12 Team CFP Playoff

Collegefbfan said:
I told a coworker this the other day. I said the 12 team playoff hasn't even started yet, and the 14 team one is being discussed. I said the reason is some folks want another SEC and B1G team in the mix. Not that I am against, I couldn't believe that I was right. Well, so far...
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the big 2 don't like the G5 getting 20% of the current take.. they want to take that lol
 
Thiefery said:
this youtube show this morning talked about the new format and how the spots would be allocated in a 14 team playoff

SEC/BiG would each get 3 automatic spots
ACC/Big12 would get 2 automatic spots
G5 schools would get 1 automatic spot
3 at Large Spots would be left

**ND would get a spot if they hit a certain criteria.. leaving the G5 spot for the other G5 schools.. they would take one of the 3 at large spots

In the current 12 team playoff..the G5 schools get 20% of the pie.. in this new 14 team format it would get 6 or 7%

Also they brought up a point that the SEC might just keep the 8 conference games schedule in order to increase it's chances of getting a 4th at Large spot

this would be bad for UT since it means the annual game vs aggy won't happen :(
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Haven’t checked but had the 12 team been in place since the CFP started, the B1G and SEC would have had 3 teams qualify each year anyway. Maybe 4 some years.

I’m too lazy to check.
 
Deep Creek said:
Haven’t checked but had the 12 team been in place since the CFP started, the B1G and SEC would have had 3 teams qualify each year anyway. Maybe 4 some years.

I’m too lazy to check.
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yeah so one option is to keep the same structure but just adding 2 more at large teams.. however for the SEC/BiG to take more of the pie (percentages) the other model would work best..despite maybe not having as many teams as it would like in it.

when they were talking about this.. using last season.. the SEC would have had 3 (including UT) teams, and the BiG would have had 4 (Including Udub and Oregon) teams.. ACC would have sent FSU and (lol) Louisville, Big 12 would have sent okie st and AZ.. the G5 would have had it's spot taken by ND i think.. if not, Liberty?
 
which is to say there still would be complaining.. Mizzu, Ole Miss and LSU (with a good offense and heisman QB) being left out.. in favor of AZ, Louisville??
 
Thiefery said:
yeah so one option is to keep the same structure but just adding 2 more at large teams.. however for the SEC/BiG to take more of the pie (percentages) the other model would work best..despite maybe not having as many teams as it would like in it.

when they were talking about this.. using last season.. the SEC would have had 3 (including UT) teams, and the BiG would have had 4 (Including Udub and Oregon) teams.. ACC would have sent FSU and (lol) Louisville, Big 12 would have sent okie st and AZ.. the G5 would have had it's spot taken by ND i think.. if not, Liberty?
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no where does it indicate ND takes the G5 spot
 
Thiefery said:
which is to say there still would be complaining.. Mizzu, Ole Miss and LSU (with a good offense and heisman QB) being left out.. in favor of AZ, Louisville??
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I'd be ok with AZ, but to put louisville in over one of the three you listed, doesn't matter which one, I'd be abitching.

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Thiefery said:
. the G5 would have had it's spot taken by ND i think.. if not, Liberty?
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OlyDuck said:
no where does it indicate ND takes the G5 spot.
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It doesn't. ND would get one of the three at large. One G5 gets an auto. Which teams gets the other two at large spots is up for grabs. Nothing says it couldn't be another G5, and you know it won't be, but one G5 is in for sure.
 
Thiefery said:
when they were talking about this.. using last season.. the SEC would have had 3 (including UT) teams, and the BiG would have had 4 (Including Udub and Oregon) teams.. ACC would have sent FSU and (lol) Louisville, Big 12 would have sent okie st and AZ.. the G5 would have had it's spot taken by ND i think.. if not, Liberty?
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so in full it would have been
Big Ten 1 Michigan 2 Washington 7 Ohio Sate
SEC 3 Texas 4 Alabama 6 Georgia
ACC 5 FSU 15 Louisville
BIGXII 14 Arizona 20 OK state
G5 23 Liberty
and then at large 8 Oregon, 9 Missouri 10 Penn State

11 ole miss 12 Oklahoma 13 LSU get left out for 4 teams ranked behind them
total of 5 Big Ten and 4 SEC

too be fair to the Big XII though its hard to say where they would have finished and been ranked with the current conf roster vs what it was for the season.

also to be fair i dont buy that all the Big Ten and SEC teams would have finished as they did because thats another loss between opponents.
 
and if we did the same for 2022
SEC 1 UGA 5 Alabama 6 Tenn
Big 2 Mich 4 Ohio st 10 USC
ACC 7 Clemson 13 FSU
Big XII 3 TCU 8 Utah
G5 16 Tulane

at large 9 Kansas State 11 Penn State 12 Washington
Big 5
SEC 3
BIG XII 3
 
Thiefery said:
this youtube show this morning talked about the new format and how the spots would be allocated in a 14 team playoff

