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WhosYourDawggy said:
When you have been running an enterprise that has been and is going to be found to be illegal, you have to make tough choices. The one choice that won't be tough is that they will have to start paying the players. Period. Full stop. Crying poor won't cut it with the courts. The players are going to get paid directly by the schools. Once you realize that, you have to apply all the public accounting information you have developed over the years and decide where to cut in order to pay the players. Remember, "we can't afford to pay them" won't work.

I am fully aware that major renovations are normally paid for by donations. That's normally not in the annual budgets.

Here is UGA for 2022:

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When UGA has to pay their players, that will become part of the expenses. If you can't see that paying coaches, support, and admin 44% of your expenses, while paying players nothing, I am not sure what to tell you. There is $77 million per year they can start getting rid of. Facilities and Equpment, Game Expenses and Travel, and Recruiting is another pile of money - $56 million. That's a total of $133 million ... UGA can find room in their to pay the players.

No one said this would be easy. It's kind of hard to put the salary genie back in the bottle, but tough shit. We all have to make tough bsuiness decisions all the time. Maybe don't run an illegal enterprise next time.

I get there are other programs that don't have this amount of money to do this ... they will have to go to a division where they don't pay the players, or don't pay as much. "Oh, but that sucks." Sure, tell that to the players.

All data from College Athletics Database

Here is Ball State, as a G5 example:

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And Iowa State that quickly came to mind for B12 team:

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I agree and have been saying longer than anyone that we were going to have to make them employees and put them under contract. The logistics are going to be tough and programs like ours will figure it out but get to the G5 and they may not be able to.

The health of the sport depends on getting this right.
 
Wild Turkey said:
I agree and have been saying longer than anyone that we were going to have to make them employees and put them under contract. The logistics are going to be tough and programs like ours will figure it out but get to the G5 and they may not be able to.

The health of the sport depends on getting this right.
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I can see this being a really good thing. Teams like Ball State and MTSU don't have a chance to win a NC. Not even close. Going to CFP-12 doesn't change that.

What this might do is force those teams that can't come up with the money that will be needed to compete to finally realize this, and break off into a Division that runs more amateur, or at a reduced pay scale. They should have their own CFP which would be lot of fun to watch.

The NCAA has already put to a proposal that allows certain programs to setup payment in a way that will separate them from the ones below them.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
I can see this being a really good thing. Teams like Ball State and MTSU don't have a chance to win a NC. Not even close. Going to CFP-12 doesn't change that.

What this might do is force those teams that can't come up with the money that will be needed to compete to finally realize this, and break off into a Division that runs more amateur, or at a reduced pay scale. They should have their own CFP which would be lot of fun to watch.

The NCAA has already put to a proposal that allows certain programs to setup payment in a way that will separate them from the ones below them.
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I don't think it is only the G5s that won't be able to keep up. There are several others that are only hanging on by a thread with P5 revenue. I think there are only about 30-40 that can "make it". But, that is just my view of things.
 
Across The Field said:
I do not have that percentage at the moment. The minimum is a free degree, free housing, free food, free swag, etc. which to my knowledge the majority of varsity athletes have (aside from walk-ons).
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not even close.
 
Deep Creek said:
I don't think it is only the G5s that won't be able to keep up. There are several others that are only hanging on by a thread with P5 revenue. I think there are only about 30-40 that can "make it". But, that is just my view of things.
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It will be interesting to see what some of the low end P5's do. Or what they can do.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
That's not getting around it. That's adjusting the legality and taking the steps they have to take.

Here we go again. I am not "spouting" anything. You are just being obtuse because you don't like where this is heading. If the Supreme Court says that colleges are in violation of anti-trust laws by not paying the players, and they have to pay the players, that's as real as it gets. You keep confusing "reality" with tough decisions that will have to be made.

Seriously, have you every owned or run a business and had to make budget decisions? It certainly doesn't sound like it. Tough decisions have to be made to comply with the law. You do what you have to do, and the schools will do exactly that.

The Ball States and the MTSU's won't be able to compete with the big schools, so they will form a system that can survive by paying players less, or playing for free under different rules - like the Ivy's do. Or, they will eliminate teams.
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We aren't really in disagreement here. My whole point is large schools can do this but the overwhelming majority of schools cannot.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
It will be interesting to see what some of the low end P5's do. Or what they can do.
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I think the low end P5s in the B1G and SEC will be able to survive because of their cut of conference media revenue. But I still don't see them thriving to the level of the top end conference members because of the disparity in the other revenues.

Just in stadium size alone, tOSU and Michigan will make more at home games in ticket sales/concessions than Indiana and Purdue will by a long shot. When we talk about alumni, the larger your alumni base the larger the donor amounts obviously. Even if some of the smaller alumni schools have a Knight or Pickens type, there is still a gap to overcome. But that's the way it has always been. They'll have a few magical situations that pop up on occasion, but those will probably be rare.
 
this talk of CBA and cap is dumb.. so you telling me if state farm comes in and wants to do a deal with Arch, they can only pay him so much otherwise he will go over the cap??
 
