Michigan’s Sherone Moore to be named head coach

Across The Field said:
I've never tried assigning blame to either of them. My point was Moore's situation isn't similar to Day's in this regard. Day knew well ahead of time what was going to happen and he was able to plan accordingly.
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Both were elevated from OC. Michigan was at Harbaugh's mercy. So they had to let it play out. The lateness of it all, to me, means hiring Moore makes even more sense.
 
ericd7633 said:
I also think that was the case too. Part of why a guy like Gattis left.

Liepold and Klieman are obviously good coaches, but Michigan is a different beast. I don't think any of them would be considered a home run hire. I'd personally go with Moore over them.
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I think Gattis was a "leave on your own terms while you can" kind of guy. I was hearing awful things about him while he was still there, and his trajectory hasn't exactly improved as a coach.

Leipold took over a Kansas team that 9+ losses for 13 years and took them to a bowl game in 2022 and a 9-win season in 2023. It takes a very special coach to do that. Similarly, KSU was in a lull from 2017-2021 until Klieman came in and won the Big 12 with 10 wins in 2022 and went 9-4 this year with two extremely narrow top-10 losses.

It seems highly illogical to say Sherrone Moore has a "great track record" while only calling Klieman and Leipold merely "good coaches".
 
ericd7633 said:
Both were elevated from OC. Michigan was at Harbaugh's mercy. So they had to let it play out. The lateness of it all, to me, means hiring Moore makes even more sense.
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Well if what newphone is saying, they weren't at Harbaugh's mercy because they knew he was leaving.

Like I said earlier, if Moore comes in this year and wins 13 games and obliterates the entire Big10 like Day did in 2019, let me know.
 
Across The Field said:
I think Gattis was a "leave on your own terms while you can" kind of guy. I was hearing awful things about him while he was still there, and his trajectory hasn't exactly improved as a coach.

Leipold took over a Kansas team that 9+ losses for 13 years and took them to a bowl game in 2022 and a 9-win season in 2023. It takes a very special coach to do that. Similarly, KSU was in a lull from 2017-2021 until Klieman came in and won the Big 12 with 10 wins in 2022 and went 9-4 this year with two extremely narrow top-10 losses.

It seems highly illogical to say Sherrone Moore has a "great track record" while only calling Klieman and Leipold merely "good coaches".
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They are good coaches. Moore does have a great track record for what he's done in his career, just doesn't have HC experience. Both can be true. I still don't think either of them would have been a better hire than Moore given all the circumstances. No different than what OSU did with Day, OU did with Riley and and ND did with Freeman.
 
Across The Field said:
Well if what newphone is saying, they weren't at Harbaugh's mercy because they knew he was leaving.

Like I said earlier, if Moore comes in this year and wins 13 games and obliterates the entire Big10 like Day did in 2019, let me know.
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I mean sure, it was assumed he was going to leave, I could have told you that, but you can't make him the new HC until it's official. Harbaugh didn't have the have a great relationship with the AD. There was a lot of contention there. This coach in waiting scenario was never really plausible IMO.

I doubt Moore will win 13 games, one because the schedule is extremely difficult and two, a lot of this roster is leaving, unlike when Day took over at OSU. Michigan is a developmental program, when having to replace a lot, there is a rebuild. See the 2017 season. If he goes 9-3, I think that's a perfectly reasonable expectation, and will probably get them in the CFP.
 
ericd7633 said:
They are good coaches. Moore does have a great track record for what he's done in his career, just doesn't have HC experience. Both can be true. I still don't think either of them would have been a better hire than Moore given all the circumstances. No different than what OSU did with Day, OU did with Riley and and ND did with Freeman.
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say two head coaches who have won multiple national titles as head coaches while also having multiple seasons of FBS success at schools with far fewer resources are better options.
 
ericd7633 said:
I mean sure, it was assumed he was going to leave, I could have told you that, but you can't make him the new HC until it's official. Harbaugh didn't have the have a great relationship with the AD. There was a lot of contention there. This coach in waiting scenario was never really plausible IMO.

I doubt Moore will win 13 games, one because the schedule is extremely difficult and two, a lot of this roster is leaving, unlike when Day took over at OSU. Michigan is a developmental program, when having to replace a lot, there is a rebuild. See the 2017 season. If he goes 9-3, I think that's a perfectly reasonable expectation, and will probably get them in the CFP.
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Only thing I disagree with is Day not having to replace a lot in 19 bc he absolutely did. Ohio State put 9 players into the draft that year.

Difference is the recruiting,.Ohio State had loaded recruiting classes waiting behind them and then Day hit a homerun with the Fields transfer.
 
Across The Field said:
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say two head coaches who have won multiple national titles as head coaches while also having multiple seasons of FBS success at schools with far fewer resources are better options.
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Okay, it's fine to disagree then. I think it was the right move. Would you be happy if Day left OSU and hired either one of those guys?
 
ericd7633 said:
I mean sure, it was assumed he was going to leave, I could have told you that, but you can't make him the new HC until it's official. Harbaugh didn't have the have a great relationship with the AD. There was a lot of contention there. This coach in waiting scenario was never really plausible IMO.

