Poll So its Michigan v Washington for all the marbles

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Sounds like you should just go bet it all. I have no horse in this race, just not impressed with Michigan.

I'm just trying to understand your thought process? You talk about Washington as a super offense, yet they have only scored 1 more td than Michigan on the season?!?

So Michigan is a super offense too?

 

[SoonerC]

I'm just trying to understand your thought process? You talk about Washington as a super offense, yet they have only scored 1 more td than Michigan on the season?!?

So Michigan is a super offense too?

Washington is 10 in total offense, Michigan is 70. I was just doing the eye test but a quick check confirmed it.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

Washington is 10 in total offense, Michigan is 70. I was just doing the eye test but a quick check confirmed it.

Yet points per game is 37 for Washington. 36 for Michigan. And Washington has scored 1 more touchdown on the season.

Or does scoring not matter? Only yards?

 

[Voltaire]

Why play the game on the field ... we win on paper ... oh wait, I have recalculated everything ... we lose on paper

 

[SoonerC]

Yet points per game is 37 for Washington. 36 for Michigan. And Washington has scored 1 more touchdown on the season.

Or does scoring not matter? Only yards?

You found an offensive stat and so did I.

 

[Wizardhawk]

I don't think people have really followed this Michigan team when you say that.

Michigan is so good because they dictate how the game will be played. They aren't going to move away from their style, no matter what. They are going to run the ball on offense, they are going to work the clock and they aren't going to beat themselves. Defensively, they will alternate guys all game long so our defensive front will be fresh the entire game. We had 7 or 8 sacks against Bama, by 6 different players.

And they won't beat themselves. The Bama game was an anomaly. Our FG kicker had missed 2 FG's all year. We had missed zero extra points. And we had the 2nd fewest turnovers in all of CFB. On the flip side -- we are the least penalitzed team in CFB as well, while having the #2 defense.

I laugh when people say Michigan can't play a high scoring game with Washington. Total touchdowns scored on the year for the teams.

Washington scored 63 touchdowns. Michigan scored 62 touchdowns. Yet one team is a high flying offense, the other isn't???

1 - Milroe has been sacked FOURTY FOUR times this season. Penix has been sacked a total of 15 times over the last two full years. 10 total on this season.
2 - UW has the Joe Moore award winning offensive line. No, they aren't unbeatable and will likely blow at least a few plays with how good MI is, but this isn't the same line you've been beating up all year. I can't see 7 or 8 sacks in this game. They do an excellent job of making reads and adjustments. I've honestly never seen a line that communicates as well as this one at UW.
3 - They are a high flying offense BECAUSE THEY FUCKING THROW THE BALL. You know, in the AIR. Penix has more than 1,800 more yards passing than JJ does. TD's seems a dumb metric to look at when evaluating what high flying means. :-/

As stated, UW hasn't faced a rushing attack of the likes of Michigan and Michigan hasn't faced the passing attack of the likes of UW. There's no looking at other games this year to decide how both will react to those unmatched variables.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

You found an offensive stat and so did I

The name of the game is scoring points. You don't get bonus points for more yards.

Washington will be the best offense Michigan has faced. At the same time, Michigan will be the best defense Washington has faced.

 

[SoonerC]

The name of the game is scoring points. You don't get bonus points for more yards.

Washington will be the best offense Michigan has faced. At the same time, Michigan will be the best defense Washington has faced.

Yup and offense is beating defense now across the board. Obviously they are going to play the game, we will see.

 

[Wizardhawk]

The name of the game is scoring points. You don't get bonus points for more yards.

You are hung up on scoring when the question is what are the strengths/weaknesses of each unit on both sides of the ball. Michigan hasn't seen a passing attack like this all year. No less than 5 major weapons to throw to and a QB that doesn't get rattled easily. Maybe they sputter or otherwise don't play up to the standard that day, but trying to comp what Michigan did against any other team is not possible when none compare. Had they played even an LSU, or Oregon, you'd have something. They didn't.

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

1 - Milroe has been sacked FOURTY FOUR times this season. Penix has been sacked a total of 15 times over the last two full years. 10 total on this season.
2 - UW has the Joe Moore award winning offensive line. No, they aren't unbeatable and will likely blow at least a few plays with how good MI is, but this isn't the same line you've been beating up all year. I can't see 7 or 8 sacks in this game. They do an excellent job of making reads and adjustments. I've honestly never seen a line that communicates as well as this one at UW.
3 - They are a high flying offense BECAUSE THEY FUCKING THROW THE BALL. You know, in the AIR. Penix has more than 1,800 more yards passing than JJ does. TD's seems a dumb metric to look at when evaluating what high flying means. :-/

As stated, UW hasn't faced a rushing attack of the likes of Michigan and Michigan hasn't faced the passing attack of the likes of UW. There's no looking at other games this year to decide how both will react to those unmatched variables.

He didn't say high flying -- he called them a super offense. I just pointed out Washington had only scored 1 more TD than UM on the season and they only average one more point than UM. That's why I asked if that makes UM a super offense? Or does it not because Corum has rushed for 25 touchdowns instead of catching 25 touchdown passes?