Across The Field said:
We aren't really in disagreement here. My whole point is large schools can do this but the overwhelming majority of schools cannot.
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We agree, and the devil is in the detail. There will be well define levels - P and G type things - but it will be based on what a school can afford.
 
Thiefery said:
this talk of CBA and cap is dumb.. so you telling me if state farm comes in and wants to do a deal with Arch, they can only pay him so much otherwise he will go over the cap??
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Neither is dumb ... you are dumb. :beer2:

True NIL, like State Farm, can never be capped. But, it will have to be related to true commercial value and activity, not the fake pay to play because the players will actually be paid to play by the schools.

CBA is required. You can't make rules for the labor without their input. That's what the whole anti-trust litigation is about. It's how you can control transfers, pay for play, etc.

You have to have caps, even though you oil barrons don't want it. Every pro league has some sort of cap/tax, etc. This is for the pay from the schools, not the NIL from State Farm.
 
Deep Creek said:
I think the low end P5s in the B1G and SEC will be able to survive because of their cut of conference media revenue. But I still don't see them thriving to the level of the top end conference members because of the disparity in the other revenues.

Just in stadium size alone, tOSU and Michigan will make more at home games in ticket sales/concessions than Indiana and Purdue will by a long shot. When we talk about alumni, the larger your alumni base the larger the donor amounts obviously. Even if some of the smaller alumni schools have a Knight or Pickens type, there is still a gap to overcome. But that's the way it has always been. They'll have a few magical situations that pop up on occasion, but those will probably be rare.
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That's why you can drive some parity, but Vandy will never be able to compete with UGA. It's always been that way.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Neither is dumb ... you are dumb. :beer2:

True NIL, like State Farm, can never be capped. But, it will have to be related to true commercial value and activity, not the fake pay to play because the players will actually be paid to play by the schools.

CBA is required. You can't make rules for the labor without their input. That's what the whole anti-trust litigation is about. It's how you can control transfers, pay for play, etc.

You have to have caps, even though you oil barrons don't want it. Every pro league has some sort of cap/tax, etc. This is for the pay from the schools, not the NIL from State Farm.
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So basically, for it to be a true CBA.. players all get a portion of the media contracts.. Thus a salary cap is in effect and now the NCAA (lol) will have teeth and can govern? There is so much grey areas to work that we'll still have the same issues. Handlers can tell a recruit here this is what you are guaranteed, however u come here we can line u up a deal with state farm which will put u up 2M over your next best offer??

cba is dumb unless schools start paying players as employees which is something they DO NOT want to do. Let the collectives, BMDs and fans of schools contribute to it.. no cap is needed.
 
Thiefery said:
So basically, for it to be a true CBA.. players all get a portion of the media contracts.. Thus a salary cap is in effect and now the NCAA (lol) will have teeth and can govern? There is so much grey areas to work that we'll still have the same issues. Handlers can tell a recruit here this is what you are guaranteed, however u come here we can line u up a deal with state farm which will put u up 2M over your next best offer??

cba is dumb unless schools start paying players as employees which is something they DO NOT want to do. Let the collectives, BMDs and fans of schools contribute to it.. no cap is needed.
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Of course, the CBA involves the players becoming employees. Who else would a CBA be with?

And, yes, there is a grey area. Billion-dollar enterprises have a way of figuring these things out when their billions are at risk, and they are getting their asses handed to them in court. It's why the B1G and the SEC finally said, "Enough... fix it, or we will."

You seem caught up with the idea that no matter what happens, people will cheat. Far be it for me to say that cheating will go away. Obviously, cheating has been going on for a long time, and I am sure people will always try to get an edge. But, you seem to be convinced that no matter what happens we are fucked. That's a pretty shitty way to look at life. The problem today, and why it is wild west is because the states and courts have gotten involved because the NCAA dragged its feet insisting on it's amateur standing. Once that all gets cleared up, and the states and courts are for the most part out of it, the NCAA should be able to get back to enforcing their rules as they did in the past.

Who gives a fuck what the school WANT to do. They are no longer making the decisions. The states and the courts are. I mean that is clear as a bell.

Imagine this, a Texas fan wants the wild west, no limits on what can be contributed. No cap is needed says the fan of the richest fanbase in the country. I'm shocked.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
Imagine this, a Texas fan wants the wild west, no limits on what can be contributed. No cap is needed says the fan of the richest fanbase in the country. I'm shocked.
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lol not saying we are fucked.. just saying there's still ways that will separate the have and have nots..

And yes I want no cap.. UT had 2 compliance offices and presidents that always stressed academics and morals over sports.. For everyone thinking UT been paying players at the rate as other schools, it wasn't and never has.. Now where there players who benifitted being in Austin, especially for the ones that were performing well? Sure.. that's the $100 handshakes or a new vehicle and uncle got as a present for their nephew..

but they weren't even in the same arena from what Saban was doing at Bama when he arrived there. I love the current landscape because UT is finally flexing it's muscles.. I know tosu fans feel the same way now too.

UM is another school if they got their shit together would benefit greatly in this new landscape.
 
Kburjr said:
Remember when NIL was about allowing players to make money off their social media presence?

Keebler elf remembers.
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they do make money off appearances.. how do you think collectives work??
 
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