SEC/BiG would each get 3 automatic spots
ACC/Big12 would get 2 automatic spots
G5 schools would get 1 automatic spot
3 at Large Spots would be left

**ND would get a spot if they hit a certain criteria.. leaving the G5 spot for the other G5 schools.. they would take one of the 3 at large spots

In the current 12 team playoff..the G5 schools get 20% of the pie.. in this new 14 team format it would get 6 or 7%

Also they brought up a point that the SEC might just keep the 8 conference games schedule in order to increase it's chances of getting a 4th at Large spot

this would be bad for UT since it means the annual game vs aggy won't happen :(
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This seems so stupid for all sorts of reasons, but mainly:

1. The SEC and the B1G would get 3 in each year anyway, so they don't gain anything.
2. The ACC and B12 weren't always going to get 2 in each year, so they are gaining something they don't deserve.

So, the SEC/B1G doesn't get anything, and the ACC/B12 does. It makes no sense.

A couple of other things I don't like:

- The AQ inequity just doesn't feel right. I know it's a P2, then the other P schools, but this just rubs everyone's face in shit.
- Two byes don't make sense unless you are getting rid of conference championships. AND ... the CFP-4 got the top 2 seeds wrong, based on results, 33% of the time. So 33% of the time the teams getting the byes won't be the right teams. And, if they give the byes to the SEC and B1G champs, now they really are shoving people's faces in the shit, and that won't always be right.

Where I think the idea has some value is that it acknowledges that the SEC and the B1G undoubtedly play tougher teams. That's not arguable in my opinion. We already do that comparing the P to G schools, so why not acknowledge that with regard to the P2 and the P3/4?

This would actually seem to invite the SEC to play 9 IC games - after all, your top 3 get in. Then you must rely on the committee to know that a 4th SEC team with 3 losses is better than the no. 3 team with 2 losses. Thus far, the committee has rarely been willing to look past a number of losses. They need to do that if that is so.
 
WhosYourDawggy said:
This seems so stupid for all sorts of reasons, but mainly:

1. The SEC and the B1G would get 3 in each year anyway, so they don't gain anything.
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in theory. in 14 big Ten only would have had 2 top 14 and in 2015 SEC only had 2. not including the expansion teams.
 
Jon Deaux said:
It doesn't. ND would get one of the three at large. One G5 gets an auto. Which teams gets the other two at large spots is up for grabs. Nothing says it couldn't be another G5, and you know it won't be, but one G5 is in for sure.
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I’m probably in the minority here( and coming from a guy that has a G5 school’s logo for his avi) I don’t think a spot should be reserved for a G5 champion unless they are ranked in the top 12 anyway.

Splain to me Lucy why they get one.
 
Deep Creek said:
I’m probably in the minority here( and coming from a guy that has a G5 school’s logo for his avi) I don’t think a spot should be reserved for a G5 champion unless they are ranked in the top 12 anyway.

Splain to me Lucy why they get one.
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Because not every team plays every other team. In fact, in g5 cases, there’s not much overlap overall.
So guaranteeing one spot out of 12/14 to hedge against the pollsters being wrong is not much of an ask, it’s inclusive without being in any way detrimental to the task of finding THE BEST team in the nation.
You know… the obvious answer.
 
OlyDuck said:
in theory. in 14 big Ten only would have had 2 top 14 and in 2015 SEC only had 2. not including the expansion teams.
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Yeah, but you have to include expansion teams ... that is what is driving this. Adding TX and OU for the SEC, and then USC, UO, and UW for the B1G drives that up. Candidly, UT and OU > USC, UW, and UO unless moving them to the B1G makes them play better all of the sudden.

I think the rational is that with these better teams in the SEC, divisionless schedules and a 9 game schedules means we are going to have a champ with a loss, and multiple 2 loss teams. The SEC thinks that our 2 loss teams will be better than 1 loss teams in the ACC and the B12. That has to be the reason they are doing it.
 
ELTEXAN said:
Because not every team plays every other team. In fact, in g5 cases, there’s not much overlap overall.
So guaranteeing one spot out of 12/14 to hedge against the pollsters being wrong is not much of an ask, it’s inclusive without being in any way detrimental to the task of finding THE BEST team in the nation.
You know… the obvious answer.
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I agree with this thinking for why they went to 12 in general. I am not sure it makes as much sense for the G5 where the quality difference is so great, but with 12 slots I agree they had a throw away for that reason - we should think Cincy and UCF as two teams that might have had a legit shot.

Also, there is some anti-trust thought going on here. Until and unless the G5 decides they want their own playoff (which the P5 will have to be willing to pay for to get rid of them).
 
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