More Michigan Cheating

Across The Field said:
I know you so desperately want that to be true. The NCAA was investigating cheating. The FBI was investigating cybercrimes. Nowhere has it been stated that the Weis investigation didn't turn up evidence that was given to the NCAA. The statement you keep bringing up simply stated that the Weis investigation by the FBI wasn't related to cheating.
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Yep if the cyber crimes stuff is indeed true and does involve stolen practice footage or anything like that, this will be a completely separate NCAA investigation. dUMb fans of course can't recognize this.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
ESPN did. They summarized it for us.

You think they left out the part about Michigan hacking Ohio State?
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You said the 'FULL NOA'. ESPN got an incomplete draft.

Let's see a link to the 'FULL NOA' provided to Michigan last week.
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
Yes. It does. Because what we've found out since then is that teams give each other the information. Teams steal playbooks and trade those with each other. Teams have full access to all TV broadcasts, are required to record and share game film beyond that and do all sorts of thigns to get their hands on this information. Stallions simply did it with a shortcut.
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You left out....... "eVeRy TeAm iN-PeRsOn sCoUtS ThEiR fUtUrE OppOnEnTs uSiNg eLeCtRoNiC MeAnS"
 
Red_Alert said:
You said the 'FULL NOA'. ESPN got an incomplete draft.

Let's see a link to the 'FULL NOA' provided to Michigan last week.
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The hacking stuff wouldn't be in this NOA if it turns out to be true it will be a completely separate investigation. Dipshit can't get that into his brain
 
Across The Field said:
I know you so desperately want that to be true. The NCAA was investigating cheating. The FBI was investigating cybercrimes. Nowhere has it been stated that the Weis investigation didn't turn up evidence that was given to the NCAA. The statement you keep bringing up simply stated that the Weis investigation by the FBI wasn't related to cheating.
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It is in fact a cyber crime to get into someone's email. The University said this had to do with access to an internal account. This is simple stated.

The Michigan police department very clearly stated this didn't have anything to do with the sign stealing investigation. I think it would be a stretch to suggest hacking into OSU's practice film to steal their formations and signs ISN"T related to the investigation.

Your conspiracy was proven wrong last year, and yet...here you are.
 
fordman84 said:
But it is a rule, like jaywalking.
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I love how these "Michigan Men" have thoroughly exposed themselves as completely unethical jackoffs during all of this.

"We don't do shady things like Ohio State and the SEC!" has now morphed to "well the rules are stupid"

Lmao!
 
MAIZEandBLUE09 said:
It is in fact a cyber crime to get into someone's email. The University said this had to do with access to an internal account. This is simple stated.

The Michigan police department very clearly stated this didn't have anything to do with the sign stealing investigation. I think it would be a stretch to suggest hacking into OSU's practice film to steal their formations and signs ISN"T related to the investigation.

Your conspiracy was proven wrong last year, and yet...here you are.
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Well then you should easily be able to provide a link stating the Weis computers had nothing related to football that was given to the NCAA.

Also, again, why was Stallions removing servers last year? What could've been on them?
 
fordman84 said:
Formation, correct. But it is overhead view and doesn't give you anything from the sidelines. Gotta go in person to see that, or piece together whatever might air on TV on accident.

And no, it isn't possible to come up with all the same stuff. There will be dozens of plays you can't see the sidelines. You can ONLY get that from being there in person and ignoring the game while watching the sidelines.
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I'd think the individual doing the In-person scouting would have to pan from the sideline signal to the actual formation and play on the field to figure out what the sign meant.

I suppose one could sync the sign video to the actual tv broadcast using two computer screens and pausing between each play, but that would take a little more effort regarding timing.
 
Red_Alert said:
I believe the rule was written in 1994. It's likely there were teams that couldn't afford to In-person Scout Future Opponents using electronic means back then. Not by the dozens anyway.

The issue isn't how old the rules are. That's a distraction I've read many times.
The issue is that the rules are still on the books and were violated. The NCAA had to adjust their rules to allow in-helmet communications going forward based solely on Michigan's violations.