You won't hear me say Michigan is going to do anything defensively. I'm not that guy. I think it is going to be a great game. UM has the #1 pass defense in the country, but we have played a passing offense like Washington. We do have big talent at CB and a 6'2" five star CB who has matched up with Harrison Jr. two years in a row, who will likely follow Odunze around and our 2nd CB was named all-american this year (though it was 2nd team I think)

I think it will be a battle of wills and whoever makes the least mistakes and doesn't put themselves in bad spot on offense (3rd and long type situations)

 

[DayButtAssMans’s]

Michigan is better. I pick them.

either one of these teams would punch Michigan in the uterus, no doubt.
this game is the real NC game

 

[NewPhoneWhoDis]

You are hung up on scoring when the question is what are the strengths/weaknesses of each unit on both sides of the ball. Michigan hasn't seen a passing attack like this all year. No less than 5 major weapons to throw to and a QB that doesn't get rattled easily. Maybe they sputter or otherwise don't play up to the standard that day, but trying to comp what Michigan did against any other team is not possible when none compare. Had they played even an LSU, or Oregon, you'd have something. They didn't.

Did you just say I'm hung up on scoring points? In a football game? OF COURSE I AM. Scoring points and stopping teams from scoring points is how you win. NO ONE wins a game because they had more total offense and scored less points.

Not to take anything away from Washington -- you guys are very good this year. To say we haven't see a team with major weapons is laughable, when Ohio State has, the best skill position talent in college football. They have a WR room FILLED with future 1st round NFL draft picks, including the best WR in CFB over the last 10 years or more, in Marvin Harrison Jr., and five star recruit after five star recruit after five star recruit waiting in the wings.

And on the other side of your comment -- Washington hasn't played a defense even close to Michigan this year. When Washington is on offense, it will be your strength against our strength. The difference is, when Michigan is on offense, it will be our strength against your weakness.

Michigan has to take advantage of that and control the time of possession. Best way to defend a 'high flying offense' is to keep them on the sideline.

 

[RobBase]

Part of the reason the D has been better in the second half most of the year is their conditioning. They have been more fresh than the offenses played. They don't wear out as fast.

Now of course MI has higher ranked kids, bigger at spots, etc. Those are the concerns. They can adapt to game plan, but can the out physical their guys enough? We will see.

I saw a post up here saying UW would have to play perfect to win.

That's just dumb.

You can say they can't afford to turn it over. That's probably true. But it's not like they have to score on every possession to have a chance. No matter what you think of MI offense, they won't get 7 every time they touch the ball either.

Definitely not, but I think MI will control the clock and time of possession and get a lead, keeping the Huskies possessions to a minimum and really making them all count.

 

[Wizardhawk]

Did you just say I'm hung up on scoring points? In a football game? OF COURSE I AM. Scoring points and stopping teams from scoring points is how you win. NO ONE wins a game because they had more total offense and scored less points.

Not to take anything away from Washington -- you guys are very good this year. To say we haven't see a team with major weapons is laughable, when Ohio State has, the best skill position talent in college football. They have a WR room FILLED with future 1st round NFL draft picks, including the best WR in CFB over the last 10 years or more, in Marvin Harrison Jr., and five star recruit after five star recruit after five star recruit waiting in the wings.

And on the other side of your comment -- Washington hasn't played a defense even close to Michigan this year. When Washington is on offense, it will be your strength against our strength. The difference is, when Michigan is on offense, it will be our strength against your weakness.

Michigan has to take advantage of that and control the time of possession. Best way to defend a 'high flying offense' is to keep them on the sideline.

LOL

That's major dumb right there.
You obviously haven't seen any tape at all of Odunze. He arguably had better stats than Harrison Jr so to claim he's a generational talent seems odd. Add to that Penix is the top QB in the game and then add Polk and McMillin and 2 TE's that have crazy good hands and Johnson catching out of the backfield. AND again, the Joe Moore winning offensive line.

FFS man, you are losing ground fast here.

 

[DayButtAssMans’s]

 

[Wizardhawk]

He didn't say high flying -- he called them a super offense. I just pointed out Washington had only scored 1 more TD than UM on the season and they only average one more point than UM.

Washington scored 63 touchdowns. Michigan scored 62 touchdowns. Yet one team is a high flying offense, the other isn't???

 

[DayButtAssMans’s]

LOL

That's major dumb right there.
You obviously haven't seen any tape at all of Odunze. He arguably had better stats than Harrison Jr so to claim he's a generational talent seems odd. Add to that Penix is the top QB in the game and then add Polk and McMillin and 2 TE's that have crazy good hands and Johnson catching out of the backfield. AND again, the Joe Moore winning offensive line.

FFS man, you are losing ground fast here.

Odunze has better stats than Harrison Jr in every single category except one fewer touchdown. It's not arguable. AND he will get one extra game to change that one category for his efforts.

 

[Wizardhawk]

Definitely not, but I think MI will control the clock and time of possession and get a lead, keeping the Huskies possessions to a minimum and really making them all count.

Certainly possible. I don't have issues with fans that are confident. I've only been questioning some of the reasoning used when it seems to entirely ignore logic.

Michigan for sure might control enough clock and get enough stops to win. I'm not convinced that is inevitable though.

 

[Wizardhawk]

Odunze has better stats than Harrison Jr in every single category except one fewer touchdown. It's not arguable. AND he will get one extra game to change that one category for his efforts.

That's why this team has so many chips on their shoulders. The national folks just entirely missed this whole UW season.

Michigan likes to claim it is them vs everyone else and yet were a team picked my many to be here.

UW has zero pressure on them in this game. None.

Let's see who tightens up when the game is on the line.

 

[Wizardhawk]

Of course not every member of the national media has missed the boat.