things in-house and at the conference level and he got everyone marching in the same direction. The result was the BCS came around and the SEC has dominated since with Tennessee, Florida, LSU, Auburn, Alabama and all winning national championships. That's five different SEC schools with trophies in the last 25 years and no one can touch that.

You guys have 2 in that time period and who knows if Nebraska hadn't been cut off from Big 12 recruiting ground they might have had the strength to find one in there also. You guys can make fun of the SEC all you want in regards to the SEC SEC chants but the cooperative culture behind the scenes (even though everyone hates everyone) has been highly successful and that model has worked in baseball as well and the conference is making big strides in both men's and women's basketball. With OU and Texas programs there is a reasonable shot for the SEC to be dominant in pretty much everything but Men's basketball as far the non-Olympic sports are concerned and give us time and the conference as a whole will be equal to anyone in that too.

No the Big 12 could have succeeded and was a complete failure on everyone's part.

Nebraska didn't recruit Texas near as much as people think. Nebraska recruited nationally. From Florida to Jersey, to California.

Oklahoma is who recruited Texas heavily and still do.

Just look at Oklahoma rosters compared to Nebraska's back when Nebraska was a powerhouse.

 

[Thiefery]

Dude you were just riding the wave of conference contracts which has always been the SEC trailblazes, the B1G follows and bursts the ceiling, and then the Big 12 rides the coattails. It's just when the last merry-go-round stopped the networks looked and there wasn't anything left to buy.

It would have been a different story if everyone had stayed together and had competent conference leadership. There is no doubt in my mind that the SEC was headed down a dark path right before Mike Slive came in as commissioner as everyone was turning each other into the NCAA left and right. Slive cut that crap out and put out the directive we were to handle things in-house and at the conference level and he got everyone marching in the same direction. The result was the BCS came around and the SEC has dominated since with Tennessee, Florida, LSU, Auburn, Alabama and all winning national championships. That's five different SEC schools with trophies in the last 25 years and no one can touch that.

You guys have 2 in that time period and who knows if Nebraska hadn't been cut off from Big 12 recruiting ground they might have had the strength to find one in there also. You guys can make fun of the SEC all you want in regards to the SEC SEC chants but the cooperative culture behind the scenes (even though everyone hates everyone) has been highly successful and that model has worked in baseball as well and the conference is making big strides in both men's and women's basketball. With OU and Texas programs there is a reasonable shot for the SEC to be dominant in pretty much everything but Men's basketball as far the non-Olympic sports are concerned and give us time and the conference as a whole will be equal to anyone in that too.

No the Big 12 could have succeeded and was a complete failure on everyone's part.

sir

2013;

• Pac-12: $250 million ($20.83 million per school)
• Big Ten: $248 million ($20.67 million)
• Big 12: $200 million ($20 million)
• ACC: $240 million ($17.14 million)
• SEC: $205 million ($14.64 million)
• Notre Dame: $15 million
  
  
  2020
  1. Big Ten: $54.3 million2. SEC: $45.5 million3. Big 12: ~$38 million4. Pac-12: $33.6 million5. ACC: ~$33 million
  The Big 12's numbers do not include third-tier rights such as the Longhorn Network, since each school collects those on their own.

 

[Thiefery]

of course UT and ou will be competitive on all sports.. even in the SEC.. because we are both competitive.. again the Big12 wasn't anything like the SEC.. thing was born in 1995 or 1996 lol.. there was no long standing history.

and it's not like the big8 brought it's history into it.. ou and nu decided NOT to play annually despite the conference wanting it.

comparing the SEC to the Big12 is apples and oranges.. Your schools had been together for generations... the mass population growing in the south over the past 50 years has helped too.

 

[Codaxx]

Footprint mattered at one time under the old model but today the name of the game is ratings.

If the states of Alabama, Mississippi , Arkansas and Louisiana can pull ratings then anyone can.

It got blown up that one time during that old model

 

[Wishbone]

of course UT and ou will be competitive on all sports.. even in the SEC.. because we are both competitive.. again the Big12 wasn't anything like the SEC.. thing was born in 1995 or 1996 lol.. there was no long standing history.

and it's not like the big8 brought it's history into it.. ou and nu decided NOT to play annually despite the conference wanting it.

comparing the SEC to the Big12 is apples and oranges.. Your schools had been together for generations... the mass population growing in the south over the past 50 years has helped too.

Yeah the other sports OU will dominate softball and gymnastics just like they do now. Expect easy Nattys once again in those next year as well. Texas will dominate swimming(does SEC have swimming?) and volleyball. Both OU and texas are great in golf with each getting Nattys the last 3 years.

 

[Wild Turkey]

Yeah the other sports OU will dominate softball and gymnastics just like they do now. Expect easy Nattys once again in those next year as well. Texas will dominate swimming(does SEC have swimming?) and volleyball. Both OU and texas are great in golf with each getting Nattys the last 3 years.

Auburn and Florida have great swimming programs.

Of course, unless you have a championship-quality equestrian or bass fishing team you are a second-tier school.

 

[SoonerC]

well winning the first big12 title and winning the last before we bolt with ou to the SEC is something.. #HookEm

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[SoonerC]

Yeah the other sports OU will dominate softball and gymnastics just like they do now. Expect easy Nattys once again in those next year as well. Texas will dominate swimming(does SEC have swimming?) and volleyball. Both OU and texas are great in golf with each getting Nattys the last 3 years.

OU and Texas will hold their own in baseball too.

 

[Thiefery]

i need my horns to break through on the hardcourt.. I felt Chris Beard was on track to get us there within 5 seasons.. well he choked it away and I still am not too thrilled with Rodney Terry

 

[Wild Turkey]

OU and Texas will hold their own in baseball too.

I just looked and you've got one natty 1951 and two runner-ups in 1994/2022 since 1947 which is as far back as the records went that I looked at, which isn't bad but not at Texas' level. I did learn that the PAC used to absolutely dominate baseball from the 50s through the early 80s.

In the last 16 years, the SEC has not been in the final only once and 4 times in that time span both teams in the final were SEC teams. They won 9 of them and one year was called off because of COVID so really 15 years.

That is pretty dominant and the teams include:

LSU
Florida
Ole Miss
Miss State
Vandy
Arkansas
South Carolina
Georgia

If you guys had been in that would have included two more teams plus 2 more appearances.