As I've already stated, I'd bet anyone that the rules against In-person Scouting of Future Opponents and using electronic means to do so stay on the books, even with the now permissible helmet communications.
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Probably horses have the rights over automobiles in many states. Maybe the NCAA needs to keep with the times. Please understand, this state is not meant to absolve Michigan against any wrong doing, just keep it violation appropriate. A team should never have to incriminate itself.
 
Voltaire said:
I kinda know that … I am an alumni … do you have a further point?
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Well, let's recap

fordman84 said:
Michigan, if you believe Stallions and certain posters here. Poor guy had to pay for it all himself.
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Voltaire said:
I don’t know … I know a lot of boosters and alumni do a lot of things with their own money. They keep bugging me for donations, but I am working class and paying for my granddaughter to go to college.
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fordman84 said:
boosters and alumni aren't lowly paid staffers.
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Clearer?

If not I'll break it down one further. I talked about one guy who supposedly paid for a rumored 5-6 dozen premium seat CFB tickets + airfare/travel costs + hotels. That one guy is an entry level staffer, meaning he ain't clearing six-figures. If you assume the only cost were the tickets, do you realize how much it costs to sit 50 yard line behind the team? Let's call it an average of $200, which is absurdly low but roll with me, for 60 games. You are telling me a lowly staffer who probably makes $30k a year is dishing out $12,000 for other people to attend games and come back with handwritten notes on signals and plays? No one is spending 8% of their gross budget (30k * 3 years this was supposedly going on) on this system.

So like I said, boosters and alumni aren't lowly paid staffers, meaning they make a bit more on average than $30k a year. This system had to cost in upwards of $10k a year, but UM fans sitting here buying into the bullshit notion that he paid for it all himself.
 
fordman84 said:
But it is a rule, like jaywalking.
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osubuckeye89 said:
I love how these "Michigan Men" have thoroughly exposed themselves as completely unethical jackoffs during all of this.

"We don't do shady things like Ohio State and the SEC!" has now morphed to "well the rules are stupid"

Lmao!
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I will say if I think a rule is outdated or stupid. Not to defend, Michigan, but because I think that. Jaywalking is a good example of a good rule that should be enforced based upon the circumstances.
 
Voltaire said:
Probably horses have the rights over automobiles in many states. Maybe the NCAA needs to keep with the times. Please understand, this state is not meant to absolve Michigan against any wrong doing, just keep it violation appropriate. A team should never have to incriminate itself.
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The NCAA has kept up with the times, but not by removing the rule against in person scouting but by removing the benefit. They have been forced to allow radio comms.
 
Voltaire said:
Probably horses have the rights over automobiles in many states. Maybe the NCAA needs to keep with the times. Please understand, this state is not meant to absolve Michigan against any wrong doing, just keep it violation appropriate. A team should never have to incriminate itself.
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Probably in EVERY state depending on the road. That would obviously exclude highways and interstates.
No different than pedestrians really, and a horse would typically be ridden by a human.

Not uncommon for someone to be on horseback in the small town by me during town celebrations, or even on my county road for that matter. LOL
 
Voltaire said:
I will say if I think a rule is outdated or stupid. Not to defend, Michigan, but because I think that. Jaywalking is a good example of a good rule that should be enforced based upon the circumstances.
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And I'll tell you what I told Maize...cool! Think whatever you want about it. It still exists and others manage to abide by it. When they don't, there are consequences.
 
Red_Alert said:
Probably in EVERY state depending on the road. That would obviously exclude highways and interstates.
No different than pedestrians really, and a horse would typically be ridden by a human.

Not uncommon for someone to be on horseback in the small town by me during town celebrations, or even on my county road for that matter. LOL
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In Texas horses have much more protection and right away over vehicles. If you hit a horse in Texas and the owner claims it got out on accident and they were actively searching for it, your ass is grass.
 
Across The Field said:
Well then you should easily be able to provide a link stating the Weis computers had nothing related to football that was given to the NCAA.

Also, again, why was Stallions removing servers last year? What could've been on them?
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Link to stallions removing servers?

And if Stallions was removing servers, you don't think that's simply to cover up his own game film that he "illegally" had taken for him?
 
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