I doubt Moore will win 13 games, one because the schedule is extremely difficult and two, a lot of this roster is leaving, unlike when Day took over at OSU. Michigan is a developmental program, when having to replace a lot, there is a rebuild. See the 2017 season. If he goes 9-3, I think that's a perfectly reasonable expectation, and will probably get them in the CFP.
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You're basically highlighting the reasons why this transition isn't comparable to Day's transition to HC, as I've been saying.
 
ericd7633 said:
Okay, it's fine to disagree then. I think it was the right move. Would you be happy if Day left OSU and hired either one of those guys?
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If Day's situation in 2019 was like Moore's right now (didn't have time to prepare, lost multiple extremely important coaches, lost the majority of their key players from a title team), I would've been thrilled to hire one of these guys and would've preferred it over Day.
 
fishinabarrel said:
Only thing I disagree with is Day not having to replace a lot in 19 bc he absolutely did. Ohio State put 9 players into the draft that year.

Difference is the recruiting,.Ohio State had loaded recruiting classes waiting behind them and then Day hit a homerun with the Fields transfer.
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Yeah, OSU always loses a bunch to the draft. But he had a ton of studs return like JK, Olave, Okudah, Young, Arnette, Fuller, the other WR's etc. Bringing in Fields was obviously huge. Michigan returns Johnson, Graham, and some other pieces, but not the star power Day had to work with. Day still did a great job. That OSU team was insane. Even though they didn't win the title I think it was the best OSU team I've seen.
 
Across The Field said:
You're basically highlighting the reasons why this transition isn't comparable to Day's transition to HC, as I've been saying.
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The transition was different, but the outcome is the same. Had Michigan not played for a title, and Harbaugh left a couple days after a NY6 bowl game, it's the same thing. IMO, Moore was always going to be the guy, it's why they hired him like a day after Harbaugh left. So while not an official coach in waiting, were Harbaugh to leave, the replacement is right there.
 
How good is Kenneth Grant? He started following Sark on social media and some other UT media accounts..

he also posted this..guess he wasn't happy with the S&C leaving??

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Across The Field said:
I've never tried assigning blame to either of them. My point was Moore's situation isn't similar to Day's in this regard. Day knew well ahead of time what was going to happen and he was able to plan accordingly.
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Michigan has 18 four stars in the incoming class. We certainly could have used more top end talent in jt but I think that’s an NIL product and not a head coaching issue. I think if you hire from outside, the roster gets gutted by the transfer portal.
 
Across The Field said:
If Day's situation in 2019 was like Moore's right now (didn't have time to prepare, lost multiple extremely important coaches, lost the majority of their key players from a title team), I would've been thrilled to hire one of these guys and would've preferred it over Day.
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It's not Moore's fault he was hired almost 2 months after Day was. I'm also not going to blame him because guys on the staff have options to further their career. It's also not Moore's fault they are losing a bunch of key contributors. You could argue they would have lost a bunch more if they brought someone in from the outside.
 
ericd7633 said:
Yeah, OSU always loses a bunch to the draft. But he had a ton of studs return like JK, Olave, Okudah, Young, Arnette, Fuller, the other WR's etc. Bringing in Fields was obviously huge. Michigan returns Johnson, Graham, and some other pieces, but not the star power Day had to work with. Day still did a great job. That OSU team was insane. Even though they didn't win the title I think it was the best OSU team I've seen.
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Yeah the 19 team was loaded Got absolutely jobbed against Clemson but probably wouldnt have been able to beat LSU.
 
ericd7633 said:
The transition was different, but the outcome is the same. Had Michigan not played for a title, and Harbaugh left a couple days after a NY6 bowl game, it's the same thing. IMO, Moore was always going to be the guy, it's why they hired him like a day after Harbaugh left. So while not an official coach in waiting, were Harbaugh to leave, the replacement is right there.
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The outcome isn't the same at all, at least not yet. Your scenario would be the same thing if Moore knew in early December that he was going to take over as HC so he could have time to assemble his staff, like Day did. That's my point.
ericd7633 said:
It's not Moore's fault he was hired almost 2 months after Day was. I'm also not going to blame him because guys on the staff have options to further their career. It's also not Moore's fault they are losing a bunch of key contributors. You could argue they would have lost a bunch more if they brought someone in from the outside.
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Again, I'm not assigning blame anywhere, I'm not sure why you keep coming back to that. Day also had to bring in a few guys for his staff, but he had weeks to do so which is why his transition was smooth. With Harbaugh taking arguably michigan's two most important coaches with him to the Chargers, that's going to hurt.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Michigan has 18 four stars in the incoming class. We certainly could have used more top end talent in jt but I think that’s an NIL product and not a head coaching issue. I think if you hire from outside, the roster gets gutted by the transfer portal.
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That's fair, and you're not wrong, but I'm also sure whoever would've come to michigan would've also brought a good amount of his kids. This is why Moore's OC/DC hires have to hit right away. I'm sure the expectations are tempered a bit for next year, but if his coordinators flop, you could see an exodus of a lot of those incoming 4* recruits.

Also, not sure how much of it is accurate, but that blog post from Thievery has to be concerning.
